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ok ive heard alot of people saying they want a toned down br but i dont know why so could you please tell me why u dont want the br in reach

  • 08.04.2009 10:17 AM PDT
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For skilled players, the BR is an easy kill against lesser skilled players, giving the lesser skilled players a smaller chance at winning, causing them to give up on Halo.

  • 08.04.2009 10:18 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Is this another BR v AR thread?
Back on point, who has ever said they dont want the BR in Reach? It is slightly overpowered I would say, and toning it down could make it more playable, but thats just my opinion.

  • 08.04.2009 10:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: GHOST REVOLVER
For skilled players, the BR is an easy kill against lesser skilled players, giving the lesser skilled players a smaller chance at winning, causing them to give up on Halo.


yea, pro beats noobs.
danm, that game really sucks.

  • 08.04.2009 10:20 AM PDT

Posted by: NME Overlord
Is this another BR v AR thread?
Back on point, who has ever said they dont want the BR in Reach? It is slightly overpowered I would say, and toning it down could make it more playable, but thats just my opinion.


no its not br vs assult rifle as i like both wepons and think both are ok but i would like to know why ive seen so many friends saying make the br weaker and give me back ce pistol

  • 08.04.2009 10:22 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Posted by: jonesy90000
Posted by: NME Overlord
Is this another BR v AR thread?
Back on point, who has ever said they dont want the BR in Reach? It is slightly overpowered I would say, and toning it down could make it more playable, but thats just my opinion.


no its not br vs assult rifle as i like both wepons and think both are ok but i would like to know why ive seen so many friends saying make the br weaker and give me back ce pistol


Glad its not, i just read too much into things, sorry man. Surely as the BR is only introduced during Halo 2, and the CE Pistol is in Halo: CE, so maybe you could think that the BR has not been issued to the UNSC untill Halo 2, so the CE pistol may well appear mainly due to timelines. I could be wrong, and Bungie might not want it because of its overpower, but it would make chronological sense not to have the BR and to have the Pistol.

  • 08.04.2009 10:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Here are my thoughts on the Halo 3 BR and why it should be toned down.

[Edited on 08.04.2009 10:32 AM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 10:32 AM PDT

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I kind of hope its removed and replaced by something else. Don't get me wrong, I want a weapon like the BR (a weapon that works well in all ranges) but I am tired of using the BR. We have had to use it for two games, I think its time for something new. If it isn't removed then oh well, but I'm not sure if it needs to be toned down though. The only reason why I would want it toned down is to give other weapons (like the plasma rifle, spiker, and smg) more of a fighting chance.

[Edited on 08.04.2009 10:58 AM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 10:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: FinestCrimson
I kind of hope its removed and replaced by something else. Don't get me wrong, I want a weapon like the BR (a weapon that works well in all ranges) but I am tired of using the BR. We have had to use it for two games, I think its time for something new. If it isn't removed then oh well, but I'm not sure if it needs to be toned down though. The only reason why I would want it toned down is to give other weapons (like the plasma rifle, spiker, and smg) more of a fighting chance.


....HAY, LETZ REMOV TEH ROKET LAWNCHAIR BECUZ iTz BEN IN TEH LAST 3 GAEMS. SAEM 4 TEH SHOTGUNZ.

That logic has no sense, "It's been in 2 games, so I don't want it anymore"

Rockets, Shotgun, and Sniper were the same in all three games( pretty much) so Non of them can be in Reach.

  • 08.04.2009 11:01 AM PDT

Posted by: FinestCrimson
I kind of hope its removed and replaced by something else. Don't get me wrong, I want a weapon like the BR (a weapon that works well in all ranges) but I am tired of using the BR. We have had to use it for two games, I think its time for something new. If it isn't removed then oh well, but I'm not sure if it needs to be toned down though. The only reason why I would want it toned down is to give other weapons (like the plasma rifle, spiker, and smg) more of a fighting chance.


but dont they win agaist br when dual weilded

  • 08.04.2009 11:06 AM PDT

i don`t want it out of the game but i want it toned down so that it wont be the only gun you see in
multiplayer

  • 08.04.2009 11:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: FinestCrimson
I kind of hope its removed and replaced by something else. Don't get me wrong, I want a weapon like the BR (a weapon that works well in all ranges) but I am tired of using the BR. We have had to use it for two games, I think its time for something new. If it isn't removed then oh well, but I'm not sure if it needs to be toned down though. The only reason why I would want it toned down is to give other weapons (like the plasma rifle, spiker, and smg) more of a fighting chance.


