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Subject: The end all "Classes" thread. Attempt #2

HAIL HALO!

Welcomes the "The end all "Classes" thread. Attempt #2"

This thread will NOT turn into a discussion about OP weapons in Call of Duty 4. You WILL stay on topic. You will NOT ruin the first page of my thread again. You WILL be shut the hell up if you dont have anything of value to offer to the arguement.


Heres how Im hoping this will happen. For the first 48 hours both sides will present their arguements. After 48 hours and ONLY after 48 hours people may post "yes: or "no" and I will tally them up and show the # here. And I will only count those who posted their vote after 48 hours and have read all arguements. at the end of 72 hours I will show the final score and one side will be declared victor.

My arguement is against classes because the only reason Halo had so many players after hits like Gears of War and Call of Duty were released is because it refused to change what it was. Would you enjoy Call of Duty with power weapons? Would you enjoy a first person Gears? No, because it takes away what makes each game unique and worth buying. If Bungie wants to make a new IP and have classes thats fine but while they use the name Halo there should be no classes.

  • 08.13.2009 4:22 PM PDT

OH MY JEEZUS NOTHING IS WRONG WITH COLONELS,ALL IT IS IS STEREOTYPICAL

This wont work man this is the INTERNET

  • 08.13.2009 4:29 PM PDT
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yea no one listens on the internet

  • 08.13.2009 4:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Funnybunny74
This wont work man this is the INTERNET


What he said.

This will accomplish nothing. No one here has any power over what the finished product will be, so trying to tally and opinion in a span of 48 hours is a lost cause. It's completely useless. It won't make anybody stop talking about their ideas, which is the entire point behind class threads.

Also, turtles.

  • 08.13.2009 4:31 PM PDT

HAIL HALO!

Posted by: Master Megatron
First Person Gears = Killzone 2

srs


ya i felt like KZ2 was Gears minus the fun.

  • 08.13.2009 4:32 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

This topic is now about mudkips.

Mudkips r awsome!

  • 08.13.2009 5:27 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

i believe halo needs a change, from what ive seen and heard over the years, halo has gotten boring.
yes, halo CE was awesome and halo 2 was great, but lets face it halo 3 became boring after a year. no new stuff came out for it and the reason i dont count maps is because every other FPS comes out with new maps.
run and gun was fun back in halo CE and halo 2, why? because it was different, now more games are coming out with run and gun. halo needs a change, classes is a good way to do that.
people keep saying, classes is CoD and thats dumb. not exactly, cod classes cant even really be called classes, because of the fact that you can edit them.
classes in halo would work differently, they would be "halo" classes, of course bungie can achieve this and give classes a "halo" feel, im not going to give an example for a halo type class system, because im not bungie, and frankly, i think it would be a waste of typing, since bungie probably wont consider it anyways, weve seen this from halo 3, and their refusal to come out with some DLC that has new armor and updated forge, and no its not impossible for them to.

  • 08.13.2009 5:47 PM PDT

???

you are all idiots. halo does not need classes and if it did then no one would play it. the big reason that ppl don't like halo is that it isn't as similar to the other halo games weapons and maps. stop contradicting yourselves

  • 08.13.2009 5:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheDasachi
i believe halo needs a change, from what ive seen and heard over the years, halo has gotten boring.
yes, halo CE was awesome and halo 2 was great, but lets face it halo 3 became boring after a year. no new stuff came out for it and the reason i dont count maps is because every other FPS comes out with new maps.
run and gun was fun back in halo CE and halo 2, why? because it was different, now more games are coming out with run and gun. halo needs a change, classes is a good way to do that.
people keep saying, classes is CoD and thats dumb. not exactly, cod classes cant even really be called classes, because of the fact that you can edit them.
classes in halo would work differently, they would be "halo" classes, of course bungie can achieve this and give classes a "halo" feel, im not going to give an example for a halo type class system, because im not bungie, and frankly, i think it would be a waste of typing, since bungie probably wont consider it anyways, weve seen this from halo 3, and their refusal to come out with some DLC that has new armor and updated forge, and no its not impossible for them to.


