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Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.1 REVISED!

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Posted by: Agustus
Posted by: Talon Karrde 01
Posted by: Agustus
Posted by: Talon Karrde 01
Gentlefolk, several things.
One, let us stop using the Cortana Letters as Evidence for our ideas, they were written before the plotline for Halo: CE was even finalized, and I truly doubt that Bungie would retrofit their storyline that far back. Though, of course, the ball's in 343 Industries' court now, so who knows what they'll do.
Secondly... no, I forgot my secondly. Never mind.


I didn't use them as evidence. It just seemed they supported my theory so it would have been arrogant not to at least bring it up.

I don't base my thoughts on the Cortana letters at all, they simply supported it after I wrote the theory.


I understand that, and let it be noted that I am certianly not insulting your theroy. My point was meerly that they, (The letters,) have little relevance to the end story of the series.
Unless, of course, as I said, 343 does some rather through retrofitting of the series' plotline in the future. Who can tell.(In addition, not to drone on, but my comment was not soley directed at you yourself, but rather to any who might use the Letters as a referance, or the like.)



As you can read from the letter I posted, it may indeed have significance. I find it to perfect to be coincidence, it just falls right into place.

I know that they where created before the plot for Halo 1 was even finalized. When an author begins to write a book, he usually knows the main idea, as well as the beginning and end. Knowing that he fills in the story in-between, I think that is what happened with the Cortana letters and Halo. They knew the main plot points (Halo's, Ark, Flood, dormant AI). Now they may have intended to have that dormant AI (Medicant) on Halo, they would have changed this. Or they could have changed it completely, then went back and slightly altered the story ending to fit with there first "Iris". Again, theres to much that fits perfectly to be a coincidence.


Perhaps you are correct. Indeed, the may have altered bits of the plotline or dropped subtle hints as to a possible next chapter. Still, my doubt pursues me. Bungie no doubt had already made the desicion to stop at Reach [EDIT: Or not. Rambled a bit in the later part of the tirade, contrdicted myself. Sorry again.] when they were finishing Halo 3, and what I am curious about is if they knew Microsoft was going to hand the series off to 343.

Consider this: Bungie, origionally had to fight with Microsoft to get that last, tantalising snippet in for the Legendary ending to the game. That seems to point to the fact of Microsoft having no intention of making 343 and related products at the time. Did Bungie then intend to go on with the series at that point in time? Or was it meerly in the eventuality of further Halo Media in the future? I belive I've lost track of whatever point I was going to make, alas, however as 343 is going to be making all future Halo items, and they don't really seem to be as public-freindly as our dear Bungie, I doubt that we will know for sure for some time, unless , of course, they tie a potential sequel in with an ending of Reach.

Apologies for the ramble. Really.

[Edited on 09.17.2009 8:39 PM PDT]

  • 09.17.2009 8:37 PM PDT

When the going gets tough, whine and groan and complain, then post a thread on the flood about how tough the going is and flame anyone who disagrees.

I love the origanl post. The iris symbol is really cool.

I doubt that there will be a Halo 4. The story of John 117 through the median of video games is over.In the recent PAX panel videos Joe Staten said that they WEREN'T currently wotking on a Halo Movie, but would love to.

This leaves the door open.Maybe the upcoming Halo Legends anime series will give us more answears to our questions, numerous they are.

  • 09.18.2009 10:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Phoienex001
I love the origanl post. The iris symbol is really cool.

I doubt that there will be a Halo 4. The story of John 117 through the median of video games is over.In the recent PAX panel videos Joe Staten said that they WEREN'T currently wotking on a Halo Movie, but would love to.

This leaves the door open.Maybe the upcoming Halo Legends anime series will give us more answears to our questions, numerous they are.


What does a Halo movie have to do with a Halo 3 sequel (again "Halo: Reclaimer")?


@Talon

Your not rambling at all, many times I worry if I didn't state my point clearly in this thread.

Summary: Mediciant kidnapped chief as proof he has changed. Mediciant is heading to the first step of the "Great journey". At the end of this path is a conflict hat makes the Milky Way look insignificant. The Master Chief will finally become worthy of the knowledge and finally reclaim what was once Human kind's. The lost Precursor empire, and the origins of the flood as well as a means to stop it.