....HAY, LETZ REMOV TEH ROKET LAWNCHAIR BECUZ iTz BEN IN TEH LAST 3 GAEMS. SAEM 4 TEH SHOTGUNZ.

That logic has no sense, "It's been in 2 games, so I don't want it anymore"

Rockets, Shotgun, and Sniper were the same in all three games( pretty much) so Non of them can be in Reach.

Do you see Rocket launchers, Shotguns, and Snipers littered around the map in a normal slayer gametype? No. Do you want to know what weapon is usually littered around almost every map? The BR. You don't see everybody running around with rocket launchers or snipers in a normal slayer gametype. What you do see is almost everybody running around with a BR and an AR (only because its a spawn weapon).

  • 08.04.2009 11:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: FinestCrimson
I kind of hope its removed and replaced by something else. Don't get me wrong, I want a weapon like the BR (a weapon that works well in all ranges) but I am tired of using the BR. We have had to use it for two games, I think its time for something new. If it isn't removed then oh well, but I'm not sure if it needs to be toned down though. The only reason why I would want it toned down is to give other weapons (like the plasma rifle, spiker, and smg) more of a fighting chance.


....HAY, LETZ REMOV TEH ROKET LAWNCHAIR BECUZ iTz BEN IN TEH LAST 3 GAEMS. SAEM 4 TEH SHOTGUNZ.

That logic has no sense, "It's been in 2 games, so I don't want it anymore"

Rockets, Shotgun, and Sniper were the same in all three games( pretty much) so Non of them can be in Reach.


I think you misunderstood him/her. I think he/she meant the BR has dominated gameplay for 2 games. Weapons like the shotgun, rocket, and sniper are all power weapons that you get a few times a game (if that). There are multiple BR spawns on every map (are there BR's in every map?) that means every player can have a BR whereas only one person (occasionally) can have a power weapon. Dual weilding only beats the BR at close range, but that's not saying much since the BR was built for longer ranges.

I too would like a change to the BR (or possibly its removal altogether), so that other weapons can play larger roles in their maps.

  • 08.04.2009 11:17 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Meh, I think that Plasma Rifles, Plasma pistols, needlers, and Frag grenades are too old as well, they are way to overused. I mean, they've been in all the games!

  • 08.04.2009 11:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: P3P5I
I think you misunderstood him/her. I think he/she meant the BR has dominated gameplay for 2 games. Weapons like the shotgun, rocket, and sniper are all power weapons that you get a few times a game (if that). There are multiple BR spawns on every map (are there BR's in every map?) that means every player can have a BR whereas only one person (occasionally) can have a power weapon. Dual weilding only beats the BR at close range, but that's not saying much since the BR was built for longer ranges.

I too would like a change to the BR (or possibly its removal altogether), so that other weapons can play larger roles in their maps.

This person knows exactly what I meant.
Posted by: privet caboose
Meh, I think that Plasma Rifles, Plasma pistols, needlers, and Frag grenades are too old as well, they are way to overused. I mean, they've been in all the games!

Even though you are being sarcastic, those were poor examples. None of those weapons are overused. Look at almost everyones most used weapon, you will most likely see the BR at the top of the list (and by a large margin). Even though they have been in all 3 games, they are hardly ever used (except for frag grenades, but those are necessary), so why remove them?

[Edited on 08.04.2009 11:27 AM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 11:19 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

If that's the case, then I guess we can expect to see no Ar(been in 2 games) no BR (been in 2 games) no SMG ( been in 2 games) or Carbine(been in 2 games)

  • 08.04.2009 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
If that's the case, then I guess we can expect to see no Ar(been in 2 games) no BR (been in 2 games) no SMG ( been in 2 games) or Carbine(been in 2 games)

Once again, some of those are poor examples. The AR is really only used as much as it is because its a spawn weapon. If it weren't a spawn weapon, the amount of use it has would be decreased. The SMG is hardly ever used, so there is no reason to remove it. The carbine is supposed to rival the BR, yet how many people do you see run around with a carbine especially with the amount of BR spawns on each map? Close to none.

  • 08.04.2009 11:41 AM PDT

ok this is what ive got from the thread so far, correct me if im wrong.

the br can get more kills than a normal wepon in a singal round if you get near all perfect shots. (witch leads to exsperienced players owning less acurate players.)

also its ability to go out of its medium range comfort zone and into long range witch can devitate the ar or hold back a sniper

and the rival wepon that can pose a major threat to the br (carbine) cant be found as easily

finaly could it be that its not just the wepon but that theres also almost never a time when you cant get your hands on a br.

