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Subject: Do you think Halo CE is the best halo

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Posted by: General Heed
hmmm, i have to agree with you on the Zelda games. Ocarina of Time is the best. But that doesn't apply to the Halo Series for me. The new zelda games today are pretty much the same as the old ones except they have different bosses and missions. So not many new features were added to the new games and still no multiplayer. Now if Halo 3 was the exact same as Halo 1 in terms of features but slightly different in gameplay, then I probably would like Halo 1 better. Sometimes a games features can really make a huge difference.

Take Fable 2 for example. If you ask fans of Fable Series, the majority will probably say Fable 2 is better. Why? More features and yes a new story. But the new features are why Fable 2 beat Fable 1. Same goes for Gears of War 2. New features. Why can't the same apply for Halo 3? Halo 3 is all about new features.


Fable 1 was better. It had a better story and the gameplay wasn't as glitchy. And Gears of War 1 was better. The story was a bit daft but the game still retained the horror element. Especially when a Berserker busted through a wall and tried to turn you into hamburger. Also, the multiplayer in GoW2 sucks. I don't know how Epic screwed that one up.

And yes, I'm fans of both. And it's not about new features. If you think a game is better simply because you can carry a turret or there's a Spartan Lazer... I'm sorry, but you've missed the point. I love Fable 2. I'm currently playing it. I was playing it today. I still think the first was better.

When it comes to games, it should be about the experience. Not about which game has more features.

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its easily the greatest game EVERRRRR!

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Posted by: General Heed
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Alright, I didn't read what was said, so sorry if this is somethign already stated.

Halo CE is defnitely better than Halo 3 and is probably the best xbox game of all time. Halo CE proved that shooters can be successful on a console. It has opened the doors for so many other games to come, thoug they will NEVER be as great as Halo CE.

Halo 3 definitely has it's flaws, but it's still a good game, just not at all revolutionary. Sure it has online functionality but there's a TON of flaws in it, and we all know nothing beats a drunken Halo CE LAN. Nothing.

Well obviously there wouldn't be a 3 without a 1, but that's so true in the fact that Halo CE SINGLEHANDEDLY kept the Xbox relevenat, and allowed Bungie to continue to what they are today. They know as well as anyone, Halo is their gem, their source and their shield.


EDIT - Before you add the Goldeneye argument, I agree, it was great. But there hasn't been anything like it for a while.


Lol I was actually about to say that Goldeneye proved that an FPS would work on a console. In fact, most of the 007 games on the N64 were pretty good. Some of them even had vehicle combat which wouldn't be seen again until Halo 1. But yeah, I agree that Halo 1 was a revolutionary game on the xbox, but that doesn't automatically make it the best. Just because something is first doesn't always mean that any sequel that comes later will be terrible.

Oh and it's not Halo 1 that's Microsoft's gem. It's the Halo Series that's their gem, specifically the most recent game because that's the game that will make the most money,.


Uh... no. Halo 1 is their gem. Their diamond in the rough. Without Halo 1, there's a damn good chance the first Xbox would have failed. But as a company does, Bungie and Microsoft struck while the iron was hot and started work on sequels. It's just good business. They knew with a game that's popular enough to sell consoles, a sequel would be a great thing to have.

Nobody's trying to change your opinion about the series. That's the point of a forum, the guy's asking which you think is better. You say Halo 3... okay. But your argument as to why is bull-blam!-.

You say in the message that I quoted:

"But yeah, I agree that Halo 1 was a revolutionary game on the xbox, but that doesn't automatically make it the best."

Well, I know that Halo 3 has good online multiplayer, more weapons, more enemies, new maps, and has monkey men on Sierra 117. But that doesn't make it the best.

By your argument, just because it's new... it's the best.

Tell that to Zelda fans. You'll get the same answer. I'm willing to bet 9 out of 10 Zelda fans consider Ocarina of time to be the best Zelda game ever. Not Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.


hmmm, i have to agree with you on the Zelda games. Ocarina of Time is the best. But that doesn't apply to the Halo Series for me. The new zelda games today are pretty much the same as the old ones except they have different bosses and missions. So not many new features were added to the new games and still no multiplayer. Now if Halo 3 was the exact same as Halo 1 in terms of features but slightly different in gameplay, then I probably would like Halo 1 better. Sometimes a games features can really make a huge difference.

Take Fable 2 for example. If you ask fans of Fable Series, the majority will probably say Fable 2 is better. Why? More features and yes a new story. But the new features are why Fable 2 beat Fable 1. Same goes for Gears of War 2. New features. Why can't the same apply for Halo 3? Halo 3 is all about new features.

Gears of war 2 was the biggest letdown ever (for me anyways).
Halo CE campaign was the best out of the three it was new, it was fun, good plot and story.
And especially the flood was unlike anything else it made me poop my pants *sarcasm*.
It's still the best!

  • 09.03.2009 6:20 PM PDT

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No do to one thing only (in terms of gameplay yes) FORGE!!!

  • 09.05.2009 6:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: SuperDustin
Alright, I didn't read what was said, so sorry if this is somethign already stated.

Halo CE is defnitely better than Halo 3 and is probably the best xbox game of all time. Halo CE proved that shooters can be successful on a console. It has opened the doors for so many other games to come, thoug they will NEVER be as great as Halo CE.

Halo 3 definitely has it's flaws, but it's still a good game, just not at all revolutionary. Sure it has online functionality but there's a TON of flaws in it, and we all know nothing beats a drunken Halo CE LAN. Nothing.

