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Subject: Is Bungie going to cater to the scrubs?
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Posted by: Blade
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I am sorry, but MLG is a joke.

MLG isn't the joke. The OP is a joke for using the word "scrub" to insult someone who isn't as good at a video game.

  • 08.08.2009 8:48 PM PDT
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No.

Scrub is one of my favorite words next to shenanigans and lascivious.

[Edited on 08.08.2009 10:06 PM PDT]

  • 08.08.2009 10:06 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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Posted by: weird death guy
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
]So wait, you think that equipment that ultimately helps the better players is for scrubs?

Are you slow?

Casual players, (players who don't play as much) have a lower chance of knowing where the equipment spawns. They have less of a chance of knowing how to use it. They have less of a chance to know how to use it.

If you don't use the equipment, I would say you should look in the mirror, you might just see a "Scrub".


How hard is it to accidentally run over a bubble sheild, and press X when you're about to die, negating a legitimate kill for the better player? I'll admit, I use equipment when I have it, but it's because I put myself in a bad position, and it is an out. IMO, people shouldn't be allowed to have a get out of trouble free button. It makes no sense that someone who works for a kill should be denied that at the press of a button. What advantages does the attacker have in that situation? Skill is not a physical entity, it won't make you run faster or shoot stronger bullets.

Oh wait, Colonel Grade 2 with a negative K/D. That explains it...
Kid with no-life would bring a rank from a video game into this.

A good player knows to carry around a close range weapon and a far range weapon. The "scrub" who throws out a bubble shield would be screwed if you just went over there with a mauler, sword, AR, shotgun, gravity hammer, plasma pistol, plasma rifle or even a sniper! Regen is the same thing.

Also, if you were good, you wouldn't care about 1 kill that you didn't get because of equipment. Also, you admitted you use equipment, because you put yourself into a bad position! If you were good, you wouldn't put yourself in a bad situation.


P.S. Before you go criticizing me on my kill to death ratio, you better learn your math. I do not have a "negative" kill to death ratio. It is impossible to have a "negative" kill to death ratio, unless I have never gotten any kills.
You tool.

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  • 08.08.2009 10:15 PM PDT

Nothing is better than gaming through the day, into the night, then back into the day. It's like when you finally push that power button you feel like you've accomplished nothing, but at the same time, you can't stop smiling.

When you play MLG and you're playing against less skilled players, you can really see the skill gap.

  • 08.08.2009 10:20 PM PDT

O.P your a tool

  • 08.08.2009 11:50 PM PDT

Sent the map 11/27. Hope it all goes well.

It takes a little bit of time to understand the gameplay, but it takes tremendous skill to understand what each weapon can do and how to use it effectively.

Bungie has already achieved that. OP just can't spend enough time to understand it yet, and would rather complain on a forum.

  • 08.09.2009 1:41 AM PDT

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
Posted by: tacomaster13
-Thanks to Rocket Turtle for pointing out my typing follies.

i think we need 3 distinct game catagories:
Social: random gametypes with different weapon starts (like social slayer now)
Ranked: BR (or equivalent) starts only. A mixture of objective and slayer modes. perfect for people like me, the majority of halo's audience
Hardcore: MLG, SWAT etc.
of course these catagories would have different playlists within them.
I think this pretty much pleases everyone.

  • 08.09.2009 1:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: PainRelief1
It takes a little bit of time to understand the gameplay, but it takes tremendous skill to understand what each weapon can do and how to use it effectively.

Bungie has already achieved that. OP just can't spend enough time to understand it yet, and would rather complain on a forum.


lol i guess im not you and i dont have time to -blam!- sit around and learn each weapons advantages and disadvantages. i use BR and sniper. why would i need to know any other weapons when i can kill just fine with them?

  • 08.09.2009 1:52 AM PDT

It all lies in the level of availiable customization. If you want to play more competitively tone down the spread, increase speed, turn on the radar, turn on button combos. These types of options wouold make the game cater to everyone not "MLG wannabes" or "Scrubs" it would make a game thats fun for everyone, wich is what bungie and the community should be asking for instead of this idea that the game can only work for one style of play.