Or something along those lines. Halo 3 it seems was the beginning of the end, or the way the world ends....

[Edited on 09.21.2009 4:12 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 3:14 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

dustin is the -blam!-.

Have you tried going outside anytime recently?

  • 09.21.2009 4:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: unrealdustin
Have you tried going outside anytime recently?


I live on the beach and run cross country, top in my team... (until I hurt my knee a few days ago).

I'll bet you im more fit than you are. But I don't even see the point of that post...

  • 09.21.2009 4:39 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.1 REVISED!
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The Humans are the ancestors of the forerunners as the prophet of truth has said. We would be considered keepers of the flame,the ones to reclaim (hence the term reclaimer)our ancestors technolgy(the ark),and be worthy to commence the great journey(to travel from earth to the ark and finish the "great journey") the "great journey" is to activate the halo rings and finally destroy the flood. But the irony is that none of them had what it takes to activate the rings. The prophet truth said "your ancestors put aside there emotions and did what needed to be done" This is said right before Keyes is shot in the back with a spiker. So in other words were just like or ancestors lol

  • 09.23.2009 7:23 PM PDT
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The Humans are the ancestors of the forerunners as the prophet of truth has said. We would be considered keepers of the flame,the ones to reclaim (hence the term reclaimer)our ancestors technolgy(the ark),and be worthy to commence the great journey(to travel from earth to the ark and finish the "great journey") the "great journey" is to activate the halo rings and finally destroy the flood. But the irony is that none of them had what it takes to activate the rings. The prophet truth said "your ancestors put aside there emotions and did what needed to be done" This is said right before Keyes is shot in the back with a spiker. So in other words were just like or ancestors lol


Your a little off there son. First I hope you mean "descendants" when you first say ancestors in your first sentence. And Truth is not all knowing, he doesn't know practically anything more than the Humans. He knows believes we are Forerunners who where left behind. That the great journey was started by activating the rings. Now my theory says he misinterpreted both of these things to an extent. The Human - Forerunner link is not yet clear. We may have shared a common ancestor (precursors) and could have inter-matted with a few when they discovered humanity. My theory says the great journey is not the rings themselves, but wherever the Forerunner went.

  • 09.24.2009 12:45 PM PDT

"Eyes from Death's dream kingdom appear as sunlight on a broken column. There, in Death's other kingdom, walking alone, trembling lips form prayers to broken stone."

Well, some interesting piece of information I read somewhere, but Microsoft constantly refered to Reach as "Halo 4" until it was announced at E3. That probably means nothing, but still, it's an interesting thing none the less. Also, yes, Reach is a prequel, but that doesn't mean that it won't have plenty of suprises in it. Maybe it somehow covers a long period of time. Who knows.

  • 09.27.2009 5:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: mr 3l1te
Well, some interesting piece of information I read somewhere, but Microsoft constantly refered to Reach as "Halo 4" until it was announced at E3. That probably means nothing, but still, it's an interesting thing none the less. Also, yes, Reach is a prequel, but that doesn't mean that it won't have plenty of suprises in it. Maybe it somehow covers a long period of time. Who knows.


I never heared of the Halo 4 thing but it wouldn't mean anything. Just a "Forth" game with the chief in it (its bound to at some point). I think It may follow other Spartans and show the covenant unearthing some Forerunner artifacts during the battle of Reach.

  • 09.27.2009 9:07 AM PDT

'Pancakes, Griddlecakes, Hotcakes, Flapjacks. Why are there four words for fried batter, and only one word for love?'

-George Carlin

Hmm. What with the Prophet of Truth and all, his motives in the whole storyline are heavily shrouded in mystery, what with Guilty Spark no doubt telling him about the Ring's true purpose and all during Halo 2. Whether he knew that he actually was just trying to kill all life in the universe and save himself at the Ark, or was at that time, meerly deluded and insane, we may never know, though that last comment to Johnson was slightly mysterious. ("Yes, I admit I need your help. But that secret Dies with all the rest.")

