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Subject: Are you gonna not buy ODST cause NO BR WTF??!?!
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Iam enjoying Halo Reach and revisiting some past Bungie games, iam a big fan of Bungie and their online community.

Why would i not buy a game because it had a weapon reduction thats so incignificant to my enjoiment that it meant it was slightly harder.

  • 08.04.2009 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: THE3400
odst was in the time the unsc just made the BR so most likey the BR will be there and halo reach probly wont have the BR because it's before Halo: combat evolved.
i think the br was a test weapon at the time in reach,and in the beginnig of halo 2 the br was found in an old unsc base,but this comes from books

  • 08.04.2009 4:00 PM PDT
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The only problems I've EVER had with the BR, stem from stereotypes against the AR, the fact that jerks of the MLG community (not all MLG players are jerks, just the ones who seem to come to these forums) endorse it as a God weapon (it's not a God weapon and can even be put down by an AR user who knows how to use the weapon, from a considerable distance like say the middle of Valhalla to just in front of one of the bases without having to reload), and that too many maps become INCREDIBLY unbalanced when you spawn with the weapon.

To name a few maps that become unbalanced when you spawn with a BR...

Sandbox, Standoff, Valhalla.

Now, I'm not complaining that the BR shouldn't EVER be used... But these maps REQUIRE you to play with the BR. And many of these maps initially had something like 4-6 BR spawns on it, without the BR start.

My complaint about the BR has always been the poor design quality of the maps themselves. Spawning out-of-cover, on top of your base, is BAD with BR starts. You'll die before you ever get anywhere, because you just respawned and can't coordinate an effective counter-attack to an enemy who KNOWS where you will spawn and has you pinned down. Many of the maps spawn you out of cover or nowhere near an advantageous position (like behind all the enemies, so you can at least teach them not to spawn camp with the weapon).

Certain maps work WONDERFULLY with the BR starts because of the layout of the map and the abundant cover. But others suffer GREATLY from map layout and lack of cover. And on these maps a BR start might as well just be "only weapon on the map" instead of "BR start" because there's no need to ever pick up anything different. You spawn with the best weapon on the map and therefore, there isn't a need to pick up anything else except maybe a rocket launcher or spartan laser. Or, in some cases, a sniper rifle. 98% of your kills and the enemy kills on these maps will be with the BR.

But other than that, I love the weapon. It's just the maps that tend to make the weapon hated amongst people and with myself.

If they took it out of ODST or never intended to have it, I don't see it as much of a problem. It's not like I have to rely on it for a kill. Indeed, duals are among my top ten weapons. My playstyle relies on mobility and proximity instead of remaining static from a distance.

In any case, regardless of weapons in ODST, as long as the needler is in it, I'll probably be using that more than the SMG or Pistol.

  • 08.04.2009 4:08 PM PDT

Posted by: radical00edward
If its Halo i will buy it haha.
Me too. lol

  • 08.04.2009 5:30 PM PDT

I'm just buying it no matter what guns are in it
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  • 08.04.2009 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tai MT
The only problems I've EVER had with the BR, stem from stereotypes against the AR, the fact that jerks of the MLG community (not all MLG players are jerks, just the ones who seem to come to these forums) endorse it as a God weapon (it's not a God weapon and can even be put down by an AR user who knows how to use the weapon, from a considerable distance like say the middle of Valhalla to just in front of one of the bases without having to reload), and that too many maps become INCREDIBLY unbalanced when you spawn with the weapon.

To name a few maps that become unbalanced when you spawn with a BR...

Sandbox, Standoff, Valhalla.

Now, I'm not complaining that the BR shouldn't EVER be used... But these maps REQUIRE you to play with the BR. And many of these maps initially had something like 4-6 BR spawns on it, without the BR start.

My complaint about the BR has always been the poor design quality of the maps themselves. Spawning out-of-cover, on top of your base, is BAD with BR starts. You'll die before you ever get anywhere, because you just respawned and can't coordinate an effective counter-attack to an enemy who KNOWS where you will spawn and has you pinned down. Many of the maps spawn you out of cover or nowhere near an advantageous position (like behind all the enemies, so you can at least teach them not to spawn camp with the weapon).