Also, please stop bashing the MLG players, the stereotype of the MLG Wannabe is typically of a discription of a person not even involved in the MLG community. Those types of people are usually unliked there just like they are here.

  • 08.09.2009 6:01 AM PDT

Woop woop.

Posted by: Ass Grade 5, I don't care about his damn K/D
Posted by: Commander Grade 3, Negative K/D
Posted by: HLG Commander Grade 3, Negative K/D.
I play social, I don't fully concentrate, I betray mates for laughs, and I go goosin'.

In other words, I enjoy the game.


This. This is win.


Unfortunately, Team Killing and Racing are not part of an FPS. Go join the army, or play a racing game.
Yeah, because It's not like dying is a part of the army, It's not like you can get out of your Ferrari and blow a guy up, but I see that MLG has blinded you.

  • 08.09.2009 6:14 AM PDT
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Iam enjoying Halo Reach and revisiting some past Bungie games, iam a big fan of Bungie and their online community.

Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
Make it for whoever, but keep as many options available so that if people want to play a different way, they can.


Thats why Bungie games work.

  • 08.09.2009 6:50 AM PDT

Too many average gamers these days want their games spood-fed to them on a silver platter. Anytime someone raises a suggestion to make a game more difficult, more skill, or more of a challenge, the scrubs raise up their arms in disgust because they for the life of them can't seem to play or think of a game challenging them.

The scrubs also like to insult those who want a harder challenge by calling them "no-lifes", or "MLG-wannabes", or "it's just a game, stop taking it so serious."

As long as Microsoft is the publisher of these titles, Bungie has their hands tied onto how "difficult" this game will be.

A lot of people are thinking Reach is going to be some Halo Combat Evolved-style game...and if I were you, I wouldn't get my hopes up. The studio that was once Bungie who created HCE is no longer in existence. What you see now is what you are going to get.

  • 08.09.2009 7:01 AM PDT

Posted by: PainRelief1
It takes a little bit of time to understand the gameplay, but it takes tremendous skill to understand what each weapon can do and how to use it effectively.

Bungie has already achieved that. OP just can't spend enough time to understand it yet, and would rather complain on a forum.


How much time did it honestly take you to figure out that the AR is a 6-shot plus a melee = death? How difficult is it to figure out duel wielding? There's nothing difficult in this game other than if you've never held a controller that has two analog sticks, and you're trying to play a shooter for the first time.

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE

Halo 3 is a great balance to casual/hardcore. Obviously the hardcore players have the advantage, they know much more things about the game, and they can easily out BR, out AR, out skill many casual players.


1. How is Halo 3 a great mix between casual and Hardcore gamers?? If I can shoot someone 3 times, and then they throw a regen or Bubble, how is that good balance?? The scrub gets off with a new life, while the guy that gets him to one shot is left in the middle of the process, waiting for someone to shotty him or sword lunge from 20 feet away. HOW IS THAT RIGHT?
So wait, you think that equipment that ultimately helps the better players is for scrubs?

Are you slow?

Casual players, (players who don't play as much) have a lower chance of knowing where the equipment spawns. They have less of a chance of knowing how to use it. They have less of a chance to know how to use it.

If you don't use the equipment, I would say you should look in the mirror, you might just see a "Scrub".


I'm sorry but If this game has been out for 2 years and you don't know where equipment spawns at or how to use it then you should get in the back of the line as far as wanting Bungie to design a game that caters to your "skill" level.

  • 08.09.2009 7:11 AM PDT

The equipment in H3 is no different from the perks system in COD4. It's a crutch for scrubs. How difficult is it to press X for a bubble or a regen and basically get an extra life back?

People need to open up their eyes...but hey, scrubs can't do that, they're blind.

  • 08.09.2009 7:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Posted by: weird death guy
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
]So wait, you think that equipment that ultimately helps the better players is for scrubs?

Are you slow?

