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Subject: Do you think Halo CE is the best halo

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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Go to mlgpro.com and make a thread in their forum section asking which is better, Halo 3 or Halo 1 and see what people say. Like we agreed on earlier, a critic's rating is nothing more than another fan's opinion. And the MLG forums have tons of fans with opinions on this subject.

Or check out a thread from the voting booth forum section here:

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26784643&p ostRepeater1-p=1

Read a few opinions in there and you will see why the majority of people who visited that thread think Halo 1 is better than Halo 3

[Edited on 10.07.2009 2:49 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 2:39 PM PDT

i read it and they said that halo ce is better

  • 10.07.2009 3:36 PM PDT

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@heed
First, Many times, critics arent with the fan reviews.
For example sonic unleashed, the 360 and ps3 versions were bashed (3-4/10), and the wii and ps2 versions got a 7 out of 10, but many people who play both prefer the next gen versions.
Or the PMD series got bad-meh type reviews, and the fans liked it.
Or this really bad series of PSX games that was liked by fans of it but bashed by critics and Pokemon Fans.
Or games like empire total war, buggy, with bad fan reviews, but somehow 9/10s.
And a response to those 7 points you said:

Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: Frankiesouthside
1.Kick-ass story

2.Kick-ass magnum

3.An actual challenging campaign

4.Great LAN multiplayer

5.Great Intro

6.Great ending level

7.Changed first-person shooter games =]



1. Every Halo game had a great story except for Halo Wars.

2. Magnum is back in ODST and is a lot more accurate plus shoots faster and I believe it has a higher zoom.

3. ODST has the most challenging campaign. Especially on Legendary since you are no longer a Spartan Super Soldier like in the previous Halo games.

4. But it doesn't have online multiplayer except for the PC version.

5. What do you mean by intro? The first level? Well, the first level kind of didn't give you any background. It just kind of dropped you right into the middle of a battle. In fact, the purpose of Halo Wars and Halo Reach will be to complete the intro for Halo 1. On the other hand, I liked the Halo 2 intro with the ceremonies. The ODST intro is amazing because you're actually in the HEV Pods as an ODST dropping from Orbit. Sure all the Halo games had some scene where you drop from orbit, but ODST is the first where you witness it in 1st person.

6. Yeah, the ending wasn't that bad. But Halo 3 had a more dramatic and emotional ending. As for ODST, well, it's ending was different and somewhat a rip-off from a few movies. And to no surprise, ODST had another long driving mission. Halo 1 & Halo 3 had pretty fun driving missions (warthog runs), but ODST's warthog run was just annoying especially because you had to protect Dare and the Engineer.

7. Actually, Halo 1 did change FPS's, but not to the extent of an even older game. Some people might say Counter Strike revolutionized FPS games. But I say an even older classic game changed FPS's forever. That game is: Goldeneye 64 on the Nintendo 64. Not only did it have features that wouldn't be seen again for many years until Halo 1, but it's multiplayer despite being only local was much more replayable than any Halo game thus far in my opinion. I'd like to see a remake of it on the 360. Goldeneye, back then, already had tons of weapons and maps like Halo. You also had the ability to dual-wield certain weapons like in Halo 2. There was also a vehicle level where you got to drive a tank. Vehicle combat that was good would not be seen again until Halo 1.

So in my opinion, the most revolutionary First-Person Shooter game would be Goldeneye 64. All subsequent FPS games just took a lot of their ideas from Goldeneye. But ODST is a lot more creative because of it's different gameplay style which you don't normally see in a FPS.

1. Halo wars had a ok story.
2. The ODST Pistol is the halo 2 one (no more pistols taking out shees in 2-3 shots) but silenced, with scope, and with the same melee animation as in Halo 2.
3. ODST's is challenging, cause the level design is lame (wander through streets at night, yay)
4. Xlink Kai or XBC.
5.It dropped you into battle, but it was much more epic.
6.ODSTs ending wasnt the best, but neither was halo 3s, it was predictable.
7. HL, DOOM, and others revolutionized it even more, but when halo came out, it was big as it had things new to the fps genere, and also refined them.

Not to mention, those were big steps compared to the first FPS according to wikipedia, MIDI Maze.

