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Subject: Blood Gultch CTF is for n00bs???
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After the article about MLG, I went over to their site and was checking out the forums over there, and from what I gathered is that l337's never play BG. And you will pretty much get flamed for talking about CTF on BG or Sidewinder with all vehichles.

I'm not a l337, but I am no n00b either. I like CTF with all vehichles, and I like tournament style rules too, basically, I just like Halo.

It is a matter of preference, but the way I look at it is, there is more strategy involved in a CTF game than Slayer, and there is more strategy involved when you have the vehichles. And since I like being a tactician, I like the added elements of the CTF game with lots of people. On the other hand, I also love FFA and TS matches on RR, Wiz, CO, HeH and the like.

The argument I hear against CTF BG is it comes down to a who sees who first, then you are dead, or there's no way you can get 3 caps in under an hour.

Does anyone play with Time Growth? The people I play with feel as though in CTF matches with lots of people you have to have time growth. It forces you to be a bit more cautious with your actions. We normally have 10 second respawn with 5 second growth.

What does everyone think?

  • 07.21.2004 11:39 AM PDT
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time growth is perfect that is the only way to make it fun

  • 07.21.2004 11:46 AM PDT
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i think ur damn right about ctf at BG and Sidewinder, i dont see why if you play there youre a n00b

  • 07.21.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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I hate blood gultch, all this talk about putting it back in HALO 2, Bah, make new maps, bigger, wider, better ones, The only thing good about Blood gultch is Red vs Blue. Sidewinder actually isnt that bad. Play CTF in hang em high, or another map.

  • 07.21.2004 12:13 PM PDT
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Blood Gulch is awesome. Why would it be for n00bs?

  • 07.21.2004 12:17 PM PDT

Posted by: oneshot187
After the article about MLG, I went over to their site and was checking out the forums over there, and from what I gathered is that l337's never play BG. And you will pretty much get flamed for talking about CTF on BG or Sidewinder with all vehichles.

I'm not a l337, but I am no n00b either. I like CTF with all vehichles, and I like tournament style rules too, basically, I just like Halo.

It is a matter of preference, but the way I look at it is, there is more strategy involved in a CTF game than Slayer, and there is more strategy involved when you have the vehichles. And since I like being a tactician, I like the added elements of the CTF game with lots of people. On the other hand, I also love FFA and TS matches on RR, Wiz, CO, HeH and the like.

The argument I hear against CTF BG is it comes down to a who sees who first, then you are dead, or there's no way you can get 3 caps in under an hour.

Does anyone play with Time Growth? The people I play with feel as though in CTF matches with lots of people you have to have time growth. It forces you to be a bit more cautious with your actions. We normally have 10 second respawn with 5 second growth.

What does everyone think?


I personally play BG with all vehicles just to have a good time every once in awhile. If people are too arrogant to play something fun just because some ass says it's just for "noobs", they are indeed very stupid.

My advice? Play what you like to. Not what someone tells you.

  • 07.21.2004 12:18 PM PDT
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1. Don't use the N word, the moderators don't like it.

2. Blood Gulch is awesome.

3. CTF is awesome.

4. CTF on Blood Gulch, therefore, is mega-awesome.

5. MLG can just get over their jealousy of CTFBG's mega-awesome-ness.

  • 07.21.2004 12:26 PM PDT
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CTF isn't much fun on BG or sidewinder the maps are too open there's not alot of cover and teleporters it's so easy to defend. In Halo 2 with destructable vehicles and bigger places with cover (Zanzibar is the same size as Blood Gultch!). That and 1 flag CTF is where it is at. Overall I didn't care for CTF on Halo but I expect that to change when Halo 2 comes out.

  • 07.21.2004 12:26 PM PDT
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Zanzibar will be pretty phat. We always play a variety of games. We even have our own custom games too, but we also play a lot of CTF. HeH CTF is awesome, so is prisoner. We also switch up the CTF settings alot. If its more than 4v4, we play time growth. We play a lot of attack/defend, which is single flag for 5 minutes (to prepare for Zanzibar) and I made a game called AllYourBase, which is basically Assault.

But in order to have vehichles at all, it must be on BG or Sidewinder. We don't always play all vehichles, but the more people you have, the more vehichles, the more chaos, which makes it fun for everyone.

Now, during our Halo Season, (yes, I set up 2v2 teams of all my friends), we normally play tournament rules, all the boards are small, and its a best of 5 series with all 5 game types. Yes, race is included. We found a way to make it tactical and fun, but it is a tie breaker game only for the 5th match.

But I also agree with the "play what you like" arguement, can't go against that. I just hope there will be good players on XBox live that want to play similar settings to BG CTF as well as everything else, which I am guessing I will be right!

  • 07.22.2004 4:28 AM PDT
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BG 2 hogs ctf best map for it anyone who thinks that its for nubs should look at themselves before saying anymore

  • 07.22.2004 4:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ops Agent 117
1. Don't use the N word, the moderators don't like it.

2. Blood Gulch is awesome.

3. CTF is awesome.

4. CTF on Blood Gulch, therefore, is mega-awesome.

5. MLG can just get over their jealousy of CTFBG's mega-awesome-ness.


double post.. yes i did, you guys can suck me

just wanted to say, that post you made was 1337ness

[Edited on 7/22/2004 4:35:28 AM]

  • 07.22.2004 4:33 AM PDT
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blood gulch and sidewinder are the BEST for ctf. hangem and damnnation are pretty good, too.

  • 07.22.2004 5:51 AM PDT

i used to watch a few of the "pro" halo gamers' message forums. this is why they say they don't like ctf bg: (plus what i say in parenthesis)

. vehicles are stupid. (vehicles are one of the defining attributes of halo. halo without vehicles is much like UT, so if ya don't like vehicles, don't play halo)
. the map is too big. (yes the map is too big... for one person to control. big maps make teamwork more important. if the map is designed small and open enough, one good shooter can basically lock down the other team, which shifts the focus to accuracy of shooting rather than strategy and makes the individual more important than the team)
. the map does not have a flat ground, so it's too hard to get my 3 shot kills. (i got an earful saying that with the curved hills instead of the angled ramps, pro's can't show their true accuracy. i say this is the worst excuse of all.)
. any team can just play defense and keep even the best teams from scoring. (no, they can't. the better team will be able to get the flag out eventually. and even if it takes a while, the team playing defense isn't gonna score on you unless they actually are better. just cuz something is hard doesn't mean it's for noobs.)
. the games take too long if the teams are close. (games can last a very long time, but i don't see why it's more fun to play 4 short games than one good long game. what are you gonna do once you finish playing the current game? you are gonna play another. why not just keep on playing without taking the break to make another game?)

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  • 07.22.2004 8:46 AM PDT
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i think you people dont understand how FREAKIGN AWESOME maps will be in Halo 2! I have read about unbelieveable maps from reliable sources (Offical Xbox Magizine)

  • 07.22.2004 8:55 AM PDT
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Mesh, thank you for telling people that vehicles are a part of Halo! In Halo 2 they will be an even BIGGER part! Anyone that doesn't liek the idea of vehicles being in Halo can go play Counter Strike! (which is a fun game, but not as fun as Halo)

  • 07.22.2004 8:58 AM PDT
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Don't say n00b

Who cares what the pros say, play Halo for the fun of it.

  • 07.22.2004 9:38 AM PDT
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[color=lime]CTF BG is fun, even with all vehicles 2v2. Whenever I start a CTF BG all vehicles the first thing I do is block the back door by moving the back end of tank against the back door. You cant get out from inside because you cant get in tank from that angle.

I then drive the warthog in the front so both sides are blocked. If someone gets my flag they have to take longer to get out of there, and I am on my ghost with rocket and sheild killing and grabbing flag.

good stuff.[/color]

  • 07.22.2004 9:55 AM PDT
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thats pretty cheap you might as well have two people sit with a tank on oppiste sides of the base once they get the flag and if the people you are playing are good enough they would throw the flag to their partner ontop of the base

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  • 07.22.2004 11:10 AM PDT
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well, a good ctf game, in my opinion, includes these rules:

all vehicles. if ur good enough, it wouldn't matter if they're in a vehicle.
single flag. you don't have to worry about who goes and who stays. this can make the game shorter, as well as more seige like.
about a 10 sec. respawn time, so killing an enemy won't result in them respawing right by your escape route.

i usually don't play single flag, but i prefer it.

  • 07.22.2004 11:21 AM PDT
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Meshmaster, I agree with you COMPLETELY!!!

CTF is the only gametype that being on a team is the only choice, that is because it is a team effort. I dont know how many times I have played with people less skilled than me and I pwned them on a small board, and then, with same teams on a larger board, it makes it more difficult to cap by yourself.

If the pro teams are really that good, they should be able to hold it down on any level, and gametype, and rules, any vehichles.

  • 07.22.2004 12:00 PM PDT
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I would take a CTF Hang em High instant respawn time to 5 captures over CTF BG and Sidewinder anyday. The instant respawn makes it so you have to have a partner with you and they have to be pretty good in order to kill a whole team long enough for the other guy to get out alive with the flag. It just makes non stop action. Non of that time when there isn't someone whos getting shot at because everyone respawning or going to the other side...nonstop lead pumping action is what i like.

  • 07.22.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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the MLG pros are only for Slayer DM that's just the way they like it with powerups and insane knowledge of the level.

  • 07.22.2004 1:18 PM PDT
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I don't see why some people don't like BG. You guys are just on the wrong game settings. Customize the Gtypes so you have CTF on Gulch with two hogs on each team, and only human weapons. Then limit it to 4 players, because the bigger a match gets the more spawn killing there is. There's also no other map I'd rather do stunts on. Jumping hogs off the red base cliff for airborne assaults is good for suprising the reds, and making quick escapes with the flag. Spend some time with ol' Gulchy and you'll come to like it.

  • 07.22.2004 1:37 PM PDT
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MLG is for good players, not just regular every day Halo players who get together once or twice a month for a nice LAN party, MLG member usually play Halo daily and master the game, all weapons, and each map. The reason good players hate BG and Sidewinder is simple, they are too large so there is very little skill to skill combat unless it's snipers cause it's always whoever sees the other person first. The most obvious reason for the dislike is simple, VEHICLES. Yes I am sorry guys but vehicles are for n00bs. They are easily taken out by any good player so good players don't use them... most great players don't like the larger maps, thus why very few actually enjoyed Halo PC cause it was crap with large vehicle based maps, a mistake I am sure Bungie won't make with Halo 2.

And for the person who said the good players should be able to own any level, any map, vehicles.. they CAN. That is why they don't use them, if you've ever watched the good players on maps like BG they use vehicles but ONLY for transportation, not to kill. And yes there driving skills are far beyond most anyone's. Also in elite 1v1 games the rocket launcher isn't even used cause of the easy kills, it's all about skill with elite players which is why BG and SW are frowned upon because vehicles are easy kills, much like the RL in 1v1.

The pros don't play these levels not because they might lose, they won't.. just because it takes out a lot of the skill.

Also even tho Halo 2 will contain more large maps the creators are putting in so many ways to counteract vehicles. Boarding a vehicle and knocking the enemy off, heat seaking rockets, destructible vehicles that completely fall apart, and last but not least, you can't take the flag into a vehicle with you. So great to hear because now all of the n00bs won't be using vehicles for everything... tho they are already easily defeated. Oh yeah to the guy saying don't say n00bs, I'll say n00bs all I want thank you very very much.

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  • 07.23.2004 12:18 AM PDT

CTF BG is annoying because it's all some people play. Seriously, I was playing various gametypes over XBC on Wednesday and people kept leaving the room when they saw the gametype. Some didn't even know how to play Oddball!
Yes I am sorry guys but vehicles are for n00bs.
The only people who think that are people who can't master vehicle tactics. And what are our rules on using "n00b"?

[Edited on 7/23/2004 1:35:22 AM]

  • 07.23.2004 1:33 AM PDT

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