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Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.5 Origins update

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I'm sure if I knew that much about the storyline, I could tell this is a good theory. But I don't. I want to start reading the books and lore, but I don't know where to start. Can someone pm me with maybe a good order of things I need to read/watch/games I need to play to become very, very familiar to the Halo lore? In my mind I feel like I know a lot about it, but then I read these type of threads and I'm blown back to ground zero.
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  • 05.22.2010 7:16 AM PDT
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Well, it looks like a sub doesn't help when your main is banned!
How the hell did they figure..............
***I AM NOT CHALUPA KING117!*** ;D

But what happens after all of that?

  • 06.04.2010 10:45 PM PDT
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All I know is if I have to fight Brutes again, I hope we never see H4.
Great theory though, Im glad people are still supporting you and keeping this thread alive.

  • 06.05.2010 1:39 PM PDT
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VOS ES NEFAS

  • 06.20.2010 9:34 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

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Maybe the cardboard dude near the terminal is MB then.

  • 06.21.2010 12:21 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.3 New Link!

I am a true halo fan. I enjoy all the games and give them a 10 out of 10.

I am making the brand new halo reach machininma
i will put a link for the trailer once i have made it

all i know is master cheif should be doing another game

  • 06.23.2010 4:54 AM PDT

I enjoyed reading the theory and I learned a lot more about the Halo universe. So...basically we're hoping for a continuation of MC's story?

  • 06.27.2010 9:21 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

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I just can't believe how detailed this thread is and how it is in, well, plain sight!

  • 06.28.2010 12:26 AM PDT
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I was just rereading parts of this.

The Covenant had extrapolated a lot of what Mendicant Bias had told them before Truth (then Fortitude) learned from MB that The Great Journey was not what they had been led to believe, that being a devine ascension to Godhood.

But the term "Great Journey". I don't think that that is a term that the Covenant made up themselves. Mendicant Bias only ever says <LISTENED TO YOU MISINTERPRET>, he doesn't say they have made any of the terminology up. I'm leaning towards the thought that perhaps there is a Great Journey. A literal journey. No metaphysical ascension.

In this thought comes the belief that MB had told Truth more in the time after MB was seperated from the Forerunner Dreadnaught. Truth may have been/was crazy towards the end of Halo 3, with his motivations true and false blending into one. But that he says "That secret dies with the rest of them" makes me think he knew more.
The chances of him crazily stumbling upon a truth (ironic) like that is very unlikely. I think Mendicant Bias told him the true purpose of the Rings. He may still have manipulated Truth though, told him he could guarantee him the Great Journey. Perhaps he even could.

Back to the original point, The Great Journey, I believe, is something that the Forerunner themselves did do. After the firing of the Array, they left this Galaxy on The Great Journey.
The term was picked up by Covenant and was interpreted as synonymous with firing the Array.

EDIT: Mendicant's motives in this are obviously to save Reclaimer(s) as a sign of atonement to his Masters. In this little theory, I've said that he manipulated Truth, so he could get himself onto Installation 00 (the Ark) and fully realise himself once again.
This is obviously a huge gamble. Letting Truth near a "kill all" button is very risky, and Mendicant decided to take that risk, hoping that Humanity and the Elites would be able to stop it happening.

Mendicant is repentful, he doesn't want to Rings to fire again, but the Reclaimers situation was hopeless, they were doomed. Out gunned in every aspect apart from strategy.
By taking the risk of Truth being able to fire the Halo Array, and Humanity being able to save themselves in one big move and destroy the Covenant (before the firing), Mendicant was able to stop the destruction of the Reclaimers, and save all life in the Galaxy.



Just another thing (I can't be bothered making a thread), in the OP you linked to opoj's thread (which is amazing). In the thread he says that the Reac Crystal could very well be another part of Mendicant Bias. People have theorised that the crystal bends space and time, as far as making Master Chief get back to Reach at a certain time. I'm going to disagree and say it is simply a part of MB.
The reason that Slipspace travel becomes so fast, and the gravity beam they get stuck in on Reach is easily counteracted by the crystal, is because it is Mendicant. He is a Forerunner AI. When the crystal shifts and changes its shape, he is communicating (via radiation. I believe there were radiation spikes when it did this). He sped up Ascedent Justice to the Eridanus System so that the journey took minutes rather than days.

Anyway, just some thoughts and this seemed the best place to put them.



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  • 06.28.2010 4:34 AM PDT
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WOW. just WOW. What an amazing theory.

  • 06.28.2010 8:52 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.5 Origins update

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The answers are in the Halo encyclopedia

  • 07.04.2010 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: kippa
I was just rereading parts of this.

The Covenant had extrapolated a lot of what Mendicant Bias had told them before Truth (then Fortitude) learned from MB that The Great Journey was not what they had been led to believe, that being a devine ascension to Godhood.

But the term "Great Journey". I don't think that that is a term that the Covenant made up themselves. Mendicant Bias only ever says <LISTENED TO YOU MISINTERPRET>, he doesn't say they have made any of the terminology up. I'm leaning towards the thought that perhaps there is a Great Journey. A literal journey. No metaphysical ascension.