  • 10.07.2009 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: JacobGRocks
@heed
First, Many times, critics arent with the fan reviews.
For example sonic unleashed, the 360 and ps3 versions were bashed (3-4/10), and the wii and ps2 versions got a 7 out of 10, but many people who play both prefer the next gen versions.
Or the PMD series got bad-meh type reviews, and the fans liked it.
Or this really bad series of PSX games that was liked by fans of it but bashed by critics and Pokemon Fans.
Or games like empire total war, buggy, with bad fan reviews, but somehow 9/10s.
And a response to those 7 points you said:

Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: Frankiesouthside
1.Kick-ass story

2.Kick-ass magnum

3.An actual challenging campaign

4.Great LAN multiplayer

5.Great Intro

6.Great ending level

7.Changed first-person shooter games =]



1. Every Halo game had a great story except for Halo Wars.

2. Magnum is back in ODST and is a lot more accurate plus shoots faster and I believe it has a higher zoom.

3. ODST has the most challenging campaign. Especially on Legendary since you are no longer a Spartan Super Soldier like in the previous Halo games.

4. But it doesn't have online multiplayer except for the PC version.

5. What do you mean by intro? The first level? Well, the first level kind of didn't give you any background. It just kind of dropped you right into the middle of a battle. In fact, the purpose of Halo Wars and Halo Reach will be to complete the intro for Halo 1. On the other hand, I liked the Halo 2 intro with the ceremonies. The ODST intro is amazing because you're actually in the HEV Pods as an ODST dropping from Orbit. Sure all the Halo games had some scene where you drop from orbit, but ODST is the first where you witness it in 1st person.

6. Yeah, the ending wasn't that bad. But Halo 3 had a more dramatic and emotional ending. As for ODST, well, it's ending was different and somewhat a rip-off from a few movies. And to no surprise, ODST had another long driving mission. Halo 1 & Halo 3 had pretty fun driving missions (warthog runs), but ODST's warthog run was just annoying especially because you had to protect Dare and the Engineer.

7. Actually, Halo 1 did change FPS's, but not to the extent of an even older game. Some people might say Counter Strike revolutionized FPS games. But I say an even older classic game changed FPS's forever. That game is: Goldeneye 64 on the Nintendo 64. Not only did it have features that wouldn't be seen again for many years until Halo 1, but it's multiplayer despite being only local was much more replayable than any Halo game thus far in my opinion. I'd like to see a remake of it on the 360. Goldeneye, back then, already had tons of weapons and maps like Halo. You also had the ability to dual-wield certain weapons like in Halo 2. There was also a vehicle level where you got to drive a tank. Vehicle combat that was good would not be seen again until Halo 1.

So in my opinion, the most revolutionary First-Person Shooter game would be Goldeneye 64. All subsequent FPS games just took a lot of their ideas from Goldeneye. But ODST is a lot more creative because of it's different gameplay style which you don't normally see in a FPS.

1. Halo wars had a ok story.
2. The ODST Pistol is the halo 2 one (no more pistols taking out shees in 2-3 shots) but silenced, with scope, and with the same melee animation as in Halo 2.
3. ODST's is challenging, cause the level design is lame (wander through streets at night, yay)
4. Xlink Kai or XBC.
5.It dropped you into battle, but it was much more epic.
6.ODSTs ending wasnt the best, but neither was halo 3s, it was predictable.
7. HL, DOOM, and others revolutionized it even more, but when halo came out, it was big as it had things new to the fps genere, and also refined them.

Not to mention, those were big steps compared to the first FPS according to wikipedia, MIDI Maze.


I didn't really like doom that much. Still prefer Goldeneye 64. But anyways, as far as I can tell, Halo had the best vehicle combat that any FPS had so far. But really, Goldeneye already had most of the features Halo had. And don't forget about Counter-Strike which still came before Halo and probably affected the Call of Duty series.

The story in Halo Wars wasn't too bad, but it just doesn't live up to the standards of Bungie's Halo Games. Halo 1's story doesn't really do a good job at explaining the background of the Covenant-Human War. It also suddenly throws the forunners in without clearly explaining who the forunners were. And the Covenant virtually had no story in Halo 1. They were just enemies in a room that you had to kill. Halo 2 does a very good job of explaining the story of the covenant. In fact, the Covenant's story in Halo 2 is almost as important as the human story especially with the Covenant Civil War. Halo 3 doesn't focus on the Covenant as much as Halo 2, but it does tie up most of the loose ends. Especially the story behind the forunners. Turns out that humans are the forunners which would explain why the Covenant needed humans to activate the Halo Rings. But obviously in Halo 1 that wasn't explained or suggested at all.

In my opinion, Halo 1's story is one of the best, but it's storyline works like the other Halo games. They all start out like sequels. You can't fully understand the story unless you played the previous game. Well, Halo 1 has no previous game yet so you couldn't understand all the mysteries until you played the later Halo games or read the Halo books.

