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Subject: New Assault Rifle idea

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Posted by: SS_Crow
Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: The EAKLE
[quote]Posted by: Tonoottu
[quote]Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR is less powerful. It kills in 16 bullets, a BR kills in twelve. And dont even try to say "It's harder to hit with a BR!" The BR's bullet spread is nothing compared to the AR's, or any other weapon's for that matter. The AR's only advantage is a faster rate of fire, which only helps at very close range. If someone is at the edge of your radar and you have an AR, it takes over half the clip before the AR actually lands 16 shots and kills.

About the "You need a perfect BR to get a 4 shot." That is not as hard as people think. Yes, landing four head shots is pretty hard at a distance, but you actually only need three body shots and one head shot, which isnt that hard. Even if you cant land the four shots, the BR's clip size allows for mistakes. You can miss two shots on both kills and still get two kills before reloading.

Also the AR is only use one way effectively and thats with the meelee if we had the Halo CE meelee with a slight lunge (like one spartan stride approximitly 1.5m) and had the Halo CE momentum meelee damage where it was like three meelees to kill two if you mangage a jump twice and meelee. then we could decease the AR cone and make it more of a shooting oriented weapon instead of this current meelee oriented weapon

Try to keep in mind that when more than one person is lighting you up with the AR, you are pretty dead within 2 seconds.

and If there are two BRs you are also dead pretty fast, and you may not even be that close. Its called teamshot and if your cordinated enough to teamshot you should be killing faster by the fact that 2>1. Hell me and my friends teamshot with magnums in social slayer and kill pretty quick.

[Edited on 08.11.2009 11:19 AM PDT]

  • 08.11.2009 11:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: SS_Crow
Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: The EAKLE
[quote]Posted by: Tonoottu
[quote]Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR is less powerful. It kills in 16 bullets, a BR kills in twelve. And dont even try to say "It's harder to hit with a BR!" The BR's bullet spread is nothing compared to the AR's, or any other weapon's for that matter. The AR's only advantage is a faster rate of fire, which only helps at very close range. If someone is at the edge of your radar and you have an AR, it takes over half the clip before the AR actually lands 16 shots and kills.
About the "You need a perfect BR to get a 4 shot." That is not as hard as people think. Yes, landing four head shots is pretty hard at a distance, but you actually only need three body shots and one head shot, which isnt that hard. Even if you cant land the four shots, the BR's clip size allows for mistakes. You can miss two shots on both kills and still get two kills before reloading.

Also the AR is only use one way effectively and thats with the meelee if we had the Halo CE meelee with a slight lunge (like one spartan stride approximitly 1.5m) and had the Halo CE momentum meelee damage where it was like three meelees to kill two if you mangage a jump twice and meelee. then we could decease the AR cone and make it more of a shooting oriented weapon instead of this current meelee oriented weapon

Try to keep in mind that when more than one person is lighting you up with the AR, you are pretty dead within 2 seconds.

and If there are two BRs you are also dead pretty fast, and you may not even be that close. Its called teamshot and if your cordinated enough to teamshot you should be killing faster by the fact that 2>1. Hell me and my friends teamshot with magnums in social slayer and kill pretty quick.

Im just throwin this out there, but teamshot doesnt take any amount of coordination. Nor is it REAL teamwork, it is fake teamwork, REAL teamwork incorporates a proper balance of weapons among teammates so you can all cover eachothers weak points. Along with proper zoning on a map, using field of view to cover as much of the map with the eyes of you and your teammates as possible. THAT takes coordination.

  • 08.11.2009 11:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: SS_Crow
Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: The EAKLE
[quote]Posted by: Tonoottu
[quote]Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR is less powerful. It kills in 16 bullets, a BR kills in twelve. And dont even try to say "It's harder to hit with a BR!" The BR's bullet spread is nothing compared to the AR's, or any other weapon's for that matter. The AR's only advantage is a faster rate of fire, which only helps at very close range. If someone is at the edge of your radar and you have an AR, it takes over half the clip before the AR actually lands 16 shots and kills.

About the "You need a perfect BR to get a 4 shot." That is not as hard as people think. Yes, landing four head shots is pretty hard at a distance, but you actually only need three body shots and one head shot, which isnt that hard. Even if you cant land the four shots, the BR's clip size allows for mistakes. You can miss two shots on both kills and still get two kills before reloading.