Well obviously there wouldn't be a 3 without a 1, but that's so true in the fact that Halo CE SINGLEHANDEDLY kept the Xbox relevenat, and allowed Bungie to continue to what they are today. They know as well as anyone, Halo is their gem, their source and their shield.


EDIT - Before you add the Goldeneye argument, I agree, it was great. But there hasn't been anything like it for a while.


Lol I was actually about to say that Goldeneye proved that an FPS would work on a console. In fact, most of the 007 games on the N64 were pretty good. Some of them even had vehicle combat which wouldn't be seen again until Halo 1. But yeah, I agree that Halo 1 was a revolutionary game on the xbox, but that doesn't automatically make it the best. Just because something is first doesn't always mean that any sequel that comes later will be terrible.

Oh and it's not Halo 1 that's Microsoft's gem. It's the Halo Series that's their gem, specifically the most recent game because that's the game that will make the most money,.


Uh... no. Halo 1 is their gem. Their diamond in the rough. Without Halo 1, there's a damn good chance the first Xbox would have failed. But as a company does, Bungie and Microsoft struck while the iron was hot and started work on sequels. It's just good business. They knew with a game that's popular enough to sell consoles, a sequel would be a great thing to have.

Nobody's trying to change your opinion about the series. That's the point of a forum, the guy's asking which you think is better. You say Halo 3... okay. But your argument as to why is bull-blam!-.

You say in the message that I quoted:

"But yeah, I agree that Halo 1 was a revolutionary game on the xbox, but that doesn't automatically make it the best."

Well, I know that Halo 3 has good online multiplayer, more weapons, more enemies, new maps, and has monkey men on Sierra 117. But that doesn't make it the best.

By your argument, just because it's new... it's the best.

Tell that to Zelda fans. You'll get the same answer. I'm willing to bet 9 out of 10 Zelda fans consider Ocarina of time to be the best Zelda game ever. Not Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.


hmmm, i have to agree with you on the Zelda games. Ocarina of Time is the best. But that doesn't apply to the Halo Series for me. The new zelda games today are pretty much the same as the old ones except they have different bosses and missions. So not many new features were added to the new games and still no multiplayer. Now if Halo 3 was the exact same as Halo 1 in terms of features but slightly different in gameplay, then I probably would like Halo 1 better. Sometimes a games features can really make a huge difference.

Take Fable 2 for example. If you ask fans of Fable Series, the majority will probably say Fable 2 is better. Why? More features and yes a new story. But the new features are why Fable 2 beat Fable 1. Same goes for Gears of War 2. New features. Why can't the same apply for Halo 3? Halo 3 is all about new features.

Gears of war 2 was the biggest letdown ever (for me anyways).
Halo CE campaign was the best out of the three it was new, it was fun, good plot and story.
And especially the flood was unlike anything else it made me poop my pants *sarcasm*.
It's still the best!


Halo 1 was a good game 8 years ago. But it's graphics make the game feel like a child's cartoon compared to the newer graphics of Halo 3: ODST. Halo 1 just doesn't look realistic anymore and the graphics and scenery just aren't stunning and state of the art anymore.

Plus, the gameplay of Halo 1 is severely limited compared to Halo 3. The weapons were unbalanced as well. The pistol kills in 4 shots. Even if you have overshields, it still kills you in 4 shots. And the Halo 1 game engine is so outdated it can't tell the difference between something moving fast and something moving slow. Which explains why the slightest bump from a warthog will instantly kill you even if you have overshields. I always hated that.

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blarg.

Sigh, another one of these threads.
Anyway, in my opinion, they are all equally the same, as both have advantages and disadvantages.
Halo CE=Kickass pistol
Halo 2=Improved speed, dual weilding, vehicle boosts and LIVE
Halo 3=Forge, a replacement of the aging blood gulch,and yes, RECONZ.

They all have many more features, but I can't be bothered typing them all here.

Please stop posting these threads. Yes, you love Halo CE and you want to show your support for it, but post a thread with a half decent topic, please?

  • 09.24.2009 4:09 AM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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I don't think CE is the best Halo game. I KNOW it's the best Halo game.

  • 09.25.2009 8:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: thewhorocker15
I don't think CE is the best Halo game. I KNOW it's the best Halo game.


No one here in this thread has yet to provide a valid argument as to why Halo 1 is the better than all the later Halo's. Everyone of their arguments is extremely biased and heavily opinionated. It's really sad what has become of the Halo 1 forum. I remember back when people made posts that actually had a valid purpose. But now look, all that's left in the Halo 1 forums is just people posting about how Halo 1 is the best or how Bungie should do a remake of Halo 1.

Seriously why all these posts? Before Halo 2 came out, no one ever made those posts. Is it because you guys don't have any other games besides Halo 1? So because you don't have the game, you feel the need to post why Halo 1 is the best just because everyone else has the new Halo games but you don't. Is that why?

Like I said before, the Halo 2 forums are still holding up a bit. There aren't that many Halo 2 vs. Halo 3 posts yet. But it's starting to get their now that Halo 3: ODST came out and now that their are rumors of Microsoft trying to shutdown Xbox Live for Halo 2.

I can only imagine what the Halo 3 forums will become like when Halo: Reach comes out.

  • 09.25.2009 9:29 PM PDT

I like Halo 2 the best.

  • 09.25.2009 10:18 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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I don't think CE is the best Halo game. I KNOW it's the best Halo game.


No one here in this thread has yet to provide a valid argument as to why Halo 1 is the better than all the later Halo's. Everyone of their arguments is extremely biased and heavily opinionated. It's really sad what has become of the Halo 1 forum. I remember back when people made posts that actually had a valid purpose. But now look, all that's left in the Halo 1 forums is just people posting about how Halo 1 is the best or how Bungie should do a remake of Halo 1.

