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Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Most people who play Halo don't know what a Forerunner is, a lot of my friends think the Covenant made the Halo rings, and that the Flood were a Covenant experiment gone wrong.

A game about the Forerunners would be confusing enough, bring the Precursors into it and everyone would be confused.

If they do sequels to Halo 3, they should be set a few months after, with you clearing up the last remnants of the Covenant; after all, High Charity and it's fleet can't have been all that remained.


Bungie has stated that they are done with Halo after "Reach," are also working on a non-Halo project, so if a sequel is made it will likely fall under the hands of another company, perhaps with some Bungie insight.


Care to show WHERE they said they were done with Halo after Reach? I've only seen that thay no longer hold the Halo IP, not that they were ever done with it.

  • 08.21.2009 11:30 AM PDT
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When the xbox 720 comes out, i hear they are making a new Marathon game for the release, and i also hear that the storyline is taking off where the legendary ending for halo 3 ends.

also this could be predicted because of all the similarityies of the games and the universes within them

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Posted by: Ogre
When the xbox 720 comes out, i hear they are making a new Marathon game for the release, and i also hear that the storyline is taking off where the legendary ending for halo 3 ends.

also this could be predicted because of all the similarities of the games and the universes within them


This is somewhat unrelated. By care to tell us where you "heard" about this? Such a plot would be extremely disappointing to me. And Bungie has said many times that marathon's and Halo's plots are completely unrelated.

  • 08.21.2009 3:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: ScOuRgE3
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Most people who play Halo don't know what a Forerunner is, a lot of my friends think the Covenant made the Halo rings, and that the Flood were a Covenant experiment gone wrong.

A game about the Forerunners would be confusing enough, bring the Precursors into it and everyone would be confused.

If they do sequels to Halo 3, they should be set a few months after, with you clearing up the last remnants of the Covenant; after all, High Charity and it's fleet can't have been all that remained.


Bungie has stated that they are done with Halo after "Reach," are also working on a non-Halo project, so if a sequel is made it will likely fall under the hands of another company, perhaps with some Bungie insight.


Care to show WHERE they said they were done with Halo after Reach? I've only seen that thay no longer hold the Halo IP, not that they were ever done with it.

Here it is: =(


So it's not the last Halo game necessarily, just the last one by Bungie. Which still equals =(.

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  • 08.22.2009 8:15 PM PDT
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I finally brought myself to read this, and you bring up some interesting points. I think that everything needs a bit more tying together (and needs to be a bit more neat and possess a bit more correct grammar and syntax, but not everybody is OCD like me, I suppose) before I'll actually begin to consider it as one of the "big" contender theories, but it certainly brings up things I've never considered before.

I want to draw attention to my theory, specifically the Lord of the Rings-Halo correlation. In it, I suggest that (similar to the Gondorians and Numenoreans in JRR Tolkien's epic) a small faction of Precursor escaped the Precursor empire and became the Forerunner in the Milky Way, building things of incomparable might and majesty, but ultimately not living up to their cousins' abilities and power. Through their leaving, though, they escaped the fate of their cousins, being swallowed in a massive flood.

In The Lord of the Rings, the Gondorians were aware of the Numenorean's demise, but in Halo, the Forerunner might never have learned of the Precursor's doom. When the Flood attacked them, they may never have realized that they were really facing the remnants of their own people (assuming my theory is correct). The Forerunner might have begun to think their cousins were correct, that they could achieve a new level of understanding with their method, and that The Mantle that they had taken up was a flawed copy of the Precursor original (there's evidence that the Forerunner began to become displeased with the Mantle, particularly in the latter parts of the war). The Forerunners' "Great Journey" might simply be a journey they had made once before: a journey back home. To their home galaxy, to the land where the Precursor once dominated, to follow in their then-distant cousins' footsteps.

What does this mean? I don't know. I just think that everything makes sense if the Forerunner are going home.

  • 08.23.2009 12:42 AM PDT

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Excellent theory.

  • 08.23.2009 1:42 AM PDT

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Well that was a nice read, this is a really good theory and because of that i'm saving this thread.

  • 08.23.2009 4:58 AM PDT

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Great Easy to understand theory :)

  • 08.23.2009 7:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Snakie
I finally brought myself to read this, and you bring up some interesting points. I think that everything needs a bit more tying together (and needs to be a bit more neat and possess a bit more correct grammar and syntax, but not everybody is OCD like me, I suppose) before I'll actually begin to consider it as one of the "big" contender theories, but it certainly brings up things I've never considered before.

I want to draw attention to my theory, specifically the Lord of the Rings-Halo correlation. In it, I suggest that (similar to the Gondorians and Numenoreans in JRR Tolkien's epic) a small faction of Precursor escaped the Precursor empire and became the Forerunner in the Milky Way, building things of incomparable might and majesty, but ultimately not living up to their cousins' abilities and power. Through their leaving, though, they escaped the fate of their cousins, being swallowed in a massive flood.