Casual players, (players who don't play as much) have a lower chance of knowing where the equipment spawns. They have less of a chance of knowing how to use it. They have less of a chance to know how to use it.

If you don't use the equipment, I would say you should look in the mirror, you might just see a "Scrub".


How hard is it to accidentally run over a bubble sheild, and press X when you're about to die, negating a legitimate kill for the better player? I'll admit, I use equipment when I have it, but it's because I put myself in a bad position, and it is an out. IMO, people shouldn't be allowed to have a get out of trouble free button. It makes no sense that someone who works for a kill should be denied that at the press of a button. What advantages does the attacker have in that situation? Skill is not a physical entity, it won't make you run faster or shoot stronger bullets.

Oh wait, Colonel Grade 2 with a negative K/D. That explains it...
Kid with no-life would bring a rank from a video game into this.

A good player knows to carry around a close range weapon and a far range weapon. The "scrub" who throws out a bubble shield would be screwed if you just went over there with a mauler, sword, AR, shotgun, gravity hammer, plasma pistol, plasma rifle or even a sniper! Regen is the same thing.

Also, if you were good, you wouldn't care about 1 kill that you didn't get because of equipment. Also, you admitted you use equipment, because you put yourself into a bad position! If you were good, you wouldn't put yourself in a bad situation.


P.S. Before you go criticizing me on my kill to death ratio, you better learn your math. I do not have a "negative" kill to death ratio. It is impossible to have a "negative" kill to death ratio, unless I have never gotten any kills.
You tool.


No offense, but people like this are the reason why level 47-50 is a complete joke and just about everyone at that level is just as "good" as you can get at Halo 3. Let's just assume for a second that you're not trying to pat yourself on the back and look cool in a forum by telling people they have no life. Wouldn't you think someone that plays Halo all day would have a far better understanding of the game than you do?

I don't get how all the casual players get to be experts on gameplay mechanics yet they still have such super busy lives outside of Halo. The game has been out for two years and IMO there is probably about 1000 to 4000 people or so that really play this game enough at a high enough level to have the right to critique it. Bungie really needs to stop listening to people like this guy and make Halo Reach like trickle down economics, give everything to the people at the top and let people who think 3 games a day means you have no life continue to be oblivious to whats really going on.

Why do the people who constantly tell others they have no life and play Halo too much the ones who get the game designed to their tastes? Halo is in danger of turning out to be just like everything else that's really cool when it starts and then gets worse as more and more people jump on the bandwagon because they think that's the cool place to be.

I bet this guy probably plays a lot of Madden. Bungie please start making games for nerds again and not guys like this... of course he would think bubble shields are an integral part of Halo gameplay if he thinks 3 games a day is a lot.

  • 08.09.2009 7:32 AM PDT
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No offense, but people like this are the reason why level 47-50 is a complete joke and just about everyone at that level is just as "good" as you can get at Halo 3. Let's just assume for a second that you're not trying to pat yourself on the back and look cool in a forum by telling people they have no life. Wouldn't you think someone that plays Halo all day would have a far better understanding of the game than you do?

I don't get how all the casual players get to be experts on gameplay mechanics yet they still have such super busy lives outside of Halo. The game has been out for two years and IMO there is probably about 1000 to 4000 people or so that really play this game enough at a high enough level to have the right to critique it. Bungie really needs to stop listening to people like this guy and make Halo Reach like trickle down economics, give everything to the people at the top and let people who think 3 games a day means you have no life continue to be oblivious to whats really going on.

Why do the people who constantly tell others they have no life and play Halo too much the ones who get the game designed to their tastes? Halo is in danger of turning out to be just like everything else that's really cool when it starts and then gets worse as more and more people jump on the bandwagon because they think that's the cool place to be.

I bet this guy probably plays a lot of Madden. Bungie please start making games for nerds again and not guys like this... of course he would think bubble shields are an integral part of Halo gameplay if he thinks 3 games a day is a lot.


THANK YOU! i agree with you 100% bungie listens to the people that think they know what their talking about but really they dont. this post has made the most sense out of all the other posts.