I agree people need to stop being ignorant. You won't know if classes will ruin Halo until it's atleast tested in beta. If Halo reach doesn't try some other concept for gameplay like classes, a cover system or whatever I think alot of people are going to be dissapointed. It's like what china did. They isolated themselves from the rest of the world's changes and fell behind. They were great at first, but they just didn't want to try new things.

  • 08.13.2009 5:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: flamingbadger13
you are all idiots. halo does not need classes and if it did then no one would play it. the big reason that ppl don't like halo is that it isn't as similar to the other halo games weapons and maps. stop contradicting yourselves


Stop being selfish. Halo doesn't need vehicles, equipment, theater, a map editor, or even online multiplayer. They are good things to have though. There are people that want things like classes with a Halo feel and by listening we could get more fans.

  • 08.13.2009 5:57 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Quote from Frank O'Connor:

"The core value in Halo 2 when comparing it to Halo, is that you should pick it up, and you should know what to do and it should feel like Halo. Everytime you added something, we had to play around with that until that feels like a natural part of Halo. Until jumping on a Ghost and knocking the pilot out feels like Halo and feels logical and natural, and we hope we've done that."

That quote was taken from this video: Video

Quote from Max Hoberman:

"A lot of what we tried to make different about Halo 2, a lot of the focus was really not on making the gameplay different. The gameplay in Halo 1 was a lot of fun, we wanted to expand on that gameplay."

Taken from the same video, the link is above.




If you take those 2 quotes, you can see from Halo 1, and Halo 2, that they were applied also to Halo 3. From that we also see it in ODST. Nothing is dramatically changed in the gameplay for Halo 3: ODST.

I believe the same principles will apply to Halo: Reach.

  • 08.13.2009 5:58 PM PDT

As a Halo fanboy who quit playing Halo in favor of CoD; classes have a big appeal. Especially when you don't have to go running around the map hoping someone else didn't already pick up the sniper rifle, BR, etc. Sooo much time is lost by running around picking up a weapon.
Look at it this way- it even makes more sense from a continuity standpoint. You're deployed with certain weapons in real battle. You don't swim off the ship to the beach hoping someone left you a machine gun. Classes = instant gratification and quicker into the fray.

  • 08.13.2009 6:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheDasachi
i believe halo needs a change, from what ive seen and heard over the years, halo has gotten boring.
yes, halo CE was awesome and halo 2 was great, but lets face it halo 3 became boring after a year. no new stuff came out for it and the reason i dont count maps is because every other FPS comes out with new maps.
run and gun was fun back in halo CE and halo 2, why? because it was different, now more games are coming out with run and gun. halo needs a change, classes is a good way to do that.
people keep saying, classes is CoD and thats dumb. not exactly, cod classes cant even really be called classes, because of the fact that you can edit them.
classes in halo would work differently, they would be "halo" classes, of course bungie can achieve this and give classes a "halo" feel, im not going to give an example for a halo type class system, because im not bungie, and frankly, i think it would be a waste of typing, since bungie probably wont consider it anyways, weve seen this from halo 3, and their refusal to come out with some DLC that has new armor and updated forge, and no its not impossible for them to.
There are lots of class games what are you talking about?

  • 08.13.2009 6:05 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Posted by: Sparxter971
As a Halo fanboy who quit playing Halo in favor of CoD; classes have a big appeal. Especially when you don't have to go running around the map hoping someone else didn't already pick up the sniper rifle, BR, etc. Sooo much time is lost by running around picking up a weapon.
Look at it this way- it even makes more sense from a continuity standpoint. You're deployed with certain weapons in real battle. You don't swim off the ship to the beach hoping someone left you a machine gun. Classes = instant gratification and quicker into the fray.
Then you have the sniper right off the bat, and you can just camp aslong as you want.