In this thought comes the belief that MB had told Truth more in the time after MB was seperated from the Forerunner Dreadnaught. Truth may have been/was crazy towards the end of Halo 3, with his motivations true and false blending into one. But that he says "That secret dies with the rest of them" makes me think he knew more.
The chances of him crazily stumbling upon a truth (ironic) like that is very unlikely. I think Mendicant Bias told him the true purpose of the Rings. He may still have manipulated Truth though, told him he could guarantee him the Great Journey. Perhaps he even could.

Back to the original point, The Great Journey, I believe, is something that the Forerunner themselves did do. After the firing of the Array, they left this Galaxy on The Great Journey.
The term was picked up by Covenant and was interpreted as synonymous with firing the Array.

EDIT: Mendicant's motives in this are obviously to save Reclaimer(s) as a sign of atonement to his Masters. In this little theory, I've said that he manipulated Truth, so he could get himself onto Installation 00 (the Ark) and fully realise himself once again.
This is obviously a huge gamble. Letting Truth near a "kill all" button is very risky, and Mendicant decided to take that risk, hoping that Humanity and the Elites would be able to stop it happening.

Mendicant is repentful, he doesn't want to Rings to fire again, but the Reclaimers situation was hopeless, they were doomed. Out gunned in every aspect apart from strategy.
By taking the risk of Truth being able to fire the Halo Array, and Humanity being able to save themselves in one big move and destroy the Covenant (before the firing), Mendicant was able to stop the destruction of the Reclaimers, and save all life in the Galaxy.



Just another thing (I can't be bothered making a thread), in the OP you linked to opoj's thread (which is amazing). In the thread he says that the Reac Crystal could very well be another part of Mendicant Bias. People have theorised that the crystal bends space and time, as far as making Master Chief get back to Reach at a certain time. I'm going to disagree and say it is simply a part of MB.
The reason that Slipspace travel becomes so fast, and the gravity beam they get stuck in on Reach is easily counteracted by the crystal, is because it is Mendicant. He is a Forerunner AI. When the crystal shifts and changes its shape, he is communicating (via radiation. I believe there were radiation spikes when it did this). He sped up Ascedent Justice to the Eridanus System so that the journey took minutes rather than days.

Anyway, just some thoughts and this seemed the best place to put them.



On your first point, I agree with you completely. But I believe that because MB was fragmented at that point, his judgment was also impaired. An excellent example is how he attempts to take off knowing full well the ship was anchored to high charity, and there where several things in place to make sure the ship couldn't take off. A fully intact MB would have been a bit smarter about all of this. Theres also the fact that he seems to be following old protocol by pointlessly wanting to transport (all...) of humanity to the Ark in the absence of any Flood.

There is also the fact that Cortana recognized him in Halo 2, and it seems MB was just barley able to keep the launch sequence going, providing only "a good struggle" for Cortana. An AI of his category should have been able to disintegrate Cortana with a wave of his digital hand.

I believe because of his lack of judgment and thought capabilities, as well as the Covenants lack of info about Humanity, he didn't fully realize how much danger they where in. By the time he was fully assembled at the Ark, it is my belief he surpassed rampancy and became meta-stable, which would make him the only AI to do so in the Halo series.

As for your second point, I actually disagree with Opogs theory. T me the Crystal is a simple device to enhance slipspace travel, possibly reused in the mechanics of the portal located on Earth (and other key planets).

  • 07.04.2010 12:32 PM PDT

When the going gets tough, whine and groan and complain, then post a thread on the flood about how tough the going is and flame anyone who disagrees.

This is what I love about bungie, they are an exceedingly casual company, but they also hold the secrets to a massive galaxy with dozens of small little tidbits that can be combined into a refined theory like this one.

  • 07.07.2010 12:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Agustus
On your first point, I agree with you completely. But I believe that because MB was fragmented at that point, his judgment was also impaired. An excellent example is how he attempts to take off knowing full well the ship was anchored to high charity, and there where several things in place to make sure the ship couldn't take off. A fully intact MB would have been a bit smarter about all of this. Theres also the fact that he seems to be following old protocol by pointlessly wanting to transport (all...) of humanity to the Ark in the absence of any Flood.

There is also the fact that Cortana recognized him in Halo 2, and it seems MB was just barley able to keep the launch sequence going, providing only "a good struggle" for Cortana. An AI of his category should have been able to disintegrate Cortana with a wave of his digital hand.

I believe because of his lack of judgment and thought capabilities, as well as the Covenants lack of info about Humanity, he didn't fully realize how much danger they where in. By the time he was fully assembled at the Ark, it is my belief he surpassed rampancy and became meta-stable, which would make him the only AI to do so in the Halo series.

As for your second point, I actually disagree with Opogs theory. T me the Crystal is a simple device to enhance slipspace travel, possibly reused in the mechanics of the portal located on Earth (and other key planets).


Yeah you just raised some really good examples of his lack of ability. I'm not going to say its entirely enough to assume he's not capable of manipulation and data analysation (as in looking at humanity's inevitable destruction). The Covenant also did have quite a bit of information on Humanity. They managed to methodically make their way through the Outer Colonies which didn't have big flashing signs pointed in their direction, and the Galaxy is huge.

