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Subject: ODST pricing

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Here's my reason: It's an expansion.

Honestly, if you're all happy about it then fine, but don't come crying when Microsoft get the bright idea of raising the prices of games again. Of course, I'm buying it, I'm trading Halo 3 and a couple of other games I don't play anymore in for it, so I technically get it at an expansion price. But don't expect me to like the pricing, because I don't.

Im waiting for the part where its not just you b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g like the rest.
Reasons, please.

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Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Honourable Elite
Here's my reason: It's an expansion.

Honestly, if you're all happy about it then fine, but don't come crying when Microsoft get the bright idea of raising the prices of games again. Of course, I'm buying it, I'm trading Halo 3 and a couple of other games I don't play anymore in for it, so I technically get it at an expansion price. But don't expect me to like the pricing, because I don't.

Im waiting for the part where its not just you b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g like the rest.
Reasons, please.

Why must you insist on bypassing the swear filter? By all means, carry that on. It's the moderators who will have a problem with it. By the way, you contradicted yourself, you said I was the only one -blam!-ing like the rest. It's either I'm the only one, or not. Choose.

  • 08.11.2009 7:46 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: Baseball989
Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Baseball989
how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played a demo. I'm not doubting that the game will be great but you shouldn't be freaking out about a game you've never played.

Or how about, Have you seen a game thats new, for 360, that has been less then $60? Dont think so. And we've all seen the demos. That alone is $60, but there will be more. And "how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played a demo"-Yeah, so dont say its not worth $60 either.

First of all dumbass, I never said it wasn't worth 60 dollars and Second of all, what the hell did you just say? I didn't understand a word of that mumbling, jumbled together, piece of crap that you call a reply.

Obviously your the dumbass.
Heres my reply dumbed-down for you.
Have you seen a new game thats not $60? Answer, NO
We(the bungie community) have seen the demos, it looks worth $60, but Bungie will throw in other stuff(Like things you didnt see in the demo)
With me so far?
Then I did something called "Quoting" You. Like this
"how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played the demo"-You said that, right?
Then I stated that you contradicted yourself by saying that. Dont judge the game by saying its not worth $60.
If that doesnt help, Im sorry...

  • 08.11.2009 7:53 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Honourable Elite
Here's my reason: It's an expansion.

Honestly, if you're all happy about it then fine, but don't come crying when Microsoft get the bright idea of raising the prices of games again. Of course, I'm buying it, I'm trading Halo 3 and a couple of other games I don't play anymore in for it, so I technically get it at an expansion price. But don't expect me to like the pricing, because I don't.

Im waiting for the part where its not just you b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g like the rest.
Reasons, please.

Why must you insist on bypassing the swear filter? By all means, carry that on. It's the moderators who will have a problem with it. By the way, you contradicted yourself, you said I was the only one -blam!-ing like the rest. It's either I'm the only one, or not. Choose.

1. Idk, so you know what Im saying i guess.
2. I never said you were the only on, I wouldnt have made this forum. I was merely talking about your specific post.
3. I choose...B. "You are not alone"-Robert Neville.

  • 08.11.2009 7:56 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: MCTemPErENce
U ROCK

I know.

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Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Baseball989
Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Baseball989
how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played a demo. I'm not doubting that the game will be great but you shouldn't be freaking out about a game you've never played.

Or how about, Have you seen a game thats new, for 360, that has been less then $60? Dont think so. And we've all seen the demos. That alone is $60, but there will be more. And "how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played a demo"-Yeah, so dont say its not worth $60 either.

First of all dumbass, I never said it wasn't worth 60 dollars and Second of all, what the hell did you just say? I didn't understand a word of that mumbling, jumbled together, piece of crap that you call a reply.

Obviously your the dumbass.
Heres my reply dumbed-down for you.
Have you seen a new game thats not $60? Answer, NO
We(the bungie community) have seen the demos, it looks worth $60, but Bungie will throw in other stuff(Like things you didnt see in the demo)
With me so far?
Then I did something called "Quoting" You. Like this
"how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played the demo"-You said that, right?
Then I stated that you contradicted yourself by saying that. Dont judge the game by saying its not worth $60.
If that doesnt help, Im sorry...

I don't mean to jump in the middle of a fight here, but...
Command and Conquer 3 Kane's Wrath was released at expansion price. And he didn't contradict himself, he said he thought the game wasn't going to be that great, but he said don't judge the price and quality until you've actually played it. In other words he doesn't think that it's going to be that good, but he thinks that everyone shouldn't be judging the price versus quality until they've actually played it.

Again I don't mean any hostility by posting this I'm just trying to stop this from bursting out into one big flame war.

[Edited on 08.11.2009 7:58 PM PDT]

  • 08.11.2009 7:57 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: MCTemPErENce
Banjo kazoie was 40 clams new lasted 15 hours ODST will be 20 more claims last only 3 to 6 hours

What are you saying?

  • 08.11.2009 8:04 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Baseball989
Posted by: RepCom1138
Posted by: Baseball989
how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played a demo. I'm not doubting that the game will be great but you shouldn't be freaking out about a game you've never played.