Certain maps work WONDERFULLY with the BR starts because of the layout of the map and the abundant cover. But others suffer GREATLY from map layout and lack of cover. And on these maps a BR start might as well just be "only weapon on the map" instead of "BR start" because there's no need to ever pick up anything different. You spawn with the best weapon on the map and therefore, there isn't a need to pick up anything else except maybe a rocket launcher or spartan laser. Or, in some cases, a sniper rifle. 98% of your kills and the enemy kills on these maps will be with the BR.

But other than that, I love the weapon. It's just the maps that tend to make the weapon hated amongst people and with myself.

If they took it out of ODST or never intended to have it, I don't see it as much of a problem. It's not like I have to rely on it for a kill. Indeed, duals are among my top ten weapons. My playstyle relies on mobility and proximity instead of remaining static from a distance.

In any case, regardless of weapons in ODST, as long as the needler is in it, I'll probably be using that more than the SMG or Pistol.
Am I really that dum? I never thought about that. Thank you for the insight.

  • 08.05.2009 5:00 AM PDT

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If there was a BR in the game there would be no use for the Pistol. Also, it's just a game. We don't need to hear about your problems with a game.

  • 08.05.2009 5:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Siffera13
If there was a BR in the game there would be no use for the Pistol. Also, it's just a game. We don't need to hear about your problems with a game.
See that's where your wrong. It's a discussion. Sorry if you think otherwise.

  • 08.05.2009 5:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: GRUNT BUD
I agree I hate BRs ever since MLG came piopular in Halo 3 and everyone started using them and all that -blam!- the game became really annoying.

me too...i agree

  • 08.05.2009 5:07 AM PDT

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Battle Rifle = Fail

  • 08.05.2009 5:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: SyN R3V4N
Battle Rifle = Fail
Battle Rifle isn't all fail. It is actually really affective if used right, but it would've been better to keep the AR and Pistol combo throughout the Halo series.

  • 08.06.2009 5:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Blue Max70
I cant' aim, and I need a weapon that can kill in 6 bullet + melee with a crazy bullet magnetism and a reticle as big as half of my hand. I can't outBR someone and I get my ass handed to me on H3.


hi my name is z0rgy and im think im mlg pro cuz i r good wit a BR and uhh my name makes me sound like pro!1!@ .



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It'll be like old times. Halo never had a BR55 unless prgramed in with the PC's custom edition.

I remember being pissed when they removed the MA5B. Then I was angrier when the cut down version, the MA5C, came into Halo 3. But I loved the new guns. The new M6S and M7S look nice and at least we have MA5Cs in the game. The ViDOC revealed alot of info that satisfied me anyway/ I'll buy the game becuase I'm interested in stealth. Silenced guns will open a a whole new level of ass kicking.

  • 08.06.2009 5:29 AM PDT

I can't imagine how much better the community would be without you guys arguing all the time.

"BR FTWWWWW"
"NO WAYYZ BR STINKS!!"

Who cares? Its a gun and the question is asking if you are going to buy ODST. Yes, I am. And I'll be happy to take a break from the BR.
Some people use some guns better than others. It's all opinionated. There's no reason to argue over it.

  • 08.06.2009 6:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: RabidNutCase45
People bought Halo: CE and no one complained that there wasn't a BR.


Right...because the BR didn't exist. lol

  • 08.06.2009 6:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Blue Max70
I cant' aim, and I need a weapon that can kill in 6 bullet + melee with a crazy bullet magnetism and a reticle as big as half of my hand. I can't outBR someone and I get my ass handed to me on H3.


fixed.

STFU, and GTFO, BR scrub.

  • 08.06.2009 6:08 AM PDT
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The BR's a great weapon, but it's a jack of all trades, master of none. Close range? It's worse than shottys, maulers, ARs, PRs, spikers, whatever. Long range? It's worse than the sniper and the beam rifle. The only thing that makes it useful is it's versatility. It quite effective at close range, and it's quite effective at long range, but it's also effective at medium range. No other weapon is as good in terms of all-round ability.

That's why so many people use them, because they have to if they want to stand a chance of winning a one-on-one, and just in case of close range combat, bring an AR. I have to use a BR if I want to win a game, because without it, I'd be caught out in a situation where I'm not close enough to my opponent (who's using the BR) to deal any real damage on too many occasions. Here's hoping the Halo: Reach Beta won't feature a BR, for the sake of balanced gameplay, where people have to use alternative weapons.

I'd prefer an SMG/Magnum combo anyday to a BR, but unless it's team duals, it's not effective enough at long range.