In The Lord of the Rings, the Gondorians were aware of the Numenorean's demise, but in Halo, the Forerunner might never have learned of the Precursor's doom. When the Flood attacked them, they may never have realized that they were really facing the remnants of their own people (assuming my theory is correct). The Forerunner might have begun to think their cousins were correct, that they could achieve a new level of understanding with their method, and that The Mantle that they had taken up was a flawed copy of the Precursor original (there's evidence that the Forerunner began to become displeased with the Mantle, particularly in the latter parts of the war). The Forerunners' "Great Journey" might simply be a journey they had made once before: a journey back home. To their home galaxy, to the land where the Precursor once dominated, to follow in their then-distant cousins' footsteps.

What does this mean? I don't know. I just think that everything makes sense if the Forerunner are going home.


My theory states that the forerunner went on a great journey, where is left to discussion. But I think that your idea is the most likely. I found something in Ghost of Onyx I will add now. But wherever the forerunner went they intentioned the Humans to follow. As my more recent find from Ghost of Onyx will support.

It could also be wherever the precursor went. If they where not totally consumed by the flood and some survived (which considering there where 100 of trillions or more it is very likely some survived the onslaught).

  • 08.23.2009 10:21 AM PDT

and yet i differ you 2 my other video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EizfTboMaUw
*cough* *cough* blue tard

  • 08.24.2009 9:57 PM PDT

o and um the gr8 journey is activating the halos for "salvation"

  • 08.24.2009 9:58 PM PDT

//BEGIN FRAGMENT 6/7 [RECORDED VERBATIM AND INTERPRETED POST-CATACLYSM]

L: My work is done. The portal is inactive, and I've begun the burial measures. Soon there'll be nothing but sand and rock and normal ferrite signatures.

You should see the mountain that watches over it. A beautiful thing--a snowcapped sentinel. That's where I will spend what time is left to me.

Did I tell you? I built a garden. The earth is so rich. A seed falls and a tree sprouts or a flower blooms. There's so much...potential. We knew this was a special place because of them, but unless you've been here, you can't know.

It's [Eden].

(i belive thats meant to be a reference to the garden of eden )

I have to stop transmitting. The thing is listening. Its [thinking dead] are babbling--laughing through every channel they can find.

Be proud. The Mind claims victory, yet it still doesn't suspect. You've outwitted it, my love. And now you can destroy it.

But you cannot save me.

so yes i would say since humans are forrunners oviously that means some survived :DDDDDD

  • 08.24.2009 11:32 PM PDT

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Well written, but with multiple grammatical errors. I believe that the Legendary planet is the planet which the Forerunners ended up at, but you made a mistake with how a star would look like near it's death. A star actually expands greatly in size when it approaches it's 'death'.

  • 08.25.2009 6:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wildcard1992
Well written, but with multiple grammatical errors. I believe that the Legendary planet is the planet which the Forerunners ended up at, but you made a mistake with how a star would look like near it's death. A star actually expands greatly in size when it approaches it's 'death'.


Sorry, English isn't exactly my first language. With the star you are also correct. But a Blue giant is an even larger star. This means it has enough fuel and has existed long enough where it built up temperature to form a blue giant. This is very similar to a red giant. Its just much hotter. And a Blue giant isn't included in the wiki article.

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if you listen at the end of campaign master chief says wake me WHEN you need me. not if or anything he says WHEN. perfect set up for another game.

  • 08.27.2009 2:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: KSIxUsed
if you listen at the end of campaign master chief says wake me WHEN you need me. not if or anything he says WHEN. perfect set up for another game.


Excellent point. But can simply be excused as a cool line. After halo 2 it was all "Finish the fight". The last line the master chief speaks. I think "Wake me, when you need me" will play a similar role in a future halo game.

  • 08.27.2009 4:53 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. UPDATED!

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Posted by: Agustus

Edit2: This theory I find very interesting. It would add a good twist to ODST as well as support that Mediciant was finding atonement and piecing himself together.

More supporting evidence:
MIKEFLOUNDERS
Small Magellanic Cloud is 200,000 light years away from our galaxy ,our galaxy is 100,000 light years across so the radius is 50,000 light years so 2.5 galactic radius would be 150,000 light years to where chief is and 50.000 light years the the small magellanic cloud in the back ground


So if this is accurate it further supports my theory of being outside the galaxy.


2.5 x 50,000 is 125,000 not 150,000. So the SMC would be 75,000 light years away from the Chief. However, if the SMC looks then like it looks to us now, then chances are it's MUCH farther away if the Chief has been floating for a very long time, since the light we see now is what is just reaching the Chief then.

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Posted by: Agustus

Edit2: This theory I find very interesting. It would add a good twist to ODST as well as support that Mediciant was finding atonement and piecing himself together.

More supporting evidence:
MIKEFLOUNDERS
Small Magellanic Cloud is 200,000 light years away from our galaxy ,our galaxy is 100,000 light years across so the radius is 50,000 light years so 2.5 galactic radius would be 150,000 light years to where chief is and 50.000 light years the the small magellanic cloud in the back ground


So if this is accurate it further supports my theory of being outside the galaxy.


