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I find class based games to be garbage. One of my favorite aspects of Halo is the fact it isn't class based. I'm sure I am not the only person with this opinion. Why would Bungie abandoned certain parts of their fanbase?


Halo aint Halo because its a first preson,its Halo because of the story,plot,setting,and everything else except first-person.Halo Wars IS Halo because of that,so everyone stop complaining about Class based just not being Halo..


No not really. Halo wouldn't be played by many of its fans if it was not a FPS with the set up it currently has. Stop asking for more your'e going to -blam!- the series up.
Im not gonna -blam!- the series up.When Halo Wars came out,it didnt -blam!- the series up just because it was different,and if this game is class based,it wont either.WHY DO YOU THINK THERES GONNA BE A BETA SO SOON??To test a new style of multiplayer A.K.A. Class based or anything else..

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I find class based games to be garbage. One of my favorite aspects of Halo is the fact it isn't class based. I'm sure I am not the only person with this opinion. Why would Bungie abandoned certain parts of their fanbase?


Halo aint Halo because its a first preson,its Halo because of the story,plot,setting,and everything else except first-person.Halo Wars IS Halo because of that,so everyone stop complaining about Class based just not being Halo..


No not really. Halo wouldn't be played by many of its fans if it was not a FPS with the set up it currently has. Stop asking for more your'e going to -blam!- the series up.
Im not gonna -blam!- the series up.When Halo Wars came out,it didnt -blam!- the series up just because it was different,and if this game is class based,it wont either.WHY DO YOU THINK THERES GONNA BE A BETA SO SOON??To test a new style of multiplayer A.K.A. Class based or anything else..


Again, Halo Wars wasn't made by Bungie. For all I care Bungie outsources a Halo Kart Racing project to Ninteno(if that were actually possible). As long as Bungie keeps making their good games. They had a Beta for Halo 3 and that was more of the same so your logic is severely flawed.

[Edited on 08.03.2009 2:28 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2009 2:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
I find class based games to be garbage. One of my favorite aspects of Halo is the fact it isn't class based. I'm sure I am not the only person with this opinion. Why would Bungie abandoned certain parts of their fanbase?


Halo aint Halo because its a first preson,its Halo because of the story,plot,setting,and everything else except first-person.Halo Wars IS Halo because of that,so everyone stop complaining about Class based just not being Halo..


No not really. Halo wouldn't be played by many of its fans if it was not a FPS with the set up it currently has. Stop asking for more your'e going to -blam!- the series up.
Im not gonna -blam!- the series up.When Halo Wars came out,it didnt -blam!- the series up just because it was different,and if this game is class based,it wont either.WHY DO YOU THINK THERES GONNA BE A BETA SO SOON??To test a new style of multiplayer A.K.A. Class based or anything else..


Well in all honesty I like Halo Wars until M$ decided to take over and over kill all their prices. But I see Halo's Trilogy through all aspects of the game, even through the multiplayer. Now not a lot is known about Reach at this point but we know it's going to be called Halo: Reach.

The way Halo Wars didn't mess up the series was that it wasn't made by Bungie but by another game company, a game company that was going under none the less.

The multiplayer Reach Beta isn't coming out so soon, Reach has been worked on since Halo 3 was released, that's what two years it's been in productions. So really this isn't to soon.

Now I think Bungie may just continue making Reach with the way they have been making all Halo games without classes!

So stop with the arguing, since this game has been in production for two years already I doubt they will do this since this is a suggest that is just now coming up.

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
I find class based games to be garbage. One of my favorite aspects of Halo is the fact it isn't class based. I'm sure I am not the only person with this opinion. Why would Bungie abandoned certain parts of their fanbase?


Halo aint Halo because its a first preson,its Halo because of the story,plot,setting,and everything else except first-person.Halo Wars IS Halo because of that,so everyone stop complaining about Class based just not being Halo..


No not really. Halo wouldn't be played by many of its fans if it was not a FPS with the set up it currently has. Stop asking for more your'e going to -blam!- the series up.
Im not gonna -blam!- the series up.When Halo Wars came out,it didnt -blam!- the series up just because it was different,and if this game is class based,it wont either.WHY DO YOU THINK THERES GONNA BE A BETA SO SOON??To test a new style of multiplayer A.K.A. Class based or anything else..


Again, Halo Wars wasn't made by Bungie. For all I care Bungie outsources a Halo Kart Racing project to Ninteno(if that were actually possible). As long as Bungie keeps making their good games. They had a Beta for Halo 3 and that was more of the same so your logic is severely flawed.
My point is that Halo Wars didnt ruin the Halo series because its not a first person so seriously,class based could work...Just listen to that MLG Cheehwawa dude..he practically made the whole class based rumor..his class system works awesome.Besides,cant anyone here handle any change??

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Again, Halo Wars wasn't made by Bungie. For all I care Bungie outsources a Halo Kart Racing project to Ninteno(if that were actually possible). As long as Bungie keeps making their good games. They had a Beta for Halo 3 and that was more of the same so your logic is severely flawed.


