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Posted by: ghostvirus
If you read the Spartan II page on Halowiki, theres a little snippet about inconsistencies.
Before Reach is attacked, Hasely states "about two Dozen" Spartan IIs, are attending the debriefing. But she notes, that all of the Spartan IIs exept for three else where (gray team) are at the debriefing. Additionally Halo Wars states, 25 out of 28 surviving Spartan IIs regroup at Reach. This is consistent with FoR.
However later in FoR, and in First Strike its states 30 Spartan IIs are fighting at Reach.
That means, there were more Spartan IIs fighting at Reach, then what should of been possible. 30 fought at Reach, three were else where. that brings us to a total of 33 Spartan IIs.
However it is stated, only 28 were alive.
33-28 = 5. There were five Spartan II that fought at Reach, that didn't attend the debriefing, that technically shouldn't exist. There are five Spartan IIs in that banner.
In the trailer, it appears Spartan 259, arrives after the battle of reach begins. Explosions are already going off on Reach. These Spartans, haven't been directly mentioned in Halo before. They are free agents. A completely clean sleet for the game. And I imagine most of what makes up the game, was never references in FoR or First Strike. I also imagine, this game might explain how Buck fought at Reach. But survived to later fight in the invasion of New Mombasa,
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There are two good explanations for these Spartans origin:
1. There was a second generation of Spartan IIs.
2. There were originally 33 Spartan IIs, that survived augmentation. But by FoR, there is supposebly only 28. Five were killed, or permentantly injured. Perhaps these were all cover ups. Perhaps they joined a sub-project within the Sp- II program? Theres a problem with that however. They didn't all occur at the same time. And were far apart from one another.
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I think the call signs made it obvious. There is a second batch of Spartan IIs, and five of them were at Reach. There were only 150 candidates selected for the original Spartan II program. Only 75 made the cut, and only 33 survived augmentation and became SP IIs.
All Spartan II call signs, before the Halo: Reach trailer fell below 150. Then the trailer comes out, and all of a sudden we have a call sign higher than 200, and another higher than 300? This is also the only way to make sense of armour permutations. The original Spartan IIs definetly never used them. So who did?
Beyond that. We have two works of Halo fiction, both considered non-canon, but neither definetly non-canon. That BOTH state, a second generation of Spartan IIs begin in 2537. With one telling us it happens just a couple months after Alpha company of the Sp IIIs gets wiped out. Perhaps ONI realized the value in having the Sp II, and SP III project run parallel with one another?
I think Bungie put a clue in Ghost of Onyx. Nicoles call sign is 45. We are told the Spartan II project was postponed because of a lack of funding, and because Hasely lacked the nessary amount of candidates.
Meanwhile the Spartan III project, was just in the planning stages. And Ackerson figured out a way to find candidates more efficently. Eventually, the funding intended for SP-II class II goes to SP IIIs.
In the first two companies of Sp IIs, there were potential canidates that weren't used. If you add the unused canidates from Alpha, and Beta company up, you get 465. 465-7 = 458. I think the second generation of SP IIs, capitalized on unused canididates from the first two companies of Sp IIs.
Wow, that's genius. I want to put it in the OP but I'm running out of space. Anyone know how to make a link to a specific post inside a thread?