Also, Halo 2's story, while no my favorite, appears to appeal to Hollywood the most. After Halo 2 came out, Hollywood took an interest in making a Halo Movie. Obviously the deal never went through because Microsoft couldn't come to an agreement or something, but the point is that it was Halo 2's story that caught the most attention, not Halo 1.

Halo 2 and all the later Halo games had a deeper plot. In fact, it was Halo 2 that revolutionized the campaign mode for FPS's. Before Halo 2, most non-movie based FPS games didn't really have a deep movie-style plot. After Halo 2, you start having games with awesome stories like COD 4, Gears of War, and several other games.

As for Halo 3, it redefined what an FPS was and added so many new features like detachable turrets, more vehicles, equipment, forge (noob-friendly map editor), and Theater Mode which most FPS's, even PC games didn't have without using an external program like Fraps.

But yes, Halo 1 did set the base standard for future FPS games and it did change the world of FPS's forever. I guess depending on criteria, original games can be better, like how the original pacman is the best. But again, depending on the criteria, newer versions can also be better.

  • 10.07.2009 7:52 PM PDT

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if this game made it to online multiplayer on the console i think it would have lasted a lot longer as a top game. solely because it plays better then 2 and 3 put together.

  • 10.08.2009 10:16 AM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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What are you talking about man, it IS still a top game

  • 10.08.2009 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: thewhorocker15
What are you talking about man, it IS still a top game


But it's not a top-selling game anymore. In fact, as far as I know, Halo 2 still sells better than Halo 1 today. Both games obviously barely sell anymore. But of the few people who never played either, Halo 2 is more likely to be bought.

Also, none of the Halo games are the top games of the year anymore. I'm not sure if ODST has earned that title yet. And so far, every game except for Halo Wars and ODST (im not sure yet) have earned top games of all time. Each Halo game except for ODST and Halo Wars, has broken the previous game's record in sales.

And it's not true that just because a game is newer more people are likely to buy the newest one. ODST is an example of that.

  • 10.08.2009 12:09 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: thewhorocker15
What are you talking about man, it IS still a top game


But it's not a top-selling game anymore. In fact, as far as I know, Halo 2 still sells better than Halo 1 today. Both games obviously barely sell anymore. But of the few people who never played either, Halo 2 is more likely to be bought.

Also, none of the Halo games are the top games of the year anymore. I'm not sure if ODST has earned that title yet. And so far, every game except for Halo Wars and ODST (im not sure yet) have earned top games of all time. Each Halo game except for ODST and Halo Wars, has broken the previous game's record in sales.

And it's not true that just because a game is newer more people are likely to buy the newest one. ODST is an example of that.


I guess it depends on how you define "top game." If you measure that by sales, then yes. I would be shocked if Halo 1 or 2 sold any copies recently.

My definition of a Top Game would be if it's good or not. And because Halo 1 is the better of the series (and "critics" agree) then it is still a top game by my definition.

  • 10.08.2009 2:29 PM PDT

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  • 10.08.2009 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: thewhorocker15
Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: thewhorocker15
What are you talking about man, it IS still a top game


But it's not a top-selling game anymore. In fact, as far as I know, Halo 2 still sells better than Halo 1 today. Both games obviously barely sell anymore. But of the few people who never played either, Halo 2 is more likely to be bought.

Also, none of the Halo games are the top games of the year anymore. I'm not sure if ODST has earned that title yet. And so far, every game except for Halo Wars and ODST (im not sure yet) have earned top games of all time. Each Halo game except for ODST and Halo Wars, has broken the previous game's record in sales.

And it's not true that just because a game is newer more people are likely to buy the newest one. ODST is an example of that.


I guess it depends on how you define "top game." If you measure that by sales, then yes. I would be shocked if Halo 1 or 2 sold any copies recently.

My definition of a Top Game would be if it's good or not. And because Halo 1 is the better of the series (and "critics" agree) then it is still a top game by my definition.


Actually, Halo 2 is still selling a few copies. Mostly at used game stores. But at some stores like Best Buy, they may still sell new copies of Halo 2. So Halo 2 is still selling. The same goes for Halo 1. But as to how well they're selling, well, I don't know. I convinced my friend to buy both games cause he only played Halo 3 and he did buy them. So that's 1 sale for each game. So yeah, all the Halo games are still selling to a certain extent.