Or how about, Have you seen a game thats new, for 360, that has been less then $60? Dont think so. And we've all seen the demos. That alone is $60, but there will be more. And "how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played a demo"-Yeah, so dont say its not worth $60 either.

First of all dumbass, I never said it wasn't worth 60 dollars and Second of all, what the hell did you just say? I didn't understand a word of that mumbling, jumbled together, piece of crap that you call a reply.

Obviously your the dumbass.
Heres my reply dumbed-down for you.
Have you seen a new game thats not $60? Answer, NO
We(the bungie community) have seen the demos, it looks worth $60, but Bungie will throw in other stuff(Like things you didnt see in the demo)
With me so far?
Then I did something called "Quoting" You. Like this
"how about you don't judge whether a game is worth 60 dollars or not before you've even played the demo"-You said that, right?
Then I stated that you contradicted yourself by saying that. Dont judge the game by saying its not worth $60.
If that doesnt help, Im sorry...

I don't mean to jump in the middle of a fight here, but...
Command and Conquer 3 Kane's Wrath was released at expansion price. And he didn't contradict himself, he said he thought the game wasn't going to be that great, but he said don't judge the price and quality until you've actually played it. In other words he doesn't think that it's going to be that good, but he thinks that everyone shouldn't be judging the price versus quality until they've actually played it.

Again I don't mean any hostility by posting this I'm just trying to stop this from bursting out into one big flame war.

None taken, but
1. Command and Conquer 3, was that a game, or an expansion? That makes all the difference
2. And by saying that I shouldn't pre-judge how well-worth it it'll be, He was being a hypocrite cause he was pre-judging how it wont be worth it.

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Posted by: RepCom1138
None taken, but
1. Command and Conquer 3, was that a game, or an expansion? That makes all the difference
2. And by saying that I shouldn't pre-judge how well-worth it it'll be, He was being a hypocrite cause he was pre-judging how it wont be worth it.

1. Tiberium Wars was a game, Kane's Wrath was a standalone expansion for the 360.
2. Well, that bit didn't really matter much to me. I was just trying to stop a flame war.

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hey this guy is making sense with senseless words, good job bro!

btw: yes all of these recent video game protesters are really getting on my nerves.

  • 08.11.2009 8:23 PM PDT

It's $60 for a six-hour single player campaign ($10 an HOUR people!!!). Including Halo 3's multi-player is nice, but I already bought the previous map-packs and doubt I'll be playing Fire-Fight much (especially since split-screen only supports two people).

Furthermore, the gameplay looks identical to previous iterations (two new weapons is pitiful for a full-priced retail game).

I'll be spending the $60 on Arkham Asylum -- which is a 12 hour campaign ($5 an hour), and is original, rather than an extension/expansion.

[Edited on 08.11.2009 8:26 PM PDT]

  • 08.11.2009 8:25 PM PDT

Posted by: ooskers
EDIT: the people that complain about the price are usually 9-12 year-olds that dont have jobs.
or no-lifed nerds that sit in there parents basement playing games and dont have jobs...
racist


heeyyy were in a recession

[Edited on 08.12.2009 8:48 AM PDT]

  • 08.12.2009 8:48 AM PDT

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Halo 3: ODST for 60$ which includes Halo 3: Mythic and Halo: Reach Beta Invitation = Win.

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Posted by: RepCom1138
I'm sick of all the stupid people b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g about the mother -blam!- price! ODST is a full-length game and more!
I challenge anyone to tell me otherwise. How is ODST not worth $60!?

Okay.

It's a boring game thats not worth $5.

  • 08.12.2009 8:51 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.

  • 08.12.2009 9:00 AM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Posted by: RepCom1138
None taken, but
1. Command and Conquer 3, was that a game, or an expansion? That makes all the difference
2. And by saying that I shouldn't pre-judge how well-worth it it'll be, He was being a hypocrite cause he was pre-judging how it wont be worth it.

1. Tiberium Wars was a game, Kane's Wrath was a standalone expansion for the 360.
2. Well, that bit didn't really matter much to me. I was just trying to stop a flame war.

Exactly. It was an EXPANSION. ODST is not.

  • 08.13.2009 12:17 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: Phoenix1330
just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.

You my friend, are a genius!
If that doesn't convince people...they fail at life.

  • 08.13.2009 12:23 PM PDT

xXxL05T50ULxXx

Posted by: dark wolf68
How does that make you feel?

lol
And thank you, when I clicked on this thread I'd thought it'd be another WHY IS IT $60!

Edit: Also, remember if you play on Legendary or Heroic that can also make the campaign go longer.

[Edited on 08.13.2009 12:50 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2009 12:48 PM PDT

"Let me turret, you suck at it. Don't be sad we all know it."

Posted by: L05T50UL
Posted by: dark wolf68
How does that make you feel?

lol
And thank you, when I clicked on this thread I'd thought it'd be another WHY IS IT $60!

Edit: Also, remember if you play on Legendary or Heroic that can also make the campaign go longer.

Really?...Interesting.

  • 08.13.2009 3:41 PM PDT

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