My point is that Halo Wars didnt ruin the Halo series because its not a first person so seriously,class based could work...Just listen to that MLG Cheehwawa dude..he practically made the whole class based rumor..his class system works awesome.Besides,cant anyone here handle any change??


Did you even read my post? Halo Wars was fine because it wasn't made by Bungie.

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Again, Halo Wars wasn't made by Bungie. For all I care Bungie outsources a Halo Kart Racing project to Ninteno(if that were actually possible). As long as Bungie keeps making their good games. They had a Beta for Halo 3 and that was more of the same so your logic is severely flawed.


My point is that Halo Wars didnt ruin the Halo series because its not a first person so seriously,class based could work...Just listen to that MLG Cheehwawa dude..he practically made the whole class based rumor..his class system works awesome.Besides,cant anyone here handle any change??


Did you even read my post? Halo Wars was fine because it wasn't made by Bungie.
Tell me why you dont want Halo:Reach to be class based...because i know that if this game is class based...then bungie would really WOW people.I heard this is Bungie's last Halo game so they really need something new....

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I bet Bungie could have made Halo:Wars better....

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I bet Bungie could have made Halo:Wars better....


Probably but it wouldn't be as good as any of the previous three Halo games anyways.

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Need something new? Do you have any logic behind that statement?

  • 08.03.2009 3:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: NKS22
Classes give players unfair advantages. Keep it simple and fair.


What? Like you don't have that already in Halo 3? Picking up weapons around the map is like switching your class on the fly. Watch:

"Oh hey, I spawned with a BR! I guess I'm a rifleman now! Oooh look! A rocket launcher! Now I'm anti-tank!"

You see where I'm going with this?

Classes do not unbalance the game. There is no perfect balance to a game other than having everyone start with the same weapon and all have the same stats and play on a flat, open room and then not let them pick anything up or throw grenades.
And even then it still wouldn't be balanced because not everyone would be as good as each other.

Halo is based on a War (a fictional one, but a War nonetheless) and if there's one rule about war, it's that it is unfair. People will always have advantages, that's the point. You go out of your way for advantages. It's what you do. It's how you win. Giving the enemy the advantage is the quickest way to die.

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Getting back to the original point of this thread, I say that I'm just fine with Reach being a class-based shooter. It'll work great, and if you MLG punks don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Keep playing Halo 3 MP. Hell, keep playing Halo 2, I know alot of you still do.

When Halo Wars came out I know of alot of people that didn't get it because they hate RTS games, and look how well it did. I mean, it's not like it outsold Halo 3 but it did very well for itself, and what's more, it was a good freakin' game.

Halo 3's servers won't go down just because Reach came out. You can still play it. Relax. Enjoy. Go play some more Hardcore, 'cuz that's what you want to be.

  • 08.03.2009 4:25 AM PDT

i want halo to expand i just don't want it to fail front line fuel of war had lasses in its campaign and when you died you just chose a new kit and started again there was little character development but i like to see classes for multiplayer might stop team killing for sniper :D

  • 08.03.2009 5:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Equipment should be replace with pokeballs. You could customize which pokemon comes out and which moves it could use. Maybe even put an ACOG on your Pikachu. Don't say it isn't possible this is not the Halo trilogy anything can happen.


LOL I would choose charizard with a IR scope.

  • 08.03.2009 6:04 AM PDT

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Classes in a Halo game would wreck it. Completely.

  • 08.03.2009 7:51 AM PDT

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First, you know what I meant, and ODST is an expansion, not an entirely new game.
Second, you didn't acknowledge the point on how limited class systems are. Do you agree?


Well see I believe ODST has been described as expanding so much it's being considered essentially it's own game, with Halo 3's matchmaking. But yes I suppose it is still an expansion, but I figure it's enough to tide over most rabid Halo fans, at least until Reach. As for classes, I do agree they can be limited, but could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean. Also, out of curiosity, have you played BF1943? It only has three classes, but they balance remarkably well. It's one of the things that made me think a similar game with a Bungie/Halo twist would still be fresh and superior to other shooters of the same kind.

Well, to elaborate:

How much can you do with it? I mean, you can have any number of classes, and all you'd have is another combination of guns, health/shields, run/jump speed/height, and maybe equipment. It's not as if this hasn't ALL been done before, and that's about as far as you can really go with classes. It's limited, and really quite uninteresting.

  • 08.03.2009 8:23 AM PDT

If they did this their would be too many classes to choose from because their is so many guns, battlefield 1943 has like 6 guns thats why it works for that game....

you need a noob class for the ar
an annoying class for the needler
a tank class for the spartan laser
a eagle eye class for the sniper
a mlg super gaming pro ultimate hero cool kid class for the br
and a bunch more

  • 08.03.2009 8:33 AM PDT

Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Equipment should be replace with pokeballs. You could customize which pokemon comes out and which moves it could use. Maybe even put an ACOG on your Pikachu. Don't say it isn't possible this is not the Halo trilogy anything can happen.