[Edited on 08.04.2009 11:49 AM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 11:46 AM PDT

Posted by: urk
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The BR is too much of an unfair weapon. Of course "skilled" players use it, it's overpowered. While the AR's range depicts where the bullets are useless, the BR's range is longer and can be used beyond where the riticule is red. It kills in four bursts of three bullets. It's highly accurate and good players can dominate a match with only that weapon. Other weapons have weaknesses, like the SMG's accuracy or the sniper ineffectiveness at close-range, but the BR doesn't. It's what we'd get if someone decided to make a portable, non-nuclear WMD.

I made a thread yesterday talking about it. All I want is a slower rate of fire to make it more fair. I don't care if "then noobs will be killing us easily" then that means that you should be even better than that and kill them first. With a slower rate of fire, the BR becomes a medium-long range weapon and other weapons aren't made completely useless in Multiplayer. Where one team would once dominate with BRs, the other can fight them off without them. The BR will still be uselful at a distance, but when one team is close you better switch up.

I'm pretty good at Halo. I always have to use the BR to survive, and that is stupid. I miss the old days when you'd pick up a weapon in Halo and use it rather than scrounge around for a BR. What I suggested keeps SWAT and MLG intact, but makes the game accessable to new players.

[Edited on 08.04.2009 12:08 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 12:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: RabidNutCase45
The BR is too much of an unfair weapon. Of course "skilled" players use it, it's overpowered. While the AR's range depicts where the bullets are useless, the BR's range is longer and can be used beyond where the riticule is red. It kills in four bursts of three bullets. It's highly accurate and good players can dominate a match with only that weapon. Other weapons have weaknesses, like the SMG's accuracy or the sniper ineffectiveness at close-range, but the BR doesn't. It's what we'd get if someone decided to make a portable, non-nuclear WMD.

I made a thread yesterday talking about it. All I want is a slower rate of fire to make it more fair. I don't care if "then noobs will be killing us easily" then that means that you should be even better than that and kill them first. With a slower rate of fire, the BR becomes a medium-long range weapon and other weapons aren't made completely useless in Multiplayer. Where one team would once dominate with BRs, the other can fight them off without them. The BR will still be uselful at a distance, but when one team is close you better switch up.

I'm pretty good at Halo. I always have to use the BR to survive, and that is stupid. I miss the old days when you'd pick up a weapon in Halo and use it rather than scrounge around for a BR. What I suggested keeps SWAT and MLG intact, but makes the game accessable to new players.

I support this idea.

  • 08.04.2009 12:24 PM PDT

Posted by: jonesy90000
ok this is what ive got from the thread so far, correct me if im wrong.

the br can get more kills than a normal wepon in a singal round if you get near all perfect shots. (witch leads to exsperienced players owning less acurate players.)

also its ability to go out of its medium range comfort zone and into long range witch can devitate the ar or hold back a sniper

and the rival wepon that can pose a major threat to the br (carbine) cant be found as easily

finaly could it be that its not just the wepon but that theres also almost never a time when you cant get your hands on a br.


i forgot to say all theys facts are true but i would like to point out my argument i have made about the br


1)the fact the br can get more than one kill relys on the player using the br being good anoth to get the all perfect shots, i have never met someone who is this good.

2)the br beging able to use long range was made to hold down snipers and thats why i dont complain about its range

3+4) if the amout of brs on all maps were lowered and covement carbines highered to only a few lower the br could be countered.

  • 08.04.2009 12:37 PM PDT

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If everyone spawns with a BR there is no problem. Are you complaining that skilled players own the less skilled players? BLASPHEMY! If everyone starts with the same weapon, it's fair game.

  • 08.04.2009 12:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: GHOST REVOLVER
For skilled players, the BR is an easy kill against lesser skilled players, giving the lesser skilled players a smaller chance at winning,
Yes... causing the ranking system to work. But there's no logic in that, right? causing them to give up on HaloHalo 1 did perfectly fine and it was more about skill than Halo 2 and 3 put together. Hell, if noobs didn't love Halo 1 there would have been no Halo 2 or 3.

[Edited on 08.04.2009 12:49 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 12:45 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
If everyone spawns with a BR there is no problem. Are you complaining that skilled players own the less skilled players? BLASPHEMY! If everyone starts with the same weapon, it's fair game.


if that was aimed at me no i love the br and think if everyone spawns with it, its pefect but if your in a game were you spawn with a pistol and a ar, its far to easy to get a ar (so we need to lower the amount on the map)

  • 08.04.2009 12:48 PM PDT

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