My definition of a top game is if it's innovative and has an acceptable storyline. If Halo 3 had the same features as Halo 1 after all these years then I would like Halo 1 better. And if Halo 3's story became terrible all of a sudden, like Master Chief gets the ability to fly and shoot lightning, then I would like Halo 1 better. But so far, Halo 3 satisfies all my criteria. ODST, satisfies some, but not as much as Halo 1 and the other Halo games.

So Halo 1 is the best game in some areas and Halo 3 is the best in other areas. I would like to end this argument here. Although I'd expect someone else to try and bring this back up again in the future.

But I think we can all agree that the Halo Series is one of the best and strongest series out there.

  • 10.08.2009 4:46 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: thewhorocker15
Posted by: General Heed
Posted by: thewhorocker15
What are you talking about man, it IS still a top game


But it's not a top-selling game anymore. In fact, as far as I know, Halo 2 still sells better than Halo 1 today. Both games obviously barely sell anymore. But of the few people who never played either, Halo 2 is more likely to be bought.

Also, none of the Halo games are the top games of the year anymore. I'm not sure if ODST has earned that title yet. And so far, every game except for Halo Wars and ODST (im not sure yet) have earned top games of all time. Each Halo game except for ODST and Halo Wars, has broken the previous game's record in sales.

And it's not true that just because a game is newer more people are likely to buy the newest one. ODST is an example of that.


I guess it depends on how you define "top game." If you measure that by sales, then yes. I would be shocked if Halo 1 or 2 sold any copies recently.

My definition of a Top Game would be if it's good or not. And because Halo 1 is the better of the series (and "critics" agree) then it is still a top game by my definition.


Actually, Halo 2 is still selling a few copies. Mostly at used game stores. But at some stores like Best Buy, they may still sell new copies of Halo 2. So Halo 2 is still selling. The same goes for Halo 1. But as to how well they're selling, well, I don't know. I convinced my friend to buy both games cause he only played Halo 3 and he did buy them. So that's 1 sale for each game. So yeah, all the Halo games are still selling to a certain extent.

My definition of a top game is if it's innovative and has an acceptable storyline. If Halo 3 had the same features as Halo 1 after all these years then I would like Halo 1 better. And if Halo 3's story became terrible all of a sudden, like Master Chief gets the ability to fly and shoot lightning, then I would like Halo 1 better. But so far, Halo 3 satisfies all my criteria. ODST, satisfies some, but not as much as Halo 1 and the other Halo games.

So Halo 1 is the best game in some areas and Halo 3 is the best in other areas. I would like to end this argument here. Although I'd expect someone else to try and bring this back up again in the future.

But I think we can all agree that the Halo Series is one of the best and strongest series out there.


I'm not one to back out of an agruement without reaching a resolution when the topic does not strictly deal with one's opinions. Having said that, I would love it if you would rebuttle to some points i made against you a few pages ago.

  • 10.08.2009 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: thewhorocker15
I'm not one to back out of an agruement without reaching a resolution when the topic does not strictly deal with one's opinions. Having said that, I would love it if you would rebuttle to some points i made against you a few pages ago.


Well, if you insist...

I think I covered most of your points except for the one about other forums and the voting booth with that poll about which Halo game was the best.

I haven't seen all the other forums yet so I don't have much to say about it other than that I think those other forums are just a mirror of this one.

As for the poll, only a couple thousand people participated in that poll. According to Bungie's online stats, there are over 15 million Halo 3 players. So a few thousand people won't accurately speak for the 15 million Halo 3 and Halo 2 gamers. And besides, Halo 3 and Halo 1 are very close in that poll. The two games are very close. If all 15 million people voted, the results might change up a bit. But it seems the competition is always between Halo 1 and Halo 3. Halo 2 seems to be not that important.

  • 10.08.2009 4:56 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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Actually, I was referring to this from page 3 regarding the original topic, is Halo 1 the best of the 3...

Posted by: General Heed


In other words, all the weapons in Halo 1 are overpowered. An inconsistent gameplay is much better because you don't know what to expect. In Halo 1, I can pretty much expect everyone to run for the pistols and shotguns. And on the PC version of Halo 1, every will try and go for the banshee and circle around the whole map splatering people with almost no way to stop the overpowered vehicle that's indestructible. But in Halo 3, no two games are ever the same. You always get a little surprise here and there. In real life, if I were to get bumped by a car moving at 0.5 mph, I would not die and go flying 20 feet away. I'd barely feel anything. But in Halo 1, such a slight bump has the power of a Rocket Launcher plus a shotgun. Everything in Halo 1 is completely messed up. In the PC version, you can hold a 2 handed weapon while driving a vehicle. Since when did you get four arms in Halo?