Revolver says yes to pokemon!!!

  • 08.03.2009 8:36 AM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

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If it ain't broke, why fix it?
By that same logic, none of us should buy any of the new Halo games because the multiplayer is the same. If Halo 3's MP isn't broke, then why buy another Halo game with the same MP?


Exactly. Why even bother with the game at all if it is more of the same?


I couldn't agree more. Why even make a whole new game if it is basically going to be the same as what we already have?

Bungie is the greatest gaming studio out there...it would be a shame to waste their talent on a game that has already been made 3 times.

  • 08.03.2009 8:41 AM PDT

It can be limited, but often a simple approach is the best one. I mean it's not like the Halo games we have no are filled with infinite possibility. You spawn exactly the same as everyone else. Then you can go pick up a gun. Or you can pick up a gun with a different colour that does the exact same thing in a slightly different way.

BR/Carbine

SMG/Spiker

etc.

And that's not to say that's a bad thing. I love Halo 3. Again, if not much is changed in Reach, I'll be happy. I just think it's a good opportunity for a change of pace. Considering the Fall of Reach was a huge planet-sized battle, it would make sense to have a large-scale warfare game, in the vien of Battlefield. It's not gonna be very Reach-ish if once again we're jumping over and BRing other Spartans in the new Warehouse B level. Whoopee.

But as for the limitedness, I put my faith in Bungie. No one would have predicted "Oh, clearly the next logical step in this trilogy is to have devices that mess up my radar or let me jump up cliffs, but what do you know, we got those things. It's always a case of "well where can they possibly go from here" and I think if anyone can liven up the system and give it something fresh and unique that hasn't been thought of before, it's Bungie.

  • 08.03.2009 11:42 AM PDT

If you want classes, take a read:

My thread

MLG Cheehwawa's thread.

  • 08.03.2009 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: moosh 10x
If they did this their would be too many classes to choose from because their is so many guns, battlefield 1943 has like 6 guns thats why it works for that game....

you need a noob class for the ar
an annoying class for the needler
a tank class for the spartan laser
a eagle eye class for the sniper
a mlg super gaming pro ultimate hero cool kid class for the br
and a bunch more
Not necessarily. You could get it done with 5 classes. Just put weapons in sets (i.e. a close-midrange set, a sniping set, an anti-armor set, etc.) and have each class have two sets (switch between weapons with Y button like in Halo 1/2/3).

From left to right in the banner --

Support -- close-midrange, and an anti-armor
Recon -- submachine gun, and a sidearm
Soldier -- close-midrange and a medium range
Engineer -- close range, and an anti-armor
Sniper -- sniper, and a sidearm

Sniper = Sniper Rifle, Gauss Rifle // Beam Rifle
Medium Range = Battle Rifle // Carbine
Close-midrange = Assault Rifle, Heavy Machinegun // Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Needler
Anti-Armor = Grenade Launcher, Rocket Launcher, Spartan Laser // Brute Shot, Fuel Rod Cannon, Hunter Cannon
Submachine Gun = SMG, Silenced SMG // Spiker, Brute Plasma Rifle
Close Range = Shotgun, Flamethrower // Needler Shotgun, Plasma Caster, Energy Sword
Sidearm = Pistol, M6C/SOCOM silenced Pistol // Plasma Pistol

Spartans spawn with human weapons, Elites spawn with alien weapons. They all have defaults set by Bungie (i.e. Support spawns with a Heavy Machinegun and a Rocket launcher) but it could be changed in the main menu (like how you can change your preffered COG or spawn weapon in GOW2) as well as the respawn menu, and spawn with something else from the weapon set (i.e. change the HMG to an Assault Rifle)

[Edited on 08.03.2009 12:24 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2009 12:22 PM PDT

See I agree with you two on most of your ideas, although there are a few things we disagree on, but I appreciate the fact that they're all good ideas and at least we're on the same line of thinking here. :)

  • 08.03.2009 12:29 PM PDT

Halo is its own style. Halo is Halo, the genre the games are in is Halo. Halo's Halo and Battle field is not Halo. Battle Field is terrible and no game should be anything like that sick, nasty little excuse for a game. HALO FTW!!!

  • 08.03.2009 12:29 PM PDT

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Halo is its own style. Halo is Halo, the genre the games are in is Halo. Halo's Halo and Battle field is not Halo. Battle Field is terrible and no game should be anything like that sick, nasty little excuse for a game. HALO FTW!!!
WOW.

If adding classes would make Halo into Battlefield, NOT having classes has already mad Halo into Quake, Doom, and all other FPS games which came before it that Halo borrowed its gameplay style from.

  • 08.03.2009 12:36 PM PDT

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CLASS-BASED GAMEPLAY IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE SUPER GHAY!!

and your post dosent change my mind

  • 08.03.2009 1:46 PM PDT