Seriously why all these posts? Before Halo 2 came out, no one ever made those posts. Is it because you guys don't have any other games besides Halo 1? So because you don't have the game, you feel the need to post why Halo 1 is the best just because everyone else has the new Halo games but you don't. Is that why?

Like I said before, the Halo 2 forums are still holding up a bit. There aren't that many Halo 2 vs. Halo 3 posts yet. But it's starting to get their now that Halo 3: ODST came out and now that their are rumors of Microsoft trying to shutdown Xbox Live for Halo 2.

I can only imagine what the Halo 3 forums will become like when Halo: Reach comes out.


I've had this debate many times before, and I don't feel like typing everything out. So, I'm going to copy/paste a post I made on a thread here asking Which Halo is Better?

CE by far. Im not too big on single player modes, but I will say that CE's campaign was much better than Halo 2's and Halo 3's because it was less repetitive than the other games in the trilogy.

Now, multiplayer is what makes a game playable after you beat campaign. And Halo 1 destroyed Halo 2 and 3 gameplay wise. This is mainly because the game was crisp and had great weapon balance.

People who trash on the pistol must have never played an actual game of Halo 1. The weapon was not overpowered, it was the perfect starting weapon. Every weapon played a certian role in Halo 1's sandbox, and they played it well. The pistol could be beaten by a shotgun, an assasult rifle and a rocket launcher at close range. At long range, the sniper could easily take it out. The maps in Halo 1 were great too. I don't fully understand why ditching the room-base map design was a good idea, but that's bungie for you. Not to mention the Halo 1 was the best game for casual players. The way everything worked in Halo 1 was perfect.

In Halo 2, the BR replaced the pistol. This was a bad idea because the BR was a burst fire hitscan weapon. This made it much easier to get kills in the game. And with aim assist and hitboxes beefed up so much, this only further contributed to the game being more noob friendly. Melee lunges were also introduced to the game, which was a fail because this too made the game appeal more to people with less skill at the game. The rocket launcher now shot at an incredibly slow rate, which slowed down the pace of the game. Invisible health bars were also added to the game, further slowing down the pace of the game. And the shotgun was now called the lottery cannon because it was so inconsistent. I guess the biggest problem with Halo 2 was the skill gap was much lower than Halo 1's. Even with all this crap though, Halo 2 was a masterpeice compared to Halo 3.

To start, the control pysics of Halo 3 are pretty bad. The game really lost it's crisp feeling it had in Halo CE. You also ran extremely slow, which slowed down the pace of the game. To add on to this, every weapon is inconsistent. This is very bad, I really don't see why bungie thought this was a good idea. I can't tell you how many times i've shot someone in the face with a sniper rifle, see blood come from his head, and he takes no damage. The BR being downgraded further was a bad idea too. There was no longer an effective all-purpose weapon to use, so getting destroyed by noobs with a rocket launcher and shotgun starting occuring more often. Im not saying that picking up a power weapon shouldn't give an easy kill, but I am saying not having a weapon that you can at least defend yourself with against a power weapon creates a huge balance issue. The inconsistency of weapons turned the game much more into luck than skill, which is a bad thing. The skill gap in Halo 3 is extremely small compared to Halo 1 and Halo 2. Further more, melees in Halo 3 are terrible. Having two enemies get killed in a melee fight when one bashes first is really bad. Also, the maps in Halo 3 are huge. Yes, we now have a few that are smaller thanks to DLC, but the majority of the maps in Halo 3 are way too big and only appeal to the casual player. Another problem with Halo 3 are power ups. Instead of being small cubes and pyramids, they are huge spheres that can't be shot through. And objectives being a one-hit beatdown are awful. It's like the oddball and flag are power weapons now. But possibly the biggest mistake in Halo 3 was equipment. This really turns the game into a camp fest when you have big bubbles that shield you from everything. Or shield regenerators that keep you alive unless shot in the head with an inconsistent sniper rifle, or a well placed, slow moving rocket. I really don't understand Bungie's logic with all this crap, but hopefully Reach will fix at least some of it. While having forge, theater and more customization options is a step foward in the series, it doesn't compensate for bad gameplay. Which leads me to my next point...

Halo 3 has so many customization options, why couldn't they have a few that lets players alter the control physics of the game so we can have that crisp feeling that Halo CE gave us? Why couldn't we have an option that turns off dual weilding? Why couldn't there be an option through forge that lets us alter indivudial weapon traits (damage, range, consistency, etc...). It would have been no trouble at all espically since these would be custom game options and would not have to be in matchmaking. This is something that Bungie needs to do for Reach. Bungie always says they can't please everyone that plays Halo. But if they give every type of player options through forge and custom games, they can! I hope Bungie reads this, and takes it more as criticism other than an insult.

  • 09.27.2009 1:12 AM PDT

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50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.

Halo 1(easily the best in the series)> Halo 2 (awesome, though, people like horrormaster34 or DuSK like to hate on it)>ODST (wish it had matchmaking, but campagin is good)>>>>>>>>Halo 3 (overrated)

  • 09.27.2009 4:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: thewhorocker15
I don't think CE is the best Halo game. I KNOW it's the best Halo game.


No one here in this thread has yet to provide a valid argument as to why Halo 1 is the better than all the later Halo's. Everyone of their arguments is extremely biased and heavily opinionated. It's really sad what has become of the Halo 1 forum. I remember back when people made posts that actually had a valid purpose. But now look, all that's left in the Halo 1 forums is just people posting about how Halo 1 is the best or how Bungie should do a remake of Halo 1.

