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Subject: Heretic Default Grenades

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Posted by: hiippiie
Im dissapointed about Heretic being a Midship remake. Its going to be the whole Blackout thing again the MLGs wanted a Lockout remake, they got one and they never use it. Now they are never going to use Heretic. I would rather have an orginal map.
Maybe if Bungie stayed true to lockout then maybe Blackout would be alot more popular.
I prefer Blackout. Change is good. The map would've been boring if they kept all the geometry and weapons identical. Which is why I'm iffy on Heretic, Midship was a good map, I didn't care for it much but it was good. Hopefully they'll add slight improvements to the 2 plasma pistol rooms, so people will go there more and so it won't be as easily camped.

There's actually quite an aesthetic change to Heretic. Darker, more detail. Doors. Fancier holograms. That's seems to be about it, however.

[Edited on 08.13.2009 1:51 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2009 1:50 PM PDT
Subject: Heretic

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I was wondering when Bungie was finally going to implement this. I guess at the last possible second to get more hype for Heretic. If you go under "Game Settings" for a gametype, the "Grenades at Start" option has three basic choices.

1. "None"
It makes you spawn with no grenades.

2. "Regenerating"
It allows you to have three types of grenades that regenerate over time: Frag, Plasma, and Brute (commonly known as Spike).

3. "Map Default"
Whatever grenades the map is programmed to spawn you with, it will spawn you with two of those type.

Ever since I saw the "Map Default" setting I was expecting some of the maps to spawn you with Frags, others with Plasma, and the rest with Brute, but up until now they had all been just regular Frag starts.

  • 08.13.2009 2:09 PM PDT

I love it how everyone says that MLG people will whine and complain about the smallest faults in the game. The REAL people over at MLG (not the wannabe fan boys) are respectful, considerate, and thankful for what Bungie WILLINGLY does not only for MLG, but for the entire Halo community (see what I did there?). The interwebz would be a lot nicer if people stopped making stereotypes based off of a handful of rotten apples.

ALL of us expected Blackout to be a remake of H2 Lockout, and it was in many ways. Like people have stated before me, Bungie said that they would be changing a few things. Unfortunately, the things different about the map (Library window, the height and clear advantage BR tower has, awful spawns, no sight line from sniper ramp to BR 1 etc.) made the map less competitive and a lot less like the original Lockout. MLG decided, hesitantly, to not use Blackout in the circuit because of those reasons, not because it wasn't Lockout. In addition to that, if Bungie always gave MLG what it wanted, wouldn't they have released another Lockout remake by now? O_o

Now, we have seen many pictures of Heretic, and from the looks of it, it looks like Bungie has held up their promise to remake Midship. The following quote is taken from Destructoid's commentary on the three new Mythic Maps:

It's great to see Bungie listening to suggestions, as they mentioned the main reason for bringing "Midship" back as "Heretic" was fan service, and they seemed excited about being able to release it as close to a pixel for pixel reconstruction as possible.

Source here.

I would like to point out that Bungie made it as a "fan service", and also that they said that it is nearly an exact Midship replica. They never said that for Blackout. In addition, there is no mention whatsoever of MLG. But obviously, MLG will use this map if they deem it to be competitive. They will not automatically scrap the idea if it is not an exact remake; they will look at it as a (relatively) new map and make a decision.

Alright, there is my say to the people who went off-topic. Now on to the OT:

I remember when Midship default starts had Plasma Rifles and Grenades. The plasma grenade starts were fun, but I would like to have an option of plasma or frag start, just because. And the person who posted in front of me has the correct idea. Midship will probably be programmed to plasma grenades as the Map Default. Good Find.

  • 08.13.2009 2:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: hiippiie
Im dissapointed about Heretic being a Midship remake. Its going to be the whole Blackout thing again the MLGs wanted a Lockout remake, they got one and they never use it. Now they are never going to use Heretic. I would rather have an orginal map.


they wanted a exact remake which they didnt get so it didnt work. Bungie said Heretic is the same thing with the addition of equipment so it is very well possible MLG will use it.

  • 08.13.2009 3:06 PM PDT
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probably just how the gametype was made, or he had plasmas, and throw all his frags already

  • 08.13.2009 3:16 PM PDT

Posted by: xCoNsTiTuTiOnAl
probably just how the gametype was made, or he had plasmas, and throw all his frags already

No cause he just spawned and he spawned with only plasmas. Plus I think everyone else is right about it being the map default.

  • 08.13.2009 6:45 PM PDT

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