  • 08.06.2009 6:10 AM PDT
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Edit: Oops, double post. Umm... H3 ODST FTW!!!

[Edited on 08.06.2009 6:15 AM PDT]

  • 08.06.2009 6:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: tomgaz
The BR's a great weapon, but it's a jack of all trades, master of none. Close range? It's worse than shottys, maulers, ARs, PRs, spikers, whatever. Long range? It's worse than the sniper and the beam rifle. The only thing that makes it useful is it's versatility. It quite effective at close range, and it's quite effective at long range, but it's also effective at medium range. No other weapon is as good in terms of all-round ability.

That's why so many people use them, because they have to if they want to stand a chance of winning a one-on-one, and just in case of close range combat, bring an AR. I have to use a BR if I want to win a game, because without it, I'd be caught out in a situation where I'm not close enough to my opponent (who's using the BR) to deal any real damage on too many occasions. Here's hoping the Halo: Reach Beta won't feature a BR, for the sake of balanced gameplay, where people have to use alternative weapons.

I'd prefer an SMG/Magnum combo anyday to a BR, but unless it's team duals, it's not effective enough at long range.
The magnum should atleast have the uplink scope to your visor.

  • 08.09.2009 4:56 AM PDT

Posted by: RabidNutCase45
People bought Halo: CE and no one complained that there wasn't a BR.


i wonder why (they dint know about it)


oh and op it wasnt just the people that dint like the pistol, it was the simple reson being able to kill someone with 3-4 pistol shots long range no fails wasnt good for balancing resons :P


id also like to say in alot of games theres a wepon thats balanced in everything (normaly you start with it) and in this game its the br so deal with.

[Edited on 08.09.2009 5:04 AM PDT]

  • 08.09.2009 5:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: Blue Max70
I cant' aim, and I need a weapon that can kill in 6 bullet + melee with a crazy bullet magnetism and a reticle as big as half of my hand. I can't outBR someone and I get my ass handed to me on H3.


fixed.


You sir, are fail. It's this bullspit (Peachtree TV movies) that makes everyone hate people like you because it's supposedly the best weapon in the game. It really isn't. I out-BR people with Magnums. Shotgun vs BR = Shotgun, AR vs BR = AR, Plasma Rifle vs BR = Plasma Rifle. The BR is really horrible. So stop blaspheming this "BR IS DA BESTEST WEPPIN EVAR" crap and stick to your MLG and leave us normal players alone. We don't like your kind so...in the words of Gollum: "Leave now, and never come back!"


Dude, you should actuallly try to test that out, everyone knows that 1v1 plasma rifle, vs. Battle Rifle, Battle rifle wins hands down, and Assault Rifle vs Battle Rifle, once again battle rifle wins.

Now with the Shotgun, If I got you with nothing but a shotgun and you're bout 50 feet away from me running towards me like a maniac, you're gonna be BRd EVERYTIME!

so stop making false assumptions.

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Posted by: Darth Kooky
Posted by: RabidNutCase45
People bought Halo: CE and no one complained that there wasn't a BR.


That's because it hadn't been designed yet. The BR is good for taking out Grunts and Jackal Marksmen. That's it. Otherwise, give me a Shotgun or a Rocket Launcher any day.
Actually yes the Battle Rifle was created before REACH, if you read the novels you would know.

  • 08.09.2009 5:21 AM PDT

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the battle rifle was designed and invented in 2525, while halo CE takes place in 2552. Don't believe me go and read Contact Harvest for yourselves. But then again half the kids on these forums are attending failed public schooling, so they don't know how to read.

IT WAS AROUND, it just wasn't present in Halo CE...

[Edited on 08.09.2009 5:30 AM PDT]

  • 08.09.2009 5:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: Blue Max70
I cant' aim, and I need a weapon that can kill in 6 bullet + melee with a crazy bullet magnetism and a reticle as big as half of my hand. I can't outBR someone and I get my ass handed to me on H3.


Iam a MLG wanna be Nub and I cant handle a little CQB cause iam a PUS.


Fixed

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1. Br did exist in Halo CE. ITS CALLED THE PISTOL. Probably the most overused weapon in CE, just like the BR is in Halo 3.
2. There is going to be a BR-like weapon in Halo 3 ODST. I saw the covenant carbine in a firefight video on youtube.
3. Mud. Kip.

  • 08.09.2009 5:33 AM PDT