Seriously why all these posts? Before Halo 2 came out, no one ever made those posts. Is it because you guys don't have any other games besides Halo 1? So because you don't have the game, you feel the need to post why Halo 1 is the best just because everyone else has the new Halo games but you don't. Is that why?

Like I said before, the Halo 2 forums are still holding up a bit. There aren't that many Halo 2 vs. Halo 3 posts yet. But it's starting to get their now that Halo 3: ODST came out and now that their are rumors of Microsoft trying to shutdown Xbox Live for Halo 2.

I can only imagine what the Halo 3 forums will become like when Halo: Reach comes out.


I've had this debate many times before, and I don't feel like typing everything out. So, I'm going to copy/paste a post I made on a thread here asking Which Halo is Better?

CE by far. Im not too big on single player modes, but I will say that CE's campaign was much better than Halo 2's and Halo 3's because it was less repetitive than the other games in the trilogy.

Now, multiplayer is what makes a game playable after you beat campaign. And Halo 1 destroyed Halo 2 and 3 gameplay wise. This is mainly because the game was crisp and had great weapon balance.

People who trash on the pistol must have never played an actual game of Halo 1. The weapon was not overpowered, it was the perfect starting weapon. Every weapon played a certian role in Halo 1's sandbox, and they played it well. The pistol could be beaten by a shotgun, an assasult rifle and a rocket launcher at close range. At long range, the sniper could easily take it out. The maps in Halo 1 were great too. I don't fully understand why ditching the room-base map design was a good idea, but that's bungie for you. Not to mention the Halo 1 was the best game for casual players. The way everything worked in Halo 1 was perfect.

In Halo 2, the BR replaced the pistol. This was a bad idea because the BR was a burst fire hitscan weapon. This made it much easier to get kills in the game. And with aim assist and hitboxes beefed up so much, this only further contributed to the game being more noob friendly. Melee lunges were also introduced to the game, which was a fail because this too made the game appeal more to people with less skill at the game. The rocket launcher now shot at an incredibly slow rate, which slowed down the pace of the game. Invisible health bars were also added to the game, further slowing down the pace of the game. And the shotgun was now called the lottery cannon because it was so inconsistent. I guess the biggest problem with Halo 2 was the skill gap was much lower than Halo 1's. Even with all this crap though, Halo 2 was a masterpeice compared to Halo 3.

To start, the control pysics of Halo 3 are pretty bad. The game really lost it's crisp feeling it had in Halo CE. You also ran extremely slow, which slowed down the pace of the game. To add on to this, every weapon is inconsistent. This is very bad, I really don't see why bungie thought this was a good idea. I can't tell you how many times i've shot someone in the face with a sniper rifle, see blood come from his head, and he takes no damage. The BR being downgraded further was a bad idea too. There was no longer an effective all-purpose weapon to use, so getting destroyed by noobs with a rocket launcher and shotgun starting occuring more often. Im not saying that picking up a power weapon shouldn't give an easy kill, but I am saying not having a weapon that you can at least defend yourself with against a power weapon creates a huge balance issue. The inconsistency of weapons turned the game much more into luck than skill, which is a bad thing. The skill gap in Halo 3 is extremely small compared to Halo 1 and Halo 2. Further more, melees in Halo 3 are terrible. Having two enemies get killed in a melee fight when one bashes first is really bad. Also, the maps in Halo 3 are huge. Yes, we now have a few that are smaller thanks to DLC, but the majority of the maps in Halo 3 are way too big and only appeal to the casual player. Another problem with Halo 3 are power ups. Instead of being small cubes and pyramids, they are huge spheres that can't be shot through. And objectives being a one-hit beatdown are awful. It's like the oddball and flag are power weapons now. But possibly the biggest mistake in Halo 3 was equipment. This really turns the game into a camp fest when you have big bubbles that shield you from everything. Or shield regenerators that keep you alive unless shot in the head with an inconsistent sniper rifle, or a well placed, slow moving rocket. I really don't understand Bungie's logic with all this crap, but hopefully Reach will fix at least some of it. While having forge, theater and more customization options is a step foward in the series, it doesn't compensate for bad gameplay. Which leads me to my next point...

Halo 3 has so many customization options, why couldn't they have a few that lets players alter the control physics of the game so we can have that crisp feeling that Halo CE gave us? Why couldn't we have an option that turns off dual weilding? Why couldn't there be an option through forge that lets us alter indivudial weapon traits (damage, range, consistency, etc...). It would have been no trouble at all espically since these would be custom game options and would not have to be in matchmaking. This is something that Bungie needs to do for Reach. Bungie always says they can't please everyone that plays Halo. But if they give every type of player options through forge and custom games, they can! I hope Bungie reads this, and takes it more as criticism other than an insult.


The weapons in Halo 1 are definitely not balanced. The shotgun is a medium range weapon. On the PC version, you could shoot a banshee from all the way across the map and still hit the enemy. The pistol is way unbalanced. It only takes 4 shots from a pistol to kill a fully shielded spartan. Even if you have an overshield it still only takes 4 shots to kill them. The Assault Rifle is too accurate at long ranges as well. Also, the physics in Halo 1 are terrible. If you drive a vehicle and bump into another player, it instantly kills them. Even the slightest bump can kill them.