As for the crystal, I was just pondering. I personally think it's Precursor tech. Hence the dais and worshipping like complex the Forerunner had built for it, plus it explains Precursors ability to travel between galaxies via slipspace manipulation.

  • 07.07.2010 5:47 AM PDT

Also note that the legendary planets sun is blue. Blue is one of the last stages stars pass into before death. It means they are the hottest which indicates they are getting closer to running out of fuel, then death. Then they either become a dwarf of some kind or black hole. This means its really damn old. I mean like millions to billions of years old. That means it would have been our kind of sun back in the precursor times

Hello. I am an astrophysics student at Ball State University. Your description of a blue star is very inaccurate. As a star approaches the end of its life, its surface area becomes greater. As the star expands, it also cools. After some time, it will collapse back in upon itself and start using the heavier elements of its composition as fuel until it finally goes super-nova, or, if massive enough, dissipates into a black hole. You were correct when you said that a blue star is of the greatest temperature in comparison to any other star, but this has little correlation to its age. A blue star is simply a more dense star than kinds of other colors. A dense star will be a more luminous star, meaning it emits more energy. The amount of energy a star emits can be described as "heat." Although this is not always an accurate assumption, as heat is a relative measurement, as well as the fact that not all of the energy a star emits is in the form of visible light.

Also, not to be rude, but your assumption that it could have been a star like ours at one time made me convulse a little. Our star is classified as a yellow dwarf. Near the time of its death it will expand to the approximate orbit of Mars. During the expansion the surface temperature will become much cooler, and will then be classified as a red giant. Red stars are the coolest of all stars by comparison. After it collapses back in upon itself, it will be of a marginally higher temperature, but still categorized as a "red" star.

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Also note that the legendary planets sun is blue. Blue is one of the last stages stars pass into before death. It means they are the hottest which indicates they are getting closer to running out of fuel, then death. Then they either become a dwarf of some kind or black hole. This means its really damn old. I mean like millions to billions of years old. That means it would have been our kind of sun back in the precursor times

Hello. I am an astrophysics student at Ball State University. Your description of a blue star is very inaccurate. As a star approaches the end of its life, its surface area becomes greater. As the star expands, it also cools. After some time, it will collapse back in upon itself and start using the heavier elements of its composition as fuel until it finally goes super-nova, or, if massive enough, dissipates into a black hole. You were correct when you said that a blue star is of the greatest temperature in comparison to any other star, but this has little correlation to its age. A blue star is simply a more dense star than kinds of other colors. A dense star will be a more luminous star, meaning it emits more energy. The amount of energy a star emits can be described as "heat." Although this is not always an accurate assumption, as heat is a relative measurement, as well as the fact that not all of the energy a star emits is in the form of visible light.

Also, not to be rude, but your assumption that it could have been a star like ours at one time made me convulse a little. Our star is classified as a yellow dwarf. Near the time of its death it will expand to the approximate orbit of Mars. During the expansion the surface temperature will become much cooler, and will then be classified as a red giant. Red stars are the coolest of all stars by comparison. After it collapses back in upon itself, it will be of a marginally higher temperature, but still categorized as a "red" star.


This was previously pointed out, and remained unfixed simply because I forgot of that paragraphs existence.

  • 07.07.2010 3:26 PM PDT

Lots of words. Very nice agustus.

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Lots of words. Very nice agustus.


A great many thanks.

  • 07.07.2010 3:49 PM PDT

We will know soon enough, but it will require thought. Deep thought. Mendicant Bias must be found. The Mantle will soon follow.

01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01001001 01110010 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101011 01100101 01111001 00101110

Flat out the most amazing piece of fan-deciphered, explaining, clarifying text I have EVER seen, and most likely will ever see. I can't believe what you've uncovered here.

It's... astounding.

I dare someone to criticize your work here.

Kudos.

And... I think you shook some Bungie storyboard writers with this one... they won't be able to sleep for DAYS!

  • 07.07.2010 9:08 PM PDT
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Holy Crap! It's you!

  • 07.07.2010 9:11 PM PDT

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  • 07.08.2010 6:48 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: iTz HeAvYbAcKuP
TL;DR
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Then get out. We don't need idiots like you spamming this forum in a sad attempt to increase their post count.

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Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: iTz HeAvYbAcKuP
TL;DR
KTHXBAI


Then get out. We don't need idiots like you spamming this forum in a sad attempt to increase their post count.

  • 07.08.2010 7:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: iTz HeAvYbAcKuP
TL;DR
KTHXBAI


Then get out. We don't need idiots like you spamming this forum in a sad attempt to increase their post count.


Wheres the freaking 'like' button for statements like dibbs

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Posted by: kippa
Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: iTz HeAvYbAcKuP
TL;DR
KTHXBAI


Then get out. We don't need idiots like you spamming this forum in a sad attempt to increase their post count.


Wheres the freaking 'like' button for statements like dibbs


This isn't FaceBook Kippa. And from now on lets include something on-Topic with every post.

  • 07.09.2010 7:11 PM PDT