I'm not debating about Halo PC because I havn't played it yet.

Dude, think about what you just said in your first sentence. You have two guys with a perfectly equal BR skill, and due to the randomness of the game, the last BR shot on player A's BR doesn't register. Player B just won a BR fight, not due to skill, but due to luck. The inconsistencies of Halo 3 make the game much more about luck than skill, which is a bad thing.

The horrible spawns in Halo 3 make the game very unbalanced and make multiplayer feel repetitive. Unless you join a game with randoms that aren't very good at the game, expect to use the exact same strategies and camp in the exact same places on every map in Halo 3.


Posted by: General Heed
And the running speed in Halo 3 is much more realistic considering the fact that Master Chief is a super soldier wearing an advanced battle suit that weighs several tons. In Halo 1, it's almost like the armor doesn't exist and it's like you're filled with helium.



Realism doesn't make a game more fun. The unrealistic factor of Halo 1 is what made Halo 1 a best seller. If it was like any other tactical shooter with a reticule bloom and not being able to flip vehicles back over with people dying in one headshot and not having any shields, Halo just wouldn't be Halo.


Never got a response to those^

In addition, we came to the agreement that a critic is nothing more than a fan with an opinion. That poll thread has many fans with many opinions. The same goes for the MLG forums. They are all fans there with opinions.

Now, going back to what you said earlier, a critic's review represents what the majority of players believe. So, we could look at it two different ways:

1) The critic's reviews you have read in which they state that Halo 3 is better than Halo 1 is flawed due to the massive amount of people right here on the internet that claim Halo 1 is superior.

2) Since critics are just fans with opinions, and these people on internet forums are also fans with opinios, we can classify them as critics. Since the majority of these critics is that Halo 1 is the superior game, and you believe that critics represent the majority's opinions, the majority therefore believes that Halo 1 is the better game.

[Edited on 10.08.2009 5:06 PM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 5:04 PM PDT

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Ok, I'm not going to quote that post since it's way too long.

But realism does make a game more enjoyable and in the case of the Call of Duty Series as well as Counter Strike, realism is everything. And if you've ever gotten in a Halo vs. Gears of War argument on other forums, the Gears of War fans will always use realism as an argument against Halo. And quite frankly, only Halo 3 and ODST are able to compete with games where realism is important.

Now as for the critics, if you look at the critics that reviewed all three Halo games. Some of the same critics that reviewed all the games gave Halo 3 higher ratings than they did back with Halo 1. Some others did the opposite. But if you count the awards that each Halo game has. I believe that Halo 3 has the most awards (which is an argument I use against Gears of War). So if you count awards and certain critics Halo 3 would be best. But if you count the other critics and some other factors, Halo 1 would take over. Like I said, it really depends on what criteria defines a better game. That criteria is different for everyone.

  • 10.08.2009 5:30 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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If you find realistic games more fun, then why do you like a game about a superhuman that is a soldier and in a war against aliens? Why would you like a game where someone can fall from a ridiculous height and still be able to walk? Or throw gernades an extremely far distance? Or have shields around his armor? If realism is everything, Halo would not be the hit it is today.

As I have said many times before, gameplay is all that matters. I have said above why gameplay in Halo 1 is much better than Halo 3. And the masses have my back on that too.

  • 10.08.2009 5:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: thewhorocker15
If you find realistic games more fun, then why do you like a game about a superhuman that is a soldier and in a war against aliens? Why would you like a game where someone can fall from a ridiculous height and still be able to walk? Or throw gernades an extremely far distance? Or have shields around his armor? If realism is everything, Halo would not be the hit it is today.

As I have said many times before, gameplay is all that matters. I have said above why gameplay in Halo 1 is much better than Halo 3. And the masses have my back on that too.


If I were to start this exact same thread in the Halo 3 forums, then I think the opinions will shift greatly.

Now realism, I don't necessarily mean 100% Call of Duty realism. But just realistic enough that I don't feel like I'm playing Super Man or Mario Bros. You see in Halo 3, the flood is a lot more realistic as you have the ability to blow them to pieces. Also, the physics in Halo 3 and Halo 2 are more realistic in that a tiny bump from a vehicle won't instantly kill you but rather injure you. And also, the pistols in later games are a lot more balanced so a single pistol can't take out a fully armored tank. Also, destructible vehicles are a realistic perk in later Halo games. In Halo PC, I hate how I shoot a banshee out of the sky with a rocket, only to have that same player run back to the banshee and start flying around again right away. That's what I mean by realistic. It's not like I want to start seeing AK-47's in Halo.