As for Humans gaining the tools of the Precursors (sp?), I slightly doubt that was part of Mendicant's overall plan (See "Mendicant Bias and the Great Intragalatic Scavenger Hunt"), as it's hinted at that the Forerunners themselves reveared the Precursores as gods, much like the Covenant did with the Forerunners themselvs. Though it's never explicitly stated, I don't know if a Forerunner AI would manipulate the Cheif to that end (Unless the Flood have something to do with them.) No doubt more light will be shone on this line of inquiry come the upcoming "Forerunner Trilogy" by Greg Bear.

  • 09.28.2009 9:04 PM PDT

Chronology of Gamertags:
Sam Mikkelsen (rename of previous)
jay Ieno (rename of previous)
Sam BEAST MODE (Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 2)
lolsam1337 (Halo 3, Halo 2)
Orca CDE (Halo 2, Halo 3 Beta)
Yakouza Gunner (Halo 2)

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Anyone notice anything similar about that planet behind Chief...

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/0/08/Legendary_ Planet.jpg

Not sure if this is a new find or not.

  • 09.28.2009 9:30 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

It is fairly likely by chance that the portal had a fail-safe, meaning that whilst 1 half of the forward unto dawn was sent back to earth, the other half was sent to a fail-safe location intended by the forerunners originally.

  • 09.28.2009 10:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Talon Karrde 01
Hmm. What with the Prophet of Truth and all, his motives in the whole storyline are heavily shrouded in mystery, what with Guilty Spark no doubt telling him about the Ring's true purpose and all during Halo 2. Whether he knew that he actually was just trying to kill all life in the universe and save himself at the Ark, or was at that time, meerly deluded and insane, we may never know, though that last comment to Johnson was slightly mysterious. ("Yes, I admit I need your help. But that secret Dies with all the rest.")

As for Humans gaining the tools of the Precursors (sp?), I slightly doubt that was part of Mendicant's overall plan (See "Mendicant Bias and the Great Intragalatic Scavenger Hunt"), as it's hinted at that the Forerunners themselves reveared the Precursores as gods, much like the Covenant did with the Forerunners themselvs. Though it's never explicitly stated, I don't know if a Forerunner AI would manipulate the Cheif to that end (Unless the Flood have something to do with them.) No doubt more light will be shone on this line of inquiry come the upcoming "Forerunner Trilogy" by Greg Bear.


Truth's motives are shrouded in mystery, you have to remember he had plenty of time to question Medicant. I think it was all part of the "master plan", an actual "great journey". Maybe Truth understood more than we originally thought.

I love Opog's thread, its what lead me to create this. I think the Forerunner did see the precursors as almost mystical. I explain that in the OP, that Didact says
We can follow in There
Its capital, so its either referring to someone, or something. So the Forerunner may have had an idea about the absence of the Precursors. A similar "Great Journey".

Now Medicant would have motive to get chief there.

1. If medicant is still alive, then Chief would have been the only way he could get to the planet.

2. If he is dead, he is sending a Reclaimer, to wherever. A "lost one" to recover what was once his. If wolverfrog is right, then "Reclaimer" may mean something larger than we originally believed. One of the ones that where "left behind", and now must embark on a great journey or something or other...

  • 09.29.2009 11:15 AM PDT

As far as a Halo 4 is concerned, I doubt it will happen, but Bungie only said that it wouldn't be a Halo game, they never said that it wouldn't continue Halo's plot or not have the Chief in it.

  • 09.29.2009 5:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
Posted by: Talon Karrde 01
Hmm. What with the Prophet of Truth and all, his motives in the whole storyline are heavily shrouded in mystery, what with Guilty Spark no doubt telling him about the Ring's true purpose and all during Halo 2. Whether he knew that he actually was just trying to kill all life in the universe and save himself at the Ark, or was at that time, meerly deluded and insane, we may never know, though that last comment to Johnson was slightly mysterious. ("Yes, I admit I need your help. But that secret Dies with all the rest.")

As for Humans gaining the tools of the Precursors (sp?), I slightly doubt that was part of Mendicant's overall plan (See "Mendicant Bias and the Great Intragalatic Scavenger Hunt"), as it's hinted at that the Forerunners themselves reveared the Precursores as gods, much like the Covenant did with the Forerunners themselvs. Though it's never explicitly stated, I don't know if a Forerunner AI would manipulate the Cheif to that end (Unless the Flood have something to do with them.) No doubt more light will be shone on this line of inquiry come the upcoming "Forerunner Trilogy" by Greg Bear.