Also the AR is only use one way effectively and thats with the meelee if we had the Halo CE meelee with a slight lunge (like one spartan stride approximitly 1.5m) and had the Halo CE momentum meelee damage where it was like three meelees to kill two if you mangage a jump twice and meelee. then we could decease the AR cone and make it more of a shooting oriented weapon instead of this current meelee oriented weapon

Try to keep in mind that when more than one person is lighting you up with the AR, you are pretty dead within 2 seconds.

and If there are two BRs you are also dead pretty fast, and you may not even be that close. Its called teamshot and if your cordinated enough to teamshot you should be killing faster by the fact that 2>1. Hell me and my friends teamshot with magnums in social slayer and kill pretty quick.

Yah I know. But thats the whole point, you have to consider the fact that not every encounter is 1 v 1.
The AR is fine, it just needs to be a tad more flexible. The BR is almost perfect except that its frequency of fire lets it be a bit too effective in close quarters.

  • 08.11.2009 11:21 AM PDT

Posted by: SS_Crow
Try to keep in mind that when more than one person is lighting you up with the AR, you are pretty dead within 2 seconds.

And when more than one person is lighting you up with BRs, you can't even get one burst out before you are dead in like .5 seconds.

  • 08.11.2009 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: SS_Crow
Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: SS_Crow
Posted by: ramenloverninja
Posted by: The EAKLE
[quote]Posted by: Tonoottu
[quote]Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR is less powerful. It kills in 16 bullets, a BR kills in twelve. And dont even try to say "It's harder to hit with a BR!" The BR's bullet spread is nothing compared to the AR's, or any other weapon's for that matter. The AR's only advantage is a faster rate of fire, which only helps at very close range. If someone is at the edge of your radar and you have an AR, it takes over half the clip before the AR actually lands 16 shots and kills.

About the "You need a perfect BR to get a 4 shot." That is not as hard as people think. Yes, landing four head shots is pretty hard at a distance, but you actually only need three body shots and one head shot, which isnt that hard. Even if you cant land the four shots, the BR's clip size allows for mistakes. You can miss two shots on both kills and still get two kills before reloading.

Also the AR is only use one way effectively and thats with the meelee if we had the Halo CE meelee with a slight lunge (like one spartan stride approximitly 1.5m) and had the Halo CE momentum meelee damage where it was like three meelees to kill two if you mangage a jump twice and meelee. then we could decease the AR cone and make it more of a shooting oriented weapon instead of this current meelee oriented weapon

Try to keep in mind that when more than one person is lighting you up with the AR, you are pretty dead within 2 seconds.

and If there are two BRs you are also dead pretty fast, and you may not even be that close. Its called teamshot and if your cordinated enough to teamshot you should be killing faster by the fact that 2>1. Hell me and my friends teamshot with magnums in social slayer and kill pretty quick.

Yah I know. But thats the whole point, you have to consider the fact that not every encounter is 1 v 1.
The AR is fine, it just needs to be a tad more flexible. The BR is almost perfect except that its frequency of fire lets it be a bit too effective in close quarters.

True but to make the AR more flexible and useful while still not making it overpowered you need to do more than tweak the weapon the main reason people see the AR as a noob weapon is because the main tactic used with the AR is charging blindly forward shooting as much as you can before you finished them off with the Meelee. If we toned down the Meelee's power and lunge to Halo CE standards then we will have room to tweak the AR and have it not be overpowered.

  • 08.11.2009 11:31 AM PDT

It needs to be more accurate (current BR size aimer), and it needs a 40 round clip, 15 shots to kill, 10 head shots to kill.

10 rounds per second. Which is actually not that fast.
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Halo CE AR = Perfect.

Also, a melee should take down ones shields like in Halo 3, but it should have no lunge or aim assist, like in Halo 1.

[Edited on 08.11.2009 11:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.11.2009 11:33 AM PDT
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the best idea is..... NO AR :D

  • 08.11.2009 11:34 AM PDT

Change it's sound so you don't feel like such a b*tch using it.

  • 08.11.2009 11:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
It needs to be more accurate (current BR size aimer), and it needs a 40 round clip, 15 shots to kill, 10 head shots to kill.

10 rounds per second. Which is actually not that fast.
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Halo CE AR = Perfect.

Also, a melee should take down ones shields like in Halo 3, but it should have no lunge or aim assist, like in Halo 1.

True the AR needs to be more accurate but I have to disagree with you on the Meelees if the Meelee was to take down your shields like in Halo 3 you have open up an oppurtunity for the BR to be overpowering at close range with the meelee-headshot with the Halo CE meelee system this would happen and would force the BR to fight outside close range and allow the AR to have a better chance at beating the BR at close range.

  • 08.11.2009 11:53 AM PDT

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