Now, in terms of the real world, super soldiers may be possible in the future. As for aliens, they may also exist. In fact, it's very likely there's some other form of life beyond Earth. There are trillions of other planets out there with trillions of other galaxies. So there has to be something else out there.

You can't survive huge falls in Halo. You'll die if you jump from too high. There is fall damage in all the halo games. That's an attempt to make Halo more realistic. Plus, Master Chief's suit is supposed to absorb the shock of the fall. That technology is not unrealistic today. When we send probes to land on other planets like Mars, they all need to have shock absorbers to land on the ground. Otherwise they'll smash to pieces. Parachutes only work on Earth. As for throwing grenades long distances, have you seen the Olympics at all? There are athletes that can throw spears all the way across a stadium with very high accuracy. It just takes training. So the Halo Series is a lot more realistic than you realize. As the Halo games get newer, the game gets more realistic. ODST is by far, the most realistic Halo game ever. Some people call it the Halo version of COD.

So anyways, gameplay is still a debatable opinion which is what we are debating right now. The reason why I have virtually no allies here is because I'm in enemy territory. As I mentioned earlier, if I were to start this same thread in the Halo 3 forums, the results would be a lot different. Why? Because both forums are biased. People in the Halo 1 forums prefer Halo 1. People in the Halo 3 forums prefer Halo 3. And the same applies for the Halo 2 forum.

  • 10.08.2009 6:35 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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But just because some physics are more realistic, that doesn't mean gameplay has improved. I will try to break down gameplay between Halo 1 and 3 again:

Halo 1 had greater weapon balance than Halo 3. This is primarily due to the weapon inconsistencies in Halo 3 VS consistent weapons in Halo 1. Let's take a look at a Pistol fight in Halo 1 and a BR fight in Halo 3....

Two people get into a Pistol fight in Halo 1. They have to lead their shots correctly, which takes a considerable amount of skill. One player correctly places three shots at his opponent's head, and successfully gets the kill because his opponent could only land 2 headshots and one shot to the body. There was a clearly defined skill gap in Halo 1 due to consistent weapons.

Two players get into a BR fight in Halo 3. Both of them have an equal BR skill, but one of Player A's BR shots doesn't register due to the inconsistent weapons of Halo 3, and Player B gets the kill as a result. Player B just won a BR fight because he got lucky that Player A's BR didn't work. I don't see how anyone could think that this is fair.

Weapon inconsistencies like this make Halo 3 a very unfair game. It makes gameplay based on luck rather than skill. Sure, it's great for player's who only get to play when they're at their friend's house, or even those who only like to play Actionsack. But for everyone else, this luck based gameplay is very bad.

Every weapon in Halo 1 was balanced correctly. Yes, the Pistol was a monster, but so was every other weapon. Think about the range and power of the shotgun, the power of the Assault Rifle, the speed of the Rockets, the freezing effect of the Plasma Rifle, and so on... The Pistol as a starting weapon only furthered this balance of gameplay because every weapon was so strong and the pistol could properly defend you in nearly any situation. It could be no means overpower a player with a power weapon, but it made it so you had a fair chance at least to defend yourself.

Every weapon in Halo 3 is extremly weak and inconsistent. No weapon can shoot across the map, turning gameplay into a very slow paced stalemate. If you're an active Halo 3 player, you very well know about the problem where you clearly shoot a player in the head with a Sniper Rifle, see blood come out of his head, but he still lives. How often did that happen in Halo 1 or 2?

These forum sections are biased, I will agree with that. We can agree though that the voting booth thread I sent you a link to was in a non-biased section (when relating to this subject). People have all said the same thing, Halo 1 > Halo 3. And the people that respond as to why they think Halo 3 is the better game is either because they havn't played any other Halo, or because it's the most messing around-style fun.

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well its awesome and u feelthe fisrt has to be the bedst well it depnds on wat ur talkin about this gamme is good but i wouldnt say its the best because there are lost of halo games coming out soon

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  • 10.09.2009 10:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: thewhorocker15
But just because some physics are more realistic, that doesn't mean gameplay has improved. I will try to break down gameplay between Halo 1 and 3 again:

Halo 1 had greater weapon balance than Halo 3. This is primarily due to the weapon inconsistencies in Halo 3 VS consistent weapons in Halo 1. Let's take a look at a Pistol fight in Halo 1 and a BR fight in Halo 3....

