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i thought that odst wouldn't cost $60 because it isn't a full game. Its basically the same maps as halo3 but you added 3 and there is firefight....

  • 08.10.2009 1:49 PM PDT

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Mkay. Bungie said taht it wasn't a full game, but Microsoft determines the price. Blame Microsucks.

  • 08.10.2009 1:50 PM PDT

50$ more like it.

  • 08.10.2009 1:50 PM PDT

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  • 08.10.2009 1:50 PM PDT

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  • 08.10.2009 1:50 PM PDT

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oh great sumone else b!+chin over the price.

  • 08.10.2009 1:51 PM PDT

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No, Bungie said its much more than they expected. So pretty much it's a full game.

  • 08.10.2009 1:52 PM PDT

Yes, but they added much more like...

Halo reach beta

firefight

3 new maps

long campaign

everything that halo 3 offers

it is worth more than $60

  • 08.10.2009 1:52 PM PDT
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Blame Microsoft. If it were left to Bungie, I'd imagine that it would be the price of an expansion.

  • 08.10.2009 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Da Weeman1
Yes, but they added much more like...

firefight

3 new maps

short campaign

everything that halo 3 offers

it is worth less than $60


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  • 08.10.2009 1:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Da Weeman1
Yes, but they added much more like...

Halo reach beta

firefight

3 new maps

long campaign

everything that halo 3 offers

it is worth more than $60

Why do people keep including the beta in the price when a beta is usually free?

  • 08.10.2009 1:53 PM PDT

the game has grown from an expansion into a full game... so yes it's $60

the game has a brand new campaign which will be a little shorter than halo 3 (but not by much)
and a whole new multiplayer mode called firefight which has 8 maps...

yes it's worth $60, don't complain...

  • 08.10.2009 1:55 PM PDT

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the beta means nothing. it is now a full retail title. here's my reason why(posted a few times so i'm just copying and pasting now from my other posts, so sorry if it seems at all out of context)

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.

  • 08.10.2009 1:56 PM PDT

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Bungie said it was a $40 game. At that same time, they said it was just a 3-5 hour campaign.

Since then, the Campaign has grown considerably, Firefight has been added, and the project has grown more ambitious than ever thought. So if you want the $40 version, cut off Firefight and a few hours of Campaign. Disc 2 was always planned, however.

  • 08.10.2009 1:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: dangerbyrnes
the game has grown from an expansion into a full game... so yes it's $60

the game has a brand new campaign which will be a little shorter than halo 3 (but not by much)
and a whole new multiplayer mode called firefight which has 8 maps...

yes it's worth $60, don't complain...


Forgot to mention that you are paying for halo 3 map packs as well and its mutliplayer counterpart all over again.

  • 08.10.2009 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix1330


you are grasping at straws there bud.

  • 08.10.2009 1:58 PM PDT

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i am releaved that that is all it costs. I brought ninety dollars when i went to preorder it. It has a -blam!- load of stuff bundled with it.

  • 08.10.2009 2:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix1330


you are grasping at straws there bud.

no i'm being realistic, and showing you from a buisness stand piont. this fits all the requirements of a full game.you may not agree that it's fair because you expected less, but as i showed the maps packs aren't even included in the price description

  • 08.10.2009 2:07 PM PDT
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  • 08.10.2009 2:09 PM PDT

Posted by: I Intrepid I
Posted by: dangerbyrnes
the game has grown from an expansion into a full game... so yes it's $60

the game has a brand new campaign which will be a little shorter than halo 3 (but not by much)
and a whole new multiplayer mode called firefight which has 8 maps...

yes it's worth $60, don't complain...


Forgot to mention that you are paying for halo 3 map packs as well and its mutliplayer counterpart all over again.


that's because it's a bonus, free, given to you...

it has nothing to do with the price

and besides.... when have expansions not cost the same as the original game?

example 1

example 2

oh would you look at that... the expansion costs pretty much the same amount as the original game

...please shut up

[Edited on 08.10.2009 2:25 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2009 2:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
Posted by: I Intrepid I
Posted by: Phoenix1330


you are grasping at straws there bud.

no i'm being realistic, and showing you from a buisness stand piont. this fits all the requirements of a full game.you may not agree that it's fair because you expected less, but as i showed the maps packs aren't even included in the price description

It's bigger than Halo 3, but did anyone say that it was too expensive? Just goes to show ignorant people can get. Oh, and you sound like you'd be a pretty good business-man.

[Edited on 08.10.2009 2:27 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2009 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Es Showtime
i thought that odst wouldn't cost $60 because it isn't a full game. Its basically the same maps as halo3 but you added 3 and there is firefight....


With that 60$ you get:

1. Halo 3: ODST campaign
2. Co-op Campaign
3. Fire-Fight Campaign
4. Theater Mode
5. Halo: Reach Beta Invitation
6. Halo 3: Mythic, a Halo 3 disc including all the multiplayer maps including 3 new ones, it doesn't have Halo 3 campaign on it, but it does have Halo 3 Multiplayer. So it is a Multiplayer only disc.
7. Vidmasters Achievements, Completing the rest of the vidmaster achievements will unlock Recon Armor.

So for 60$ you get alot, you basically get like another Halo 3 disc exclusively for multiplayer with all the maps on it, which equals to less harddrive space.

  • 08.10.2009 2:36 PM PDT

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5. Halo: Reach Beta Invitation

Why do people keep on putting in the beta?! Betas are usually free!

  • 08.10.2009 2:40 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

the beta is free please see my post above as to why it's this price.

  • 08.10.2009 2:46 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: Phoenix1330
Posted by: I Intrepid I
Posted by: Phoenix1330


you are grasping at straws there bud.

no i'm being realistic, and showing you from a buisness stand piont. this fits all the requirements of a full game.you may not agree that it's fair because you expected less, but as i showed the maps packs aren't even included in the price description

It's bigger than Halo 3, but did anyone say that it was too expensive? Just goes to show ignorant people can get. Oh, and you sound like you'd be a pretty good business-man.


lol thanks...

I'm a soldier by trade though.

  • 08.10.2009 2:46 PM PDT

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