Truth's motives are shrouded in mystery, you have to remember he had plenty of time to question Medicant. I think it was all part of the "master plan", an actual "great journey". Maybe Truth understood more than we originally thought.

I love Opog's thread, its what lead me to create this. I think the Forerunner did see the precursors as almost mystical. I explain that in the OP, that Didact says
We can follow in There
Its capital, so its either referring to someone, or something. So the Forerunner may have had an idea about the absence of the Precursors. A similar "Great Journey".

Now Medicant would have motive to get chief there.

1. If medicant is still alive, then Chief would have been the only way he could get to the planet.

2. If he is dead, he is sending a Reclaimer, to wherever. A "lost one" to recover what was once his. If wolverfrog is right, then "Reclaimer" may mean something larger than we originally believed. One of the ones that where "left behind", and now must embark on a great journey or something or other...


Intriguing(sp?)... The Term "Reclaimer," may indeed have much more relevance to that aspect of the plotline that meerly "One who can re-activate, or Reclaim, the Rings." Some of Ol' Sparky's rather cryptic comments could be construed to refer to something other than the current species or the Forerunners. Perhaps.

  • 10.01.2009 9:39 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

There is definetly going to be a sequal to Halo 3, but it most likely will not be called Halo 4. The Halo games will be kept as a trilogy because the Halo story is over. However, Master Chief's story is not over and that will be our next trilogy. We will see what happens to MC and then most likey deal with Mendicant Bias and the Flood and maybe some new race. Not sure but I have a thread related to that.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=37532398

  • 10.02.2009 11:33 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

Very nice thread!

I enjoyed reading it!

The theory about MB being part or with Cortana is a very good idea. Afterall. Even though the games graphics changed. I dont see why cortana would have gone through so much of a change over the course of the games. She is an AI not a human. Also she was much more robotic in Halo. In Halo 3 she became much more human acting. Some may say this is because she is going rampant. While this may be true, why would she be in the state she is when Cheif finds her on Halo 3? She seemed tired, and worn. My reasoning, your idea bout Gravemind talking to MB through Cortana. Possibly MB took control of most of Cortana's systems so he could speak with Gravemind. That just my opinon though. What do you all think?

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  • 10.03.2009 8:41 AM PDT
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Why is Captain Kirk climbing the mountain?

I want good RTS about Halo, I mean Ship vs Ship combat, maybe even a Forunner Campaign against rhe covenant.

  • 10.04.2009 4:53 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: Aaren
I want good RTS about Halo, I mean Ship vs Ship combat, maybe even a Forunner Campaign against rhe covenant.


Yes. Halo Wars was fail. It was fun but also fail. It should never have been a consol game. Go PC and give me massive armies and even ship battles.

  • 10.04.2009 11:10 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.1 REVISED!

you rock
I mean i still have to read the books andf if you javent read the books you barely understand
My head hurts

The fight may be finished.....
But the story isn't....

[Edited on 10.14.2009 11:43 AM PDT]

  • 10.14.2009 11:42 AM PDT
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I see it as only the beginning of the end.

  • 10.14.2009 1:10 PM PDT

"Be Prepared and Semper Fi do or die"

It is a good theory easier to believe than others.

  • 10.14.2009 2:11 PM PDT

"Do or Do Not. There is no try."
-Yoda

Posted by: unrealdustin
Have you tried going outside anytime recently?


I live on the beach and run cross country, top in my team... (until I hurt my knee a few days ago).

I'll bet you im more fit than you are. But I don't even see the point of that post...


Well said, sir.

This is the first hardcore theory that I've read, and I love this theory.

I'll admit, I skipped a few pages (of comments) to get here, but could the Dyson Sphere from Ghosts of Onyx be the location of which the Forerunners were trying to reach. In other words the Dyson Sphere is the location of the Great Journey.



[Edited on 10.15.2009 11:58 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2009 11:57 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

Corn, Oil, and Wine... We need more wine...

The top part, about the last terminal... Could the "path" be the warthog run? Just saying...

  • 10.15.2009 4:22 PM PDT

Owned thank you very much

so...much...information...brain...is...going...to...explode.. .

  • 10.15.2009 4:36 PM PDT