Two people get into a Pistol fight in Halo 1. They have to lead their shots correctly, which takes a considerable amount of skill. One player correctly places three shots at his opponent's head, and successfully gets the kill because his opponent could only land 2 headshots and one shot to the body. There was a clearly defined skill gap in Halo 1 due to consistent weapons.

Two players get into a BR fight in Halo 3. Both of them have an equal BR skill, but one of Player A's BR shots doesn't register due to the inconsistent weapons of Halo 3, and Player B gets the kill as a result. Player B just won a BR fight because he got lucky that Player A's BR didn't work. I don't see how anyone could think that this is fair.

Weapon inconsistencies like this make Halo 3 a very unfair game. It makes gameplay based on luck rather than skill. Sure, it's great for player's who only get to play when they're at their friend's house, or even those who only like to play Actionsack. But for everyone else, this luck based gameplay is very bad.

Every weapon in Halo 1 was balanced correctly. Yes, the Pistol was a monster, but so was every other weapon. Think about the range and power of the shotgun, the power of the Assault Rifle, the speed of the Rockets, the freezing effect of the Plasma Rifle, and so on... The Pistol as a starting weapon only furthered this balance of gameplay because every weapon was so strong and the pistol could properly defend you in nearly any situation. It could be no means overpower a player with a power weapon, but it made it so you had a fair chance at least to defend yourself.

Every weapon in Halo 3 is extremly weak and inconsistent. No weapon can shoot across the map, turning gameplay into a very slow paced stalemate. If you're an active Halo 3 player, you very well know about the problem where you clearly shoot a player in the head with a Sniper Rifle, see blood come out of his head, but he still lives. How often did that happen in Halo 1 or 2?

These forum sections are biased, I will agree with that. We can agree though that the voting booth thread I sent you a link to was in a non-biased section (when relating to this subject). People have all said the same thing, Halo 1 > Halo 3. And the people that respond as to why they think Halo 3 is the better game is either because they havn't played any other Halo, or because it's the most messing around-style fun.


Well in Halo 3, most weapons can't shoot across the map because that's more realistic. If everyone weapon was an infinite range weapon, then what's the point of a sniper rifle? Why not just use a shotgun to snipe someone instead? That'd be much more efficient and you have less of a chance of missing.

In Halo 3, BR shots always register. The reason why some shots may not appear to register is because Halo 3 BR shots are spread out like a real weapon would be. Halo 2 BR's were hitscan weapons which always registered and won't spread. So because the shots are spread out, if one of the 4 bullets fired misses, then that may be by you don't get the kill. Also, if the game is lagging, that may cause some problems as well. When you snipe someone and you see blood coming out of them but they don't die, that's also because of lag. This problem exists in every Halo game including Halo 1. In fact, on Halo PC, the lag can make so that you ram someone at full speed but all it does is just pushes them aside and doesn't even hurt them. Same with other weapons in Halo 1. You could unload all your ammo in the AR and not even hurt a player when it lags. This probably happens with Xbox Connect but I can't be sure.

In terms of online play, Halo 1 fails. It is always laggy. Especially because the PC version lets player with Dial-Up connections play. Halo 2 does a little better compensating for the lag. Halo 3 does a splendid job of compensating but obviously no game can be lag free when it's online.

  • 10.09.2009 12:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: thewhorocker15
But just because some physics are more realistic, that doesn't mean gameplay has improved. I will try to break down gameplay between Halo 1 and 3 again:

Halo 1 had greater weapon balance than Halo 3. This is primarily due to the weapon inconsistencies in Halo 3 VS consistent weapons in Halo 1. Let's take a look at a Pistol fight in Halo 1 and a BR fight in Halo 3....

Two people get into a Pistol fight in Halo 1. They have to lead their shots correctly, which takes a considerable amount of skill. One player correctly places three shots at his opponent's head, and successfully gets the kill because his opponent could only land 2 headshots and one shot to the body. There was a clearly defined skill gap in Halo 1 due to consistent weapons.

Two players get into a BR fight in Halo 3. Both of them have an equal BR skill, but one of Player A's BR shots doesn't register due to the inconsistent weapons of Halo 3, and Player B gets the kill as a result. Player B just won a BR fight because he got lucky that Player A's BR didn't work. I don't see how anyone could think that this is fair.

