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Subject: Why doesn't anyone realize FF is like Survival on L4D?

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I mean seriously, if you think about it, it's basically the same thing. You try and defend yourselves for as long as you can and not die. The only difference is that you respawn in ODST and in L4D you don't. I think it's a very close similarity. Anyone with me?

Edit: QUIT THINKING I'M COMPLAINING! I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE COMPARED IT TO GOW2 AND WAW I JUST THINK PEOPLE COULD CREDIT L4D ALSO! JESUS people THINK for once!

[Edited on 08.04.2009 11:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2009 11:12 PM PDT

Yes same with horde, whats new?

  • 08.04.2009 11:13 PM PDT

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u could say the same about zombie mode in cod and hord in gears. so stop complaining, every game has that mode.

  • 08.04.2009 11:15 PM PDT
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yea thats why its called SURVIVAL mode, just like how halo is an FPS. and before you make a thread like "OMG halo copied off Gears, COD, and L4D!" they didnt cause game types l ike this have been around forever.

  • 08.04.2009 11:16 PM PDT

Datass

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that everyone compares it to Horde and -blam!- Zombies and yet no one ever realizes that it's also the same as Survival. I personally love L4D better than WAW or GoW2 ANY day

  • 08.04.2009 11:16 PM PDT

Datass

And I'm not a dumbass, I've been gaming since probably before you were alive Nuchy, I know games for survival have been around forever...

  • 08.04.2009 11:17 PM PDT

Its also like Gears of Wars Horde Mode

  • 08.04.2009 11:19 PM PDT

So what? Survival modes aren't a new concept.

The appeal of ODST's is the fact that Halo's combat is amazing and the ai is amazing and allows for a high potential in level design/ variety

  • 08.04.2009 11:19 PM PDT

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Well, umm. Technically it's impossible to ''steal'' it. Due to the fact that bungie mixed around with it and improved it. Adding skulls (Makes it feal more halo). You are facing covenant (not zombies like WaW). You have the same weapons, characters from ODST. It's their own mode. I'm not saying your complaining, however some people are.

  • 08.04.2009 11:24 PM PDT

Datass

for christ's sake, does ANYONE read posts besides the OP? IM NOT SAYING THEY STOLE IT!

  • 08.04.2009 11:26 PM PDT

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There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

It's very different. You made the basic statement, they are both survival mode, but.

1. ODST has greater variety of enemies, weapons, environments, etc.
2. ODSTs respawn
3. I enjoy Halo 3's playstyle more
4. The Halo 3 AI is a lot smarter (Don't give me BS about the AI director, it's just some system to randomly dump zombies)

  • 08.04.2009 11:27 PM PDT

Datass

Posted by: Phoenix9508
It's very different. You made the basic statement, they are both survival mode, but.

1. ODST has greater variety of enemies, weapons, environments, etc.
2. ODSTs respawn
3. I enjoy Halo 3's playstyle more
4. The Halo 3 AI is a lot smarter (Don't give me BS about the AI director, it's just some system to randomly dump zombies)

1. Actually ODST has only 8 environments that we've even heard of (somewhere around there thats not an exact statement) through only LEAKED things that we're not even sure are real, and L4D has almost 20 different environments.
2. The halo 3 AI is basically the same, as all it does is randomly bring in phantoms with random dumps that drop RANDOM AI, that can find you just as easily as L4D's.
3. L4D has a more complex sort of respawn where if everyone dies it auto-resets rather than completely exiting the game.
4. I'm not saying I like either game better, as I like games produced by Valve and Bungie pretty much equally (although I prefer PC gaming over console gaming, there's a LOT fewer "Squeakers".)

  • 08.04.2009 11:32 PM PDT
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  • 08.04.2009 11:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: jesseklol
I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that everyone compares it to Horde and -blam!- Zombies and yet no one ever realizes that it's also the same as Survival. I personally love L4D better than WAW or GoW2 ANY day
Its closer to Marathon's Endurance mode.

  • 08.04.2009 11:46 PM PDT

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I don't think you are allowed to talk about bungie on Bungie.net.

Posted by: jesseklol
I mean seriously, if you think about it, it's basically the same thing. You try and defend yourselves for as long as you can and not die. The only difference is that you respawn in ODST and in L4D you don't. I think it's a very close similarity. Anyone with me?


That's quite a generalization. There are tons of games with survival mode.

  • 08.05.2009 12:45 AM PDT
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Space invades, nuff said.

  • 08.05.2009 1:00 AM PDT

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This is the thing that gets me....Bungie had something similar to FF in Marathon and alot of other games back then did....one studio brings back the old formula and then everyone thinks it's THEIR idea...it's quite annoying really because they didn't come up with it, they reused it and then fanboys start dissing other games for having that feature.

All games should get credit for their own individual formulas for these features!

Yes FF is like survival mode, yes it's like horde mode, yes it's like zombie mode..but when it comes down to it....IT DOESN'T MATTER....have fun....enjoy the game...stop complaining about cool things!

  • 08.05.2009 1:02 AM PDT
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Left 4 dead was not the first game to ever have a survival mode. So what if Fire Fight isnt the first to do it? Guess what. Halo also wasn't the first game to ever have a campaign or competitive multiplayer mode either.

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  • 08.05.2009 1:16 AM PDT

Datass

Posted by: Hunterman
This is the thing that gets me....Bungie had something similar to FF in Marathon and alot of other games back then did....one studio brings back the old formula and then everyone thinks it's THEIR idea...it's quite annoying really because they didn't come up with it, they reused it and then fanboys start dissing other games for having that feature.

All games should get credit for their own individual formulas for these features!

Yes FF is like survival mode, yes it's like horde mode, yes it's like zombie mode..but when it comes down to it....IT DOESN'T MATTER....have fun....enjoy the game...stop complaining about cool things!


Just as I figured... NO ONE READS MORE THAN THE OP

  • 08.05.2009 1:20 AM PDT

Posted by: jesseklol
I JUST THINK PEOPLE COULD CREDIT L4D ALSO! JESUS people THINK for once!


No, we're not going to credit L4D also because the idea for Firefight wasn't taken from L4D's Survival mode. If YOU think for once, you'll realize that this type of "survival" gametype has been around for a long time, and the only person that deserves credit is the person who invented this concept in the first place.

  • 08.05.2009 1:26 AM PDT

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None of those games are original. Some of the first survival gametypes were in marathon, many years ago. (made by bungie)

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Posted by: jesseklol
I mean seriously, if you think about it, it's basically the same thing. You try and defend yourselves for as long as you can and not die. The only difference is that you respawn in ODST and in L4D you don't. I think it's a very close similarity. Anyone with me?

Edit: QUIT THINKING I'M COMPLAINING! I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE COMPARED IT TO GOW2 AND WAW I JUST THINK PEOPLE COULD CREDIT L4D ALSO! JESUS people THINK for once!

You are an idiot, survival/hold out modes have been in games since the begining of tme.

  • 08.05.2009 2:01 AM PDT
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I have heard Firefight compared to LFD Survival

  • 08.05.2009 2:12 AM PDT

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  • 08.05.2009 4:41 AM PDT

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Firefight is so much more different than Survival.

1. You fighting enemies, with guns! It changes the feel and flow completely. You need to take cover and avoid gun fire. It's nothing like L4D's Survival expect the concept.

2. The Skull's shift and change the combat, so it's different every time. L4D's Survival Mode despite the A.I director is the same structure every time. Plus Firefight adds vehicles into the mix which makes it unique.

3. Firefight has different waves etc. Survival times you to see how long your going to survive. The structure of the game type is different.

  • 08.05.2009 4:59 AM PDT

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