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Subject: "Sir, why the hell are you using that gun?"

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I have always had a single problem with the Halo Universe. Why are human weapons better than Covenant weaponry? I'm sure many of have read the books, a plasma pistol would drop a shield in a few shots, and burn through armour in one. So... why does plasma seem to have no effect on armour in Halo 3? I would like to see Halo: Reach use a system where Covenant weapons are far better. Also, I would like to see Spartans act much more like supersoldiers in combat, than marines. That is all.

  • 08.13.2009 2:12 PM PDT

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It was like that in Halo CE where a plasma pistol actually could kill someone. Hopefully, halo Reach goes back to the times when picking up a "crap" weapon could actually be worthwhile.

  • 08.13.2009 2:15 PM PDT

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Carbine is better then the Battle rifle. Plasma rifle is better then the Assault rifle at close range. Plasma pistol is a beast, nuff said.

Plasma doesn't have the piercing abilities that bullets do, so they aren't as effective at killing. They take down shields a hell of a lot faster. But they can't kill as easily as a bullet.

  • 08.13.2009 2:15 PM PDT

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Because Bungie wanted to make some money, so they made their game actually enjoyable.

  • 08.13.2009 2:17 PM PDT

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Actually, they are far better than bullets. They will melt through four-inch thick steel, VERY quickly. Can bullets do that?

  • 08.13.2009 2:18 PM PDT
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i think they did it so people would actualy use human weapons not just covie ones also to balence it out because in halo 3 defalult spawn weapon is the ar if your statement was true spawn killing would be a big problem but i think it would be fun acting like a super solider

  • 08.13.2009 2:18 PM PDT

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Thing is plasma weapons are barely ever used. They are rubbish compared to the Br and Ar.

  • 08.13.2009 2:20 PM PDT

Posted by: TheAnnihilator
Actually, they are far better than bullets. They will melt through four-inch thick steel, VERY quickly. Can bullets do that?

671 gr. .50 BMG can.

  • 08.13.2009 2:27 PM PDT

both points are because bungie want the game 2 be blanced.

1. the spartens are not super powered because they would always beet elites making playing as elie pointless.

2. if the plasma weponary was beeter no one would us unsc based wepons. each wepon has a covanent version of it plasma rifle/ assult rifle and so on.

3. the books are the books, the game is the game they arnt going to make them the same because then they wouldnt be interesting now would they!!??

  • 08.13.2009 2:40 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: TheEndIsNear NL
Because Bungie wanted to make some money, so they made their game actually enjoyable.

Halo CE was more fun than any of the other Halos. And I think that the weapons should be buffed back up to Halo CEs versions. Plasma was better, but harder to aim.

  • 08.13.2009 2:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: MickelPickel
It was like that in Halo CE where a plasma pistol actually could kill someone. Hopefully, halo Reach goes back to the times when picking up a "crap" weapon could actually be worthwhile.


I agree!

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Posted by: TheEndIsNear NL
Because Bungie wanted to make some money, so they made their game actually enjoyable.

Halo CE was more fun than any of the other Halos. And I think that the weapons should be buffed back up to Halo CEs versions. Plasma was better, but harder to aim.


Halo 1 > All.

[Edited on 08.13.2009 2:45 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2009 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: TheEndIsNear NL
Because Bungie wanted to make some money, so they made their game actually enjoyable.

Halo CE was more fun than any of the other Halos. And I think that the weapons should be buffed back up to Halo CEs versions. Plasma was better, but harder to aim.
True, but even the plasma weapons from Halo: CE are much weaker than the ones in the books. They behave in a whole different way too.

  • 08.13.2009 2:45 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: rhino boi3
both points are because bungie want the game 2 be blanced.

1. the spartens are not super powered because they would always beet elites making playing as elie pointless.

2. if the plasma weponary was beeter no one would us unsc based wepons. each wepon has a covanent version of it plasma rifle/ assult rifle and so on.

3. the books are the books, the game is the game they arnt going to make them the same because then they wouldnt be interesting now would they!!??


1. Spartans and Elites are of equal power and tactical capability. This is why when the Elites joined the battle on Reach, Most of the Spartans died.

2. Thats not true, in Halo CE it was better, but people still loved to use the AR and Magnum, because Plasma was harder to use, took better aim at farther distances.

3. The books and game are of the same universe, so the physics should maintain consistency.

  • 08.13.2009 2:45 PM PDT

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The AR is an awesome weapon, RESPECT IT AS SUCH!!!

because it would be rediculously hard to fight the covenant... can you imagine being shot at by grunts whe nyou are in a warthog? according to the books, the warthog should melt... that just wouldnt work

  • 08.13.2009 2:48 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: UntouchedNic
because it would be rediculously hard to fight the covenant... can you imagine being shot at by grunts whe nyou are in a warthog? according to the books, the warthog should melt... that just wouldnt work

In Halo CE and Halo 2 on legendary, a plasma rifle killed you in 4 shots. But it was still possible, in Halo 3, it takes the plasma rifle something like 12 shots to kill you, thats just too easy.

  • 08.13.2009 2:50 PM PDT

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  • 08.13.2009 2:59 PM PDT
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I agree. Plasma Weapons need much more power. Plasma burns through armour and flesh. Bullets just pierce flesh, and find it much harder to penetrate armour. Plus every single time I hear "Covenant weapons are much more stronger and are generations ahead of human weapons", I just laugh, that's not what they are like in Halo 3 at all.

Besides, Halo needs more "wow effect" added to their weapons. You get a nuke launcher in Fallout 3 which causes devasting effects. You got a trip mine in Halo 3 beta that actually did something. I could go on... But the weapons in Reach need to be stronger, they need to go back to the "Combat Evolved" stage and not "Combat Devolved".

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  • 08.13.2009 3:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheAnnihilator
Actually, they are far better than bullets. They will melt through four-inch thick steel, VERY quickly. Can bullets do that?

The kind of plasma that does that is comparable in mass to 16 inch guns. I don't many 16 inch guns that cannot blow through a 4 inch steel plate.

Along with this, the MAC guns are MUCH tronger than covenant weapons. the ships just suck, while the covenant's -blam!-. their weapons are also very effective against themselves.

  • 08.13.2009 3:15 PM PDT
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Once the shield is down plasma melts the armor and the person inside of it, read the books Spartans took a few hits from a plasma and they would die. And in the second book a marine was torn in half by a plasma shot from a mount plasma turret.

  • 08.13.2009 3:24 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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Posted by: TheAnnihilator
Actually, they are far better than bullets. They will melt through four-inch thick steel, VERY quickly. Can bullets do that?

The kind of plasma that does that is comparable in mass to 16 inch guns. I don't many 16 inch guns that cannot blow through a 4 inch steel plate.

Along with this, the MAC guns are MUCH tronger than covenant weapons. the ships just suck, while the covenant's -blam!-. their weapons are also very effective against themselves.

Actually, if you read the books, you would know that the Covenant ships have plasma weapons that can cut UNSC ships in half with one shot, and the Energy Projector can glass a planet, so it beats the MAC.

  • 08.13.2009 3:24 PM PDT

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u r right

  • 08.13.2009 4:16 PM PDT