Weapon inconsistencies like this make Halo 3 a very unfair game. It makes gameplay based on luck rather than skill. Sure, it's great for player's who only get to play when they're at their friend's house, or even those who only like to play Actionsack. But for everyone else, this luck based gameplay is very bad.

Every weapon in Halo 1 was balanced correctly. Yes, the Pistol was a monster, but so was every other weapon. Think about the range and power of the shotgun, the power of the Assault Rifle, the speed of the Rockets, the freezing effect of the Plasma Rifle, and so on... The Pistol as a starting weapon only furthered this balance of gameplay because every weapon was so strong and the pistol could properly defend you in nearly any situation. It could be no means overpower a player with a power weapon, but it made it so you had a fair chance at least to defend yourself.

Every weapon in Halo 3 is extremly weak and inconsistent. No weapon can shoot across the map, turning gameplay into a very slow paced stalemate. If you're an active Halo 3 player, you very well know about the problem where you clearly shoot a player in the head with a Sniper Rifle, see blood come out of his head, but he still lives. How often did that happen in Halo 1 or 2?

These forum sections are biased, I will agree with that. We can agree though that the voting booth thread I sent you a link to was in a non-biased section (when relating to this subject). People have all said the same thing, Halo 1 > Halo 3. And the people that respond as to why they think Halo 3 is the better game is either because they havn't played any other Halo, or because it's the most messing around-style fun.


1.Well in Halo 3, most weapons can't shoot across the map because that's more realistic. If everyone weapon was an infinite range weapon, then what's the point of a sniper rifle? Why not just use a shotgun to snipe someone instead? That'd be much more efficient and you have less of a chance of missing.

2.In Halo 3, BR shots always register. The reason why some shots may not appear to register is because Halo 3 BR shots are spread out like a real weapon would be. Halo 2 BR's were hitscan weapons which always registered and won't spread. So because the shots are spread out, if one of the 4 bullets fired misses, then that may be by you don't get the kill. Also, if the game is lagging, that may cause some problems as well. When you snipe someone and you see blood coming out of them but they don't die, that's also because of lag. This problem exists in every Halo game including Halo 1. In fact, on Halo PC, the lag can make so that you ram someone at full speed but all it does is just pushes them aside and doesn't even hurt them. Same with other weapons in Halo 1. You could unload all your ammo in the AR and not even hurt a player when it lags. This probably happens with Xbox Connect but I can't be sure.

3.In terms of online play, Halo 1 fails. It is always laggy. Especially because the PC version lets player with Dial-Up connections play. Halo 2 does a little better compensating for the lag. Halo 3 does a splendid job of compensating but obviously no game can be lag free when it's online.


1. That's not realism. That's balance.

2. It happens in EVERY game. What's your point? Besides, and a random bullet spread generator annoys me. You can miss without it being your fault.

3. Because Halo 1 didn't have any netcodes? You can't judge a game from 2001 to one from 2007. Completely different generations in gaming. Plus on the PC version, I never lag. Join games with people from your country. (Mine's Australia)

  • 10.10.2009 6:45 AM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
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50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.

Halo 3 is unfair, like many weps are n00bified, where some other weapon is so weak. And does many many options and slightly better graphics = better game? Oh, and halo 3 has hdd install issues.

  • 10.10.2009 6:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: JacobGRocks
Halo 3 is unfair, like many weps are n00bified, where some other weapon is so weak. And does many many options and slightly better graphics = better game? Oh, and halo 3 has hdd install issues.



I think Halo: CE is best, but I have to say everything you just said isn't true, except HDD install.

No weapons are 'n00bified' name one. No weapons are to weak either. Having more options does add to the overall game experiance, as you can customize it to any gameplay style you like.

  • 10.10.2009 6:57 AM PDT

Excellent game - I bought it during it's first week.

But the fact is it's older and things have moved on. That is all.

  • 10.10.2009 7:17 AM PDT

Bring Back Rocket Race!!!

Posted by: JacobGRocks
Halo 3 is unfair, like many weps are n00bified, where some other weapon is so weak. And does many many options and slightly better graphics = better game? Oh, and halo 3 has hdd install issues.



I actually never noticed any issues with the HDD install. Plus, ODST has been optimized for HDD install this time.

And yes, more features and better graphics cards do make a better game. When you buy a new PC, would you rather buy one that's only good for word processing? Or would you rather buy one thats good for gaming, music, videos, internet, and has a powerful graphics card? What kind of computer do you think is better? The best computer in 2001? Or the best computer today?

  • 10.10.2009 8:04 AM PDT