  • 08.13.2009 6:09 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

Posted by: TheDasachi
i believe halo needs a change, from what ive seen and heard over the years, halo has gotten boring.
yes, halo CE was awesome and halo 2 was great, but lets face it halo 3 became boring after a year. no new stuff came out for it and the reason i dont count maps is because every other FPS comes out with new maps.
run and gun was fun back in halo CE and halo 2, why? because it was different, now more games are coming out with run and gun. halo needs a change, classes is a good way to do that.
people keep saying, classes is CoD and thats dumb. not exactly, cod classes cant even really be called classes, because of the fact that you can edit them.
classes in halo would work differently, they would be "halo" classes, of course bungie can achieve this and give classes a "halo" feel, im not going to give an example for a halo type class system, because im not bungie, and frankly, i think it would be a waste of typing, since bungie probably wont consider it anyways, weve seen this from halo 3, and their refusal to come out with some DLC that has new armor and updated forge, and no its not impossible for them to.
There are lots of class games what are you talking about?


what are you talking about? i dont really understand your question, i know there are lots of class games, where did i say there werent? :)

  • 08.13.2009 6:10 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

to pokey, people already camp in every game, keeping halo the same isnt gonna change that, people will still camp either way :)

  • 08.13.2009 6:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sparxter971
As a Halo fanboy who quit playing Halo in favor of CoD; classes have a big appeal. Especially when you don't have to go running around the map hoping someone else didn't already pick up the sniper rifle, BR, etc. Sooo much time is lost by running around picking up a weapon.
Look at it this way- it even makes more sense from a continuity standpoint. You're deployed with certain weapons in real battle. You don't swim off the ship to the beach hoping someone left you a machine gun. Classes = instant gratification and quicker into the fray.
No Halo works like this See gun gun = win you run to the gun see someone ele's wants da gun you kill him = gun = more killing get it?

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Posted by: TheDasachi
Posted by: TheDasachi
i believe halo needs a change, from what ive seen and heard over the years, halo has gotten boring.
yes, halo CE was awesome and halo 2 was great, but lets face it halo 3 became boring after a year. no new stuff came out for it and the reason i dont count maps is because every other FPS comes out with new maps.
run and gun was fun back in halo CE and halo 2, why? because it was different, now more games are coming out with run and gun. halo needs a change, classes is a good way to do that.
people keep saying, classes is CoD and thats dumb. not exactly, cod classes cant even really be called classes, because of the fact that you can edit them.
classes in halo would work differently, they would be "halo" classes, of course bungie can achieve this and give classes a "halo" feel, im not going to give an example for a halo type class system, because im not bungie, and frankly, i think it would be a waste of typing, since bungie probably wont consider it anyways, weve seen this from halo 3, and their refusal to come out with some DLC that has new armor and updated forge, and no its not impossible for them to.
There are lots of class games what are you talking about?


what are you talking about? i dont really understand your question, i know there are lots of class games, where did i say there werent? :)
You said there are lots games like Halo there are lots of class games to so if you want to make Halo new class games want do it

  • 08.13.2009 6:15 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

oh true, i see what you mean, that puts things in a different perspective, well either way, i believe halo needs a change or halo: reach isnt gonna do as well as halo CE or halo 2

  • 08.13.2009 6:19 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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Posted by: TheDasachi
to pokey, people already camp in every game, keeping halo the same isnt gonna change that, people will still camp either way :)
But having weapons like the sniper or rockets in the middle promotes movement, and not camping.

  • 08.13.2009 6:24 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

But having weapons like the sniper or rockets in the middle promotes movement, and not camping.

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true, but people run, get the rockets and then camp, and if they do do classes then im hoping you wont be able to create your own classes

  • 08.13.2009 6:27 PM PDT

Oh what glorious and magnificent wonders the internet hold. Xbox live should have a warning that says, "Be aware, the presence of anonymity and voice communications may cause people to be complete d-bags and the laws of social interactions are thrown completely out the window"

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Like six times ^_^

  • 08.13.2009 6:36 PM PDT

Dylan J. Yocca

id like to try a good class game
the whole start with sniper= instant camp idea is dumb cuz even if they do camp you have the power to change your spawn weapon as well to a weapon that can beat the sniper its that simple

plus even if u dont agree with custom classes (CoD) there are other class games like Star Wars Battlefront style where you'd choose your infantry type like grunt jackle or brute who all have their own strengths and weaknesses and if this were Halo's perfered class style instead of CoD it would possibly be more balanced and make the game multiplayer actually more like halo than its traditional multiplayer

bottom line classes = something the public should try and even if it doesn't work then there will be more Halos to come

  • 08.13.2009 6:36 PM PDT