Halo 1's multiplayer was terrible mainly because of the fact that there's no online multiplayer with the exception of Halo PC. Since you're limited to 4-player splitscreen, you're going to have a lot of screen looking. The fact that Halo 3 has tons of custom game options already means it's much better than Halo 1's custom game options. And you can adjust the physics in Halo 3 to make it more like Halo 1 such as speed, gravity, weapon damage, health and more.

As for the campaign, Halo 3 definitely has the best. Although ODST's campaign might be better than Halo 3's since it brought back the night missions from Halo 1. But in Halo 3, you have more variety of combat than you did in Halo 1. The story is much more meaningful and dramatic. And air combat is a plus in Halo 3. Halo 1 doesn't really have that much vehicle combat compared to Halo 3. Halo 3 also has a broader range of weapons including support weapons like detachable turrets and missile pods. Hijacking vehicles is a great feature brought in from Halo 2 which Halo 1 does not have.

Halo 1 lacks everything that makes Halo 2 and Halo 3 awesome.

  • 09.27.2009 7:35 AM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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The weapons in Halo 1 are definitely not balanced. The shotgun is a medium range weapon. On the PC version, you could shoot a banshee from all the way across the map and still hit the enemy. The pistol is way unbalanced. It only takes 4 shots from a pistol to kill a fully shielded spartan. Even if you have an overshield it still only takes 4 shots to kill them. The Assault Rifle is too accurate at long ranges as well. Also, the physics in Halo 1 are terrible. If you drive a vehicle and bump into another player, it instantly kills them. Even the slightest bump can kill them.



Think about what you just said, all the weapons in Halo 1 are extremely powerful, not one of them is weak. Therefore, they are balanced because they are so strong.

I'm sorry, but anyone that thinks the Pistol was overpowered either didn't play a serious game of Halo 1 multiplayer, or just got out-pistoled often. And by serious game, I mean an actual system link game. Not a split screen game. The pistol killed in three shots to the head, and had bullet lag. The pistol was not a garunteed easy kill at all. It took a ton of skill to use effectivley.

The Shotgun played it's role as the close/somewhat medium range weapon that could easily take down a pistol at a proper range. It was balanced.

The A/R played it's role as the close range weapon, that could easily take down a pistol, and even some other weapons like the shotgun, rocket launcher or PR when used in certian situations. I don't see how you could effectivley use it at long ranges unless you mod your xbox.

Being able to kill people when you run them over is a good thing. I don't know how many times I've tried to run someone over in Halo 2 and 3, hit them at the appropriate speed, but they didn't die. Killing people with vehicles in Halo 1 was consistent. In Halo 2 and 3, it isn't.



Posted by: General Heed
Halo 1's multiplayer was terrible mainly because of the fact that there's no online multiplayer with the exception of Halo PC. Since you're limited to 4-player splitscreen, you're going to have a lot of screen looking. The fact that Halo 3 has tons of custom game options already means it's much better than Halo 1's custom game options. And you can adjust the physics in Halo 3 to make it more like Halo 1 such as speed, gravity, weapon damage, health and more.


Yes, Halo 1 lacks the features that Halo 2 and Halo 3 provide, but it doesn't count for anything because gameplay in Halo 1 was much better than Halo 2's and 3's. I went into a pretty detailed explanation above about why that is.

If you have only played split screen multiplayer, then I would highily recommend you get some friends together, and play Halo 1 on system link.


Posted by: General Heed
As for the campaign, Halo 3 definitely has the best. Although ODST's campaign might be better than Halo 3's since it brought back the night missions from Halo 1. But in Halo 3, you have more variety of combat than you did in Halo 1. The story is much more meaningful and dramatic. And air combat is a plus in Halo 3. Halo 1 doesn't really have that much vehicle combat compared to Halo 3. Halo 3 also has a broader range of weapons including support weapons like detachable turrets and missile pods. Hijacking vehicles is a great feature brought in from Halo 2 which Halo 1 does not have.



Gameplay is very inconsistent in Halo 3, and your grandma could outrun master chief in Halo 3. This really makes campaign very slow paced and boring. Actually, it makes any Halo 3 game with the default running speed and default settings/maps slow paced and boring.

Halo 3's campaign was pretty repetitive. Actually, all three Halo's campaigns were pretty repetitive. You go on foot with the basic weapons, then get some new weapons, then get in a vehicle, then get some new weapons, etc.... It's all the same. The reason why Halo 1's was better out of the two was because it was original. I couldn't go back and play through it again, but the game was original, Halo 2 and Halo 3 were not.


Posted by: General Heed
Halo 1 lacks everything that makes Halo 2 and Halo 3 awesome.


Halo 2 and Halo 3 lack everything that makes Halo 1 awsome.

  • 09.27.2009 9:56 AM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

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Posted by: General Heed

The weapons in Halo 1 are definitely not balanced. The shotgun is a medium range weapon. On the PC version, you could shoot a banshee from all the way across the map and still hit the enemy. The pistol is way unbalanced. It only takes 4 shots from a pistol to kill a fully shielded spartan. Even if you have an overshield it still only takes 4 shots to kill them. The Assault Rifle is too accurate at long ranges as well. Also, the physics in Halo 1 are terrible. If you drive a vehicle and bump into another player, it instantly kills them. Even the slightest bump can kill them.



Think about what you just said, all the weapons in Halo 1 are extremely powerful, not one of them is weak. Therefore, they are balanced because they are so strong.

I'm sorry, but anyone that thinks the Pistol was overpowered either didn't play a serious game of Halo 1 multiplayer, or just got out-pistoled often. And by serious game, I mean an actual system link game. Not a split screen game. The pistol killed in three shots to the head, and had bullet lag. The pistol was not a garunteed easy kill at all. It took a ton of skill to use effectivley.

The Shotgun played it's role as the close/somewhat medium range weapon that could easily take down a pistol at a proper range. It was balanced.

The A/R played it's role as the close range weapon, that could easily take down a pistol, and even some other weapons like the shotgun, rocket launcher or PR when used in certian situations. I don't see how you could effectivley use it at long ranges unless you mod your xbox.

Being able to kill people when you run them over is a good thing. I don't know how many times I've tried to run someone over in Halo 2 and 3, hit them at the appropriate speed, but they didn't die. Killing people with vehicles in Halo 1 was consistent. In Halo 2 and 3, it isn't.



Posted by: General Heed
Halo 1's multiplayer was terrible mainly because of the fact that there's no online multiplayer with the exception of Halo PC. Since you're limited to 4-player splitscreen, you're going to have a lot of screen looking. The fact that Halo 3 has tons of custom game options already means it's much better than Halo 1's custom game options. And you can adjust the physics in Halo 3 to make it more like Halo 1 such as speed, gravity, weapon damage, health and more.


Yes, Halo 1 lacks the features that Halo 2 and Halo 3 provide, but it doesn't count for anything because gameplay in Halo 1 was much better than Halo 2's and 3's. I went into a pretty detailed explanation above about why that is.

If you have only played split screen multiplayer, then I would highily recommend you get some friends together, and play Halo 1 on system link.


Posted by: General Heed
As for the campaign, Halo 3 definitely has the best. Although ODST's campaign might be better than Halo 3's since it brought back the night missions from Halo 1. But in Halo 3, you have more variety of combat than you did in Halo 1. The story is much more meaningful and dramatic. And air combat is a plus in Halo 3. Halo 1 doesn't really have that much vehicle combat compared to Halo 3. Halo 3 also has a broader range of weapons including support weapons like detachable turrets and missile pods. Hijacking vehicles is a great feature brought in from Halo 2 which Halo 1 does not have.



Gameplay is very inconsistent in Halo 3, and your grandma could outrun master chief in Halo 3. This really makes campaign very slow paced and boring. Actually, it makes any Halo 3 game with the default running speed and default settings/maps slow paced and boring.

Halo 3's campaign was pretty repetitive. Actually, all three Halo's campaigns were pretty repetitive. You go on foot with the basic weapons, then get some new weapons, then get in a vehicle, then get some new weapons, etc.... It's all the same. The reason why Halo 1's was better out of the two was because it was original. I couldn't go back and play through it again, but the game was original, Halo 2 and Halo 3 were not.


Posted by: General Heed
Halo 1 lacks everything that makes Halo 2 and Halo 3 awesome.


Halo 2 and Halo 3 lack everything that makes Halo 1 awsome.


In other words, all the weapons in Halo 1 are overpowered. An inconsistent gameplay is much better because you don't know what to expect. In Halo 1, I can pretty much expect everyone to run for the pistols and shotguns. And on the PC version of Halo 1, every will try and go for the banshee and circle around the whole map splatering people with almost no way to stop the overpowered vehicle that's indestructible. But in Halo 3, no two games are ever the same. You always get a little surprise here and there. In real life, if I were to get bumped by a car moving at 0.5 mph, I would not die and go flying 20 feet away. I'd barely feel anything. But in Halo 1, such a slight bump has the power of a Rocket Launcher plus a shotgun. Everything in Halo 1 is completely messed up. In the PC version, you can hold a 2 handed weapon while driving a vehicle. Since when did you get four arms in Halo?

And the running speed in Halo 3 is much more realistic considering the fact that Master Chief is a super soldier wearing an advanced battle suit that weighs several tons. In Halo 1, it's almost like the armor doesn't exist and it's like you're filled with helium.

As for the campaign, Halo 3 definitely has a more intense campaign. Especially air battles against like 50 banshees and several anti-air vehicles. Also, the battle against 2 scarabs is quite challenging on higher difficulties.

The campaign in Halo 3 gives all the characters a much grander meaning and emotional purpose. In Halo 1, Master Chief barely talks and when he does talk, he pretty much sounds like he's superman. But in Halo 3, Master Chief and all the other characters have a more impactful dialouge and purpose in the game. When Miranda Keyes and Sgt. Johnson died in Halo 3, those were things you'd never expect.

Basically, the campaign in Halo 1 is more like a superhero comic book. But the story in Halo 3 is more like a Hollywood style movie. In fact, it was mainly because of Halo 3 that a Halo Movie was considered by major film producers. Also, the music in Halo 3 was much better than in Halo 1. The music in Halo 1 was meant to just act as a background music. But in Halo 3, the music really adds a dramatic feel to the story. The music is also a Hollywood quality soundtrack that could be used for a movie perfectly.

Now since this thread is about all the Halo games, the arguments are going to change a little with the release of Halo 3: ODST. The campaign is a whole new experience and it isn't like the past Halo games either. Once again though, the story in ODST is a hollywood quality story that is much more meaningful than Halo 1. I like all the Halo games. But Halo 1's time has come and gone. Now, Halo 1 can rest in peace on my shelf of xbox games that aren't worth playing anymore.

  • 09.28.2009 7:27 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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Posted by: General Heed


In other words, all the weapons in Halo 1 are overpowered. An inconsistent gameplay is much better because you don't know what to expect. In Halo 1, I can pretty much expect everyone to run for the pistols and shotguns. And on the PC version of Halo 1, every will try and go for the banshee and circle around the whole map splatering people with almost no way to stop the overpowered vehicle that's indestructible. But in Halo 3, no two games are ever the same. You always get a little surprise here and there. In real life, if I were to get bumped by a car moving at 0.5 mph, I would not die and go flying 20 feet away. I'd barely feel anything. But in Halo 1, such a slight bump has the power of a Rocket Launcher plus a shotgun. Everything in Halo 1 is completely messed up. In the PC version, you can hold a 2 handed weapon while driving a vehicle. Since when did you get four arms in Halo?


I'm not debating about Halo PC because I havn't played it yet.

Dude, think about what you just said in your first sentence. You have two guys with a perfectly equal BR skill, and due to the randomness of the game, the last BR shot on player A's BR doesn't register. Player B just won a BR fight, not due to skill, but due to luck. The inconsistencies of Halo 3 make the game much more about luck than skill, which is a bad thing.

The horrible spawns in Halo 3 make the game very unbalanced and make multiplayer feel repetitive. Unless you join a game with randoms that aren't very good at the game, expect to use the exact same strategies and camp in the exact same places on every map in Halo 3.

Posted by: General Heed
And the running speed in Halo 3 is much more realistic considering the fact that Master Chief is a super soldier wearing an advanced battle suit that weighs several tons. In Halo 1, it's almost like the armor doesn't exist and it's like you're filled with helium.


Realism doesn't make a game more fun. The unrealistic factor of Halo 1 is what made Halo 1 a best seller. If it was like any other tactical shooter with a reticule bloom and not being able to flip vehicles back over with people dying in one headshot and not having any shields, Halo just wouldn't be Halo.


Posted by: General Heed
As for the campaign, Halo 3 definitely has a more intense campaign. Especially air battles against like 50 banshees and several anti-air vehicles. Also, the battle against 2 scarabs is quite challenging on higher difficulties.


I guess the campaign's playability all depends on personal prefrence. I prefer a fast paced campaign. If you prefer a slower paced one, thats okay. Its your opinion. I will say though that the 2 scarab mission in Halo 3 is prett fun. That's about it for me though.

Posted by: General Heed
The campaign in Halo 3 gives all the characters a much grander meaning and emotional purpose. In Halo 1, Master Chief barely talks and when he does talk, he pretty much sounds like he's superman. But in Halo 3, Master Chief and all the other characters have a more impactful dialouge and purpose in the game. When Miranda Keyes and Sgt. Johnson died in Halo 3, those were things you'd never expect.


Dude, who cares? When it comes down to it, gameplay is really the only thing that matters. Who would want to play a game that had a great story line, great cinematics and diolauge if the game itself wasn't fun to play?


Posted by: General Heed
Basically, the campaign in Halo 1 is more like a superhero comic book. But the story in Halo 3 is more like a Hollywood style movie. In fact, it was mainly because of Halo 3 that a Halo Movie was considered by major film producers. Also, the music in Halo 3 was much better than in Halo 1. The music in Halo 1 was meant to just act as a background music. But in Halo 3, the music really adds a dramatic feel to the story. The music is also a Hollywood quality soundtrack that could be used for a movie perfectly.


See my post above this one...

Posted by: General Heed
Now since this thread is about all the Halo games, the arguments are going to change a little with the release of Halo 3: ODST. The campaign is a whole new experience and it isn't like the past Halo games either. Once again though, the story in ODST is a hollywood quality story that is much more meaningful than Halo 1. I like all the Halo games. But Halo 1's time has come and gone. Now, Halo 1 can rest in peace on my shelf of xbox games that aren't worth playing anymore.


Not really because multiplayer was the only thing that made Halo playable after you beat campaign. Think of how fast everyone forgot about Bioshock. Great campaign, but no mutliplayer. ODST has no mutliplayer either, aside from firefight. Soon, everyone will forget it exists until the Halo Reach beta comes out.

I will probably never stop playing Halo 1 unless Halo Reach gives us custom game options to make Reach feel and play exactly like Halo 1. When it comes to intense, fast paced multiplayer fun, Halo 2 and 3 just don't compare to Halo 1.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 9:01 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 9:00 PM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

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Posted by: General Heed


In other words, all the weapons in Halo 1 are overpowered. An inconsistent gameplay is much better because you don't know what to expect. In Halo 1, I can pretty much expect everyone to run for the pistols and shotguns. And on the PC version of Halo 1, every will try and go for the banshee and circle around the whole map splatering people with almost no way to stop the overpowered vehicle that's indestructible. But in Halo 3, no two games are ever the same. You always get a little surprise here and there. In real life, if I were to get bumped by a car moving at 0.5 mph, I would not die and go flying 20 feet away. I'd barely feel anything. But in Halo 1, such a slight bump has the power of a Rocket Launcher plus a shotgun. Everything in Halo 1 is completely messed up. In the PC version, you can hold a 2 handed weapon while driving a vehicle. Since when did you get four arms in Halo?


I'm not debating about Halo PC because I havn't played it yet.

Dude, think about what you just said in your first sentence. You have two guys with a perfectly equal BR skill, and due to the randomness of the game, the last BR shot on player A's BR doesn't register. Player B just won a BR fight, not due to skill, but due to luck. The inconsistencies of Halo 3 make the game much more about luck than skill, which is a bad thing.

The horrible spawns in Halo 3 make the game very unbalanced and make multiplayer feel repetitive. Unless you join a game with randoms that aren't very good at the game, expect to use the exact same strategies and camp in the exact same places on every map in Halo 3.

Posted by: General Heed
And the running speed in Halo 3 is much more realistic considering the fact that Master Chief is a super soldier wearing an advanced battle suit that weighs several tons. In Halo 1, it's almost like the armor doesn't exist and it's like you're filled with helium.


Realism doesn't make a game more fun. The unrealistic factor of Halo 1 is what made Halo 1 a best seller. If it was like any other tactical shooter with a reticule bloom and not being able to flip vehicles back over with people dying in one headshot and not having any shields, Halo just wouldn't be Halo.


Posted by: General Heed
As for the campaign, Halo 3 definitely has a more intense campaign. Especially air battles against like 50 banshees and several anti-air vehicles. Also, the battle against 2 scarabs is quite challenging on higher difficulties.


I guess the campaign's playability all depends on personal prefrence. I prefer a fast paced campaign. If you prefer a slower paced one, thats okay. Its your opinion. I will say though that the 2 scarab mission in Halo 3 is prett fun. That's about it for me though.

Posted by: General Heed
The campaign in Halo 3 gives all the characters a much grander meaning and emotional purpose. In Halo 1, Master Chief barely talks and when he does talk, he pretty much sounds like he's superman. But in Halo 3, Master Chief and all the other characters have a more impactful dialouge and purpose in the game. When Miranda Keyes and Sgt. Johnson died in Halo 3, those were things you'd never expect.


Dude, who cares? When it comes down to it, gameplay is really the only thing that matters. Who would want to play a game that had a great story line, great cinematics and diolauge if the game itself wasn't fun to play?


Posted by: General Heed
Basically, the campaign in Halo 1 is more like a superhero comic book. But the story in Halo 3 is more like a Hollywood style movie. In fact, it was mainly because of Halo 3 that a Halo Movie was considered by major film producers. Also, the music in Halo 3 was much better than in Halo 1. The music in Halo 1 was meant to just act as a background music. But in Halo 3, the music really adds a dramatic feel to the story. The music is also a Hollywood quality soundtrack that could be used for a movie perfectly.


See my post above this one...

Posted by: General Heed
Now since this thread is about all the Halo games, the arguments are going to change a little with the release of Halo 3: ODST. The campaign is a whole new experience and it isn't like the past Halo games either. Once again though, the story in ODST is a hollywood quality story that is much more meaningful than Halo 1. I like all the Halo games. But Halo 1's time has come and gone. Now, Halo 1 can rest in peace on my shelf of xbox games that aren't worth playing anymore.


Not really because multiplayer was the only thing that made Halo playable after you beat campaign. Think of how fast everyone forgot about Bioshock. Great campaign, but no mutliplayer. ODST has no mutliplayer either, aside from firefight. Soon, everyone will forget it exists until the Halo Reach beta comes out.

I will probably never stop playing Halo 1 unless Halo Reach gives us custom game options to make Reach feel and play exactly like Halo 1. When it comes to intense, fast paced multiplayer fun, Halo 2 and 3 just don't compare to Halo 1.


Still, Halo 1 used to be a best seller. But not anymore. Halo 2 broke Halo 1's record when it came out and when Halo 3 came out, it broke Halo 2's record. Unfortunately, ODST did not break Halo 3's record. So in terms of sales, ratings, and general popularity, Halo 3 is the best.

  • 09.29.2009 12:04 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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As I've said many times in this debate, gameplay is all that matters. Halo 2 and Halo 3 did not come close to the greatness of Halo 1's multiplayer. I've listed all my reasons above so please respond to those so I don't have to type everything back out again

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Wow you guys like to write aLOT.

  • 09.30.2009 7:52 PM PDT
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R.I.P. Halo 2
11/9/04 - 4/15/10

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General Heed, you do realize that the suit moves itself right? It enhances ones strength and reflexes. This suit enables it's user to run faster. And it doesn't weight several tons, 1 ton is 2000 lbs, several (which most often means 3) tons would be 6000 lbs. A Spartan wearing his armor weighs half a ton, 1000 lbs, but the armor moves itself.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:40 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 8:39 PM PDT

The problem with Halo 3 is that chief wasn't a human supersoldier anymore, he was more an immortal superhero(Which led to the creation of ODST, to make Halo feel human again). If they remade Halo CE with halo ODST graphics, new weapons, forge, and online multiplayer, that will be the day a game couldn't get any better, but to answer your question, Halo CE is definately the grandaddy of all the shooters you see today. It was the greatest Halo.
---In Halo CE, they worked hard on campaign and threw in a multiplayer.
---In Halo 3, they worked hard on multiplayer and threw in a campaign.

Am I right? You can't say I'm wrong.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:46 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 8:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: cutter22301
The problem with Halo 3 is that chief wasn't a human supersoldier anymore, he was more an immortal superhero(Which led to the creation of ODST, to make Halo feel human again). If they remade Halo CE with halo ODST graphics, new weapons, forge, and online multiplayer, that will be the day a game couldn't get any better, but to answer your question, Halo CE is definately the grandaddy of all the shooters you see today. It was the greatest Halo.
---In Halo CE, they worked hard on campaign and threw in a multiplayer.
---In Halo 3, they worked hard on multiplayer and threw in a campaign.

Am I right? You can't say I'm wrong.

Precisely. Anyone who says Halo 3's campaign is better is blinded by shallow things like graphics number of weapons, instead of gameplay/overall feel and storyline.

Halo 1 fans have much more fun playing Halo 1's campaign than Halo 3 fan's have playing Halo 3's campaign.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:57 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 8:52 PM PDT

No. But only because of Forge.

  • 09.30.2009 11:53 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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So you think extra features compensates for mediocre gameplay?

  • 10.01.2009 9:02 AM PDT