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Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.

Nice read, but I honestly got lost after reading lol. Could you add a tl;dr to the OP? Or could someone give me a good summary?

  • 01.19.2011 4:18 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.5 Origins update

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  • 01.19.2011 10:00 PM PDT

If your theories are right which in the current time they are playing out to be right Halo is about to get a whole lot sweeter than it already is and thats awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 01.20.2011 1:10 PM PDT

the comeback kid

I agree with the theory(now we'll see if 343 or SOMEBODY will confirm this theory) when I read it it kinda blew my mind (think Assassin's Creed mind blown) and it just fits, lets hope it happens, and hopefully the game will come out this year(YOU BETTER NOT SCREW IT UP,343,AND YOU TOO, MICROSOFT!) amazing theory, bro

[Edited on 01.20.2011 1:35 PM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 1:33 PM PDT
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halo started with master chief........it should end with master chief!!!! simple as that

  • 01.21.2011 2:39 AM PDT

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Possibly.

The theory is very probable. I myself have always believe that we are if not directly linked somehow tot he forerunners.

We will just have to wait and see if a book dating back to before the war comes out....

  • 01.21.2011 4:07 AM PDT

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.


Posted by: cameo_cream
Possibly.

The theory is very probable. I myself have always believe that we are if not directly linked somehow tot he forerunners.

We will just have to wait and see if a book dating back to before the war comes out....


we aren't linked to Forerunners, we just have similar DNA. In fact, the Forerunners almost exterminated us completely.

Source - Cryptum.

  • 01.22.2011 12:08 PM PDT

We will know soon enough, but it will require thought. Deep thought. Mendicant Bias must be found. The Mantle will soon follow.

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Posted by: cameo_cream
Possibly.

The theory is very probable. I myself have always believe that we are if not directly linked somehow tot he forerunners.

We will just have to wait and see if a book dating back to before the war comes out....


we aren't linked to Forerunners, we just have similar DNA. In fact, the Forerunners almost exterminated us completely.

Source - Cryptum.




Our DNA is somewhat shared, and is almost exactly alike.

Source - Cryptum.

  • 01.22.2011 12:39 PM PDT

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Signing off,
-because I can

Something just clicked into place-and I think its important that I mention it. In Agustus's link about Halo Legends: Origins Part 2, I watched it through again, especially during the ending where something was depicted for 1 second.

When, under Cortana's eye (which changed from red, to the core panel seen in Halo Wars, then the Forerunner/Precursor symbol, THEN to the halo ring), the halo ring collapsed, fro a split second, though I'm unable to figure out of there was a coded message, a LINE was formed with what looked to be like white boxes and symbols.

There was one other thing to note: when refering to firing the halo ring(s), the term used is to "light it," like when lighting a torch or a FLAME. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Secondly, I may have been imagining it, but the post-ending with the "legendary planet" seemed to light up as well right when the star blinded our view. Is there a Precursor symbol here as well?

Cortana stated, in the trailer, that "this was the way the world ends"--which world?

Guilty Spark assumed that the Ark was part of a series of SHIELD INSTALATIONS, but then believed he was wrong.

Is he really right? What is the symbolism of an ark?
Why does the shields have sharpened edges?
What is the purpose of Sword and Shield?
Why "Covenant?"
Think about it. This isn't a coincidence.

Find the path.
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Voicing my own opinion, I do not believe that there would be an amazing sequel to Halo 3. In the trilogy, a climax was reached at the end of Halo 2-as we all know-and I find that it was fitting John never returned to Earth in Halo 3. But what is left to work with? No flood (partially- the gravemind is dead, but other colonies may still exist) and no Human-Covenant war (the fighting is finally over and peace resumes). The only thing that I can think of, which would not detract from the story, is where we discover what happens to John, though it would be more like an afterward than a plot continuation. Another war would be too much of a stretch, since a second conflict would diminish the importance of the first, and the allegory (yes, it is one, but not of a very grand scale) would be ruined.

Some things that detract from the arguement:
The last segment of the Halo 3 OST of the campaign is named "Greatest Journey" suggesting that the race to the frigate was such.

  • 01.22.2011 4:35 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.5 Origins update

PWNING N00BS!!!

Sorry to tell you bud, but as much as i wish this was true, there cant be. Because if you look on the back of the halo 3 case it says "end of the triagy" which means that the story of Master Chief 117 is over. thats why they came out with ODST and REACH which takes place before everything when the sparten program was still opperational.

  • 01.30.2011 7:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Zaks Back
Sorry to tell you bud, but as much as i wish this was true, there cant be. Because if you look on the back of the halo 3 case it says "end of the triagy" which means that the story of Master Chief 117 is over. thats why they came out with ODST and REACH which takes place before everything when the sparten program was still opperational.


Doesnt meaan 343 can't continue it? Can't contiune MC story?

Nice read btw. I deffinatly think MB has implanted imself somehow within Cortana. Remember he was ripped apart and part of him was sent to the prophets, then implanted into high charity. then was put aboard the forerunner keyship. Then again shiped to the Ark where is was reuinited with his other half. Where he become full again.

Somebody said something about Cortana also being infected by MB in the level Two Betrayals. That's impossible MB wasn't on intillation 04. He was in HC.

I believe he closed the portal on MC, but what I'm very curious about is... