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yes, i do know what your talking about and i completely understand the information you relayed...
Ok... on the day at the beach movie these are the known ODST's in the video...
Butkis, Private
Jones, Lance Corporal
O'Brien, Private: KIA - Killed in Pelican crash
Walpole, Private
Pete Stacker, Gunnery Sergeant
Unknown, Pelican Pilot: KIA - Killed in Pelican crash
Unknown, Pelican Co-Pilot: KIA - Killed in Pelican crash
that is the start... after the movie is finish it is believed that they (Butkis, Jones, Walpole, Pete Stacker) have regrouped with the the pelican because cortana states... "Find a hole, stay put. We'll come to you" So believably they returned to In Amber Clad and traveled onto Delta halo Or they where unlucky enough to be still in Mombasa when Truths ship jumped into slip space... If this is the case there is a very very slim chance that they would have survived. seeing how as the pelican would have more than likely been in the air and thrown around like a rage doll. Killed when they landed.
here are the video's...
Another Day at the Beach
Outskirts intro
The fact that the there where three pelicans. (that we know of) Two went down right in the beginning. one landing the cheif and one pelican had the ODST's...
So 3 - 2 = 1 pelican left... this carried Johnson and the other troops off... So if and this is a big if... Cortana supposedly reassigned the pelican to go pick up the other troops
Johnson and the ODST squad's where recalled onto In Amber Clad... Ordered by Commander Keyes... here is the exact situational dialog that was in the game...
Commander Keyes (O.S.): "Sergeant, I need you on that bird."
Sergeant Johnson (O.S.): "Ma'am?"
Commander Keyes (O.S.): "My Pelicans are going to start airlifting armor and reinforcements into the city. They'll need an escort that isn't afraid of a little hostile ground fire."
Sergeant Johnson (O.S.): "Understood. I'll keep an eye on 'em. Chief ... good luck.'
We know that Commander Keyes did not have the opportunities to send in another pelican to air lift troops into the city, as of yet.... seeing as Johnson and his pelican would have had to return to In Amber Clad to escort the pelicans down to earth...
Here ends the outskirt level...
Here starts the metropolis level....
Johnson returns from In Amber Clad with a tank stating that "I know what the ladies like"...
So we have our returning pelican. but this is just one... Assuming that ODST's where picked up the first time when the pelican left this means they are on In Amber Clad. If not we know that the ODST's where left behind and died on in the slip space rupture...
But lets role with the fact that they are living and currently eating a nice bowl of chili in In Amber Clad's Kitchen. They would have been transferred to Delta Halo and fought along side the chief there.
So... then we get back to your flashback scenario...
From what we know about these scenarios is we need a clue, some sort of object that would relate the story to the rookie and let us play on this select mission. So lets say we find by chance the pelican in Old Mombasa of the ODST's from the day at the beach... we would have to To travel from NEW Mombasa . Seeing as Halo 3: ODST only takes place in New Mombasa, this would pose a problem... But lets ignore that fact and say we go outside our boundary limits in the game and go to old Mombasa.
You would have to have a retooled video, a cinematic experiences the player would play... Now i don't know about you but i don't like playing a cinematic experience in a video game. But lets role with it and call it a button massing, press 'X' as fast as you can to remove your helmet..., it would not work. But after that the supposed mission would be what, stand still and wait for a pelican to arrive in 5-8 mins. that's not real entertaining to me. While it could portray a firefight moment in campaign, it may clash with what we already know of Another day at the Beach
Logically what relevance would this small firefight moment have on the rookie. Dare, Mickey, Romeo, Dutch, & Buck where all on there carrier just moments before the slip space rupture. they would have not come in contact with this ODST squad. In fact they where on a completely different ship. Assuming that the ADaB (Another Day at Beach) squad would have left before the slip space rupture they would have never even come in contact with our squad.
Now are you starting to see the real logic behind this. Im not trying to bash you and please do not get all offensive on me, but bungie would not put something like this in for the following reasons.
1) Timeline, canon issues
2) Placement of troops
3) In Amber Clad vs Unknown Carrier the ODST's where stationed on
4) Repetition of storyline
5) New Mombasa vs Old Mombasa issues
6) Unrealistic gameplay (very cinematic)
Im not saying that i would not want it all in all, i just don't logically see it happening.
In the future please know exactly what you are talking about before accusing someone of being an complete idiot. For example the USS Athena dose not even exist... Thank you.