2.5 x 50,000 is 125,000 not 150,000. So the SMC would be 75,000 light years away from the Chief. However, if the SMC looks then like it looks to us now, then chances are it's MUCH farther away if the Chief has been floating for a very long time, since the light we see now is what is just reaching the Chief then.


Excellent observation.

I also revised the entire first 2 post.

  • 08.28.2009 2:23 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Very extensive theory.

I don't care what theory a Halo 4 or a game based off Halo 3's ending ends up being, as long as we see what happens after the legendary ending. I hope it's an amazing game.

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When you said that the Ark has two teletransportation coordinates, I think you are wrong on your own theory, You also said that there could bemoreshield worlds.

So I believe the Ark as in all of halo novels and games, I can conclude that the Ark has more than two coordinates to go, think about traveling from galaxy to galaxy, or to other shield worlds that the Foreruners might have go and they erase it from the other AI's for the PARASITE not to find them.

Anything is possible.


Ghost of Onyx pg. 337
That which must be protected... behind the sharpened edge of the shield... beyond the reach of the swords.... for the reclaimers.


Now many have over looked this. At first glance it seems to refer to the Ark. The shield being the shield worlds (perhaps located in within the Maginot sphere) and the swords the Halo Array.
Now because its beyond the reach of the swords its past this galaxy. Therefore supporting it being the Ark. But from my previous points this could also refer to something greater than the Ark, especially because the portal may have 2 different coordinates.

From that phrase we have 2 general sets of coordinates. Its behind the shield worlds (Maginot sphere, which is where they would have been located) and out side the galaxy. The latter doesn't help much as we already assumed that. The first doesn't help much either because we have no idea where the Maginot sphere is. Perhaps the folks at the galactic map index could dig up some rough estimations.


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Posted by: Trancient Ghost
When you said that the Ark has two teletransportation coordinates, I think you are wrong on your own theory, You also said that there could bemoreshield worlds.

So I believe the Ark as in all of halo novels and games, I can conclude that the Ark has more than two coordinates to go, think about traveling from galaxy to galaxy, or to other shield worlds that the Foreruners might have go and they erase it from the other AI's for the PARASITE not to find them.

Anything is possible.


Ghost of Onyx pg. 337
That which must be protected... behind the sharpened edge of the shield... beyond the reach of the swords.... for the reclaimers.


Now many have over looked this. At first glance it seems to refer to the Ark. The shield being the shield worlds (perhaps located in within the Maginot sphere) and the swords the Halo Array.
Now because its beyond the reach of the swords its past this galaxy. Therefore supporting it being the Ark. But from my previous points this could also refer to something greater than the Ark, especially because the portal may have 2 different coordinates.

From that phrase we have 2 general sets of coordinates. Its behind the shield worlds (Maginot sphere, which is where they would have been located) and out side the galaxy. The latter doesn't help much as we already assumed that. The first doesn't help much either because we have no idea where the Maginot sphere is. Perhaps the folks at the galactic map index could dig up some rough estimations.




You are referring to the portal not the Ark. The portals on key planets where created to transport species to the Ark, the majority of the Forerunners however probably used the shield worlds instead due to there much larger size. Now the Earth Portals "true" purpose as I stated is another set of coordinates to the first "step" in a much larger path outside the galaxy. A Flame or Sign if you will, like the northern star. Guiding humanity to something else where.

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Yeah, if there are KEY planets like earth, then, why their plan would have fail, and they must be somewhere but dont whant to be found.

  • 08.29.2009 9:23 AM PDT
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Yeah, if there are KEY planets like earth, then, why their plan would have fail, and they must be somewhere but dont whant to be found.


There are references to portals on other planets and ships arriving to the Ark (probably via portal). And im positive that wherever they went they did intend the humans to follow eventualy. "Follow the signs" as well as the portal supposed to be used for its true purpose at one point. The "you are not worthy, not yet" part. All that convinces me that the Forerunner had a master plan beyond which we can perceive. "Plans within plans, within plans". This was all set in motion when the first Halo was destroyed, and the second put into stand by. A giant ticking clock that goes through step by step.

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Well I think it was set in moton when the second halo was activated(BUT I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE FIRST ONE). And the Delta halo before firing the arrays and Miranda disconected them, remember that Sparks said that its sending comm signals to all other Forerunner installation at super luminous speed to standby, and be activted at the Ark.

And if they are to find the Forerunners, withing their massive plan, I think that DR.Halsey knows a lot much more, because if she could ACTUALLY read to the spartans some words and sentences, then she could be the most important person in the Halo universe, of all her knowledge.


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There are references to portals on other planets and ships arriving to the Ark (probably via portal). And im positive that wherever they went they did intend the humans to follow eventualy. "Follow the signs" as well as the portal supposed to be used for its true purpose at one point. The "you are not worthy, not yet" part. All that convinces me that the Forerunner had a master plan beyond which we can perceive. "Plans within plans, within plans". This was all set in motion when the first Halo was destroyed, and the second put into stand by. A giant ticking clock that goes through step by step.

  • 08.29.2009 10:08 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.1 REVISED!
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I have added Wolverfrogs theory because it makes a nice twist to mine.

  • 08.29.2009 3:24 PM PDT