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Subject: Does it feel like an expansion or full on game?

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I don't know what to say. Without the Road to Recon, Beta, Extra Disk, New Maps and, Johnson to me it feels like a full game. However ODST comes with all of this and more. Giving it the expansiony feel.

I voted Both cause well it really is a combination of both, There is first time for everything, and Bungie has yet gain made another contribution to the world.


EDIT: I was adding a poll but clicked the wrong button.....fail on me

[Edited on 08.12.2009 6:13 AM PDT]

  • 08.12.2009 6:11 AM PDT

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it is a full game and a standalone game, i would not pre-order if it was a expansion.

  • 08.12.2009 6:13 AM PDT

It feels like a full game to me atleast.

  • 08.12.2009 6:13 AM PDT

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I was once on Bungie Faves. (Feb.7-15)
I'd like to know why I can't see the signatures of others of myself on the forum. I have made favs once, 7777 campaign kills, and I helped bring modders down when they were at their strongest

Hell man, I preordered the LE. I don't care what it is. Also I feel as if this Forum is beginning to discuss some really stupid crap nowadays. So I felt that I should start something a little refreshing :)


Posted by: YoshyWashy
it is a full game and a standalone game, i would not pre-order if it was a expansion.

  • 08.12.2009 6:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Searchbar
Why the hell don't people use meh?

To me it feels like a full game people may call it expansion just because it uses halo 3 engine.

  • 08.12.2009 6:17 AM PDT
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It's a full game. Bungie screwed themselves over by initially planning an expansion. Then they did their Bungie "add as much as possible" thing, and it became a full game. Microsoft then priced it as a full game. But it's still ingrained in the gaming mind as an expansion by and large. People won't look at content. They'll look at the price and the concept that it was intended to be an expansion. But it's a full game, better then most of what's hitting the market.

  • 08.12.2009 6:18 AM PDT

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Nah, i think it feels more like a full game rather than an expansion.

  • 08.12.2009 6:30 AM PDT

Feels like a full game with halo 3 multiplayer.

  • 08.12.2009 6:31 AM PDT

..........

Lets see
-9 hours of campaign (Thats just playing the missions) plus maybe 3 hours you could spend finding audio logs and stuff
-Firefight with tons of replayabilty
-Co-Op on both of those
-Reach Beta
-1000 Gamerscore

Yep that sounds like a full game to me

  • 08.12.2009 7:14 AM PDT

It's a full game, and I think it looks a lot like a full game.

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  • 08.12.2009 7:18 AM PDT
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Definitely a full game. Only 40 days now folks!

  • 08.12.2009 7:20 AM PDT

..........

Posted by: Halolover4
It's a full game, and I think it looks a lot like a full game.

Yep

  • 08.12.2009 7:21 AM PDT
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J D O S H

Full game in my opinion.

  • 08.12.2009 7:22 AM PDT

Real men use magnums.

I agree in that bungie messed up calling it an expansion, originally. It's completely a full game now. This will keep me busy for a year like halo 3.

  • 08.12.2009 7:54 AM PDT

No one bloody looks here.... So why are you?
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It needs to drop the "3" from it's title if you ask me, ODST shouldn't live under the shadow of Halo 3!
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  • 08.12.2009 7:55 AM PDT

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God I cannot wait for this game. I love how Bungie is throwing in all the extra stuff.

  • 08.12.2009 8:22 AM PDT

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So what if the saxophone is black?
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well bungie says it's now a full game, and Microsoft says it's a full game. let me detail as to why they are right:

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.

  • 08.12.2009 8:37 AM PDT
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^ He says full on game in case you didnt read.

But I agree, It's worth the sixty greenbacks.

  • 08.12.2009 8:40 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: colbertin08
^ He says full on game in case you didnt read.

But I agree, It's worth the sixty greenbacks.


i know he did this was just for those who WILL come and disagree

  • 08.12.2009 8:43 AM PDT

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Its worth 60$ since it includes the mythic maps and Halo: Reach Beta invitation, but the overall ODST game itself, I'd say its a somewhat fullgame, it only has the campaign, theater and Firefight with it, but I'd still say its a somewhat fullgame.

  • 08.12.2009 8:45 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: ElementL09
Its worth 60$ since it includes the mythic maps and Halo: Reach Beta invitation, but the overall ODST game itself, I'd say its a somewhat fullgame, it only has the campaign, theater and Firefight with it, but I'd still say its a somewhat fullgame.


well in reality we are 'spoiled with Halo' a full game only NEEDS campaign

  • 08.12.2009 8:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: ElementL09
Its worth 60$ since it includes the mythic maps and Halo: Reach Beta invitation, but the overall ODST game itself, I'd say its a somewhat fullgame, it only has the campaign, theater and Firefight with it, but I'd still say its a somewhat fullgame.


well in reality we are 'spoiled with Halo' a full game only NEEDS campaign


Standards of Games are going up, as gamers and consumers, we want more bang for our buck, meaning, okay, this has campaign, but I really wish it had some multiplayer or other mode to play in.

  • 08.12.2009 9:00 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: ElementL09
Posted by: Phoenix1330
Posted by: ElementL09
Its worth 60$ since it includes the mythic maps and Halo: Reach Beta invitation, but the overall ODST game itself, I'd say its a somewhat fullgame, it only has the campaign, theater and Firefight with it, but I'd still say its a somewhat fullgame.


well in reality we are 'spoiled with Halo' a full game only NEEDS campaign


Standards of Games are going up, as gamers and consumers, we want more bang for our buck, meaning, okay, this has campaign, but I really wish it had some multiplayer or other mode to play in.


yet the fact is you still don't need anything more than campaign. look at the force unleashed. it's indisputably a full game that was 60 bucks

  • 08.12.2009 9:03 AM PDT
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It feels like a full-on game. The plan from the beginning was a new HUD and player model, maybe minor gameplay changes, and some new levels. I'm sure it would have just been new levels. But now it's so epic there's no way I can call it an expansion, except if you take into account it's based off the Halo 3 engine.

  • 08.12.2009 9:09 AM PDT

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