  • 08.10.2009 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ooo Liquidz ooO
lol i guess im not you and i dont have time to -blam!- sit around and learn each weapons advantages and disadvantages. i use BR and sniper. why would i need to know any other weapons when i can kill just fine with them?

Awesome, you just invalidated any of your opinions on changing Halo game balance all by yourself. Couldn't have put it better myself, thanks for kicking your own ass buddy :)

And in response to that other guy who's apparently the only person alive who agrees with the OP: Halo 3 is one of the nerdiest games around, or you might say, with the highest potential for nerd-dom (making up words is fun!). I'm amazed this isn't obvious.

  • 08.10.2009 12:15 PM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


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Everybody just plays for fun. If you think that fun is trying to win every game, go ahead and do that. I think it's fun to just play, whether i win or not. Should the game be focused on you instead of me? No. It is focused towards everyone, and it should stay that way.

  • 08.10.2009 12:23 PM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


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$.50 in store credit.

Posted by: Ooo Liquidz ooO
Posted by: PainRelief1
It takes a little bit of time to understand the gameplay, but it takes tremendous skill to understand what each weapon can do and how to use it effectively.

Bungie has already achieved that. OP just can't spend enough time to understand it yet, and would rather complain on a forum.


lol i guess im not you and i dont have time to -blam!- sit around and learn each weapons advantages and disadvantages. i use BR and sniper. why would i need to know any other weapons when i can kill just fine with them?
The BR is the biggest noob weapon if you didnt notice. It has a larger clip than most guns, less spread than most guns, kills with less bullets than most guns, and is easier to find than any gun. Explain to me how a weapon with more range, accuracy, damage, and ammo is more skilled than an AR.

Every weapon takes skill in some way. As i just demonstrated, you can easily say that any weapon takes little to know skill. The BR, like every other weapon, has advantages and disadvantages. It is no harder to be good with a BR than a magnum or AR.

  • 08.10.2009 12:30 PM PDT
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"You must be mistaken, Reclaimer. I've met your makers, and they don't even know your name..."

I'm rather ashamed this thread has a place on the forums. Perhaps Bungie should simply make a playlist only to cater to the elitist, ignorant folk of Halo 3? They could call it something nice, so the trolls' egos wouldn't get in the way.. something professional. Major League, I suppose. That would do. It beats Minor League, at any rate. And I suppose they could add "Gaming" onto the back of that. Descriptive, you see?

Major League Gaming. It's perfect! Now all the elitists can trash talk each other and stay out of the way of the real gamers. In fact, I do believe such a playlist is already in the works.

  • 08.10.2009 12:36 PM PDT

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I am laughing like hell at all of the flaming in this thread. Just wanted to pop in and say:

Bad players should get stomped by good players. The bad players do not deserve to get a few kills against someone better than them per game just because of some random luck that screws over the better player. If the game took more skill to master (like Halo 1 did), then the bad player would not even be playing the good player, so there would be no need for that but of randomness that would help him have "fun" and cause the better player to not have fun.

If the game took more skill, then the bad players and good players would get separated very fast. Good players play other good players, and in a more skill oriented environment, they have more fun knowing they deserve the deaths they got. Bad players play other bad players, and they have more fun because though they can't aim well, the guy they're going against is just as bad at strafing.

It's simple. You make the game take less skill, you cater to the casual majority. You make the game take more skill, you cater to the casual majority AND the hardcore minority (thanks to the ranking system).

[Edited on 08.10.2009 12:52 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2009 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ooo Liquidz ooO
seriously. lets make this game more serious. its stupid them trying to make it good for both the serious players and the guys that play 3 games a day and dont give a -blam!-. lets add a little more skill into the mix. idk how but its not me to come up with the ideas its them. im just putting my two cents in thats all.


Wait...you're saying that it's bad for a developer to create a game that caters for as many people as possible and that instead they should focus completely on a small (yet dedicated) population of their customers.

Get real pal.

  • 08.10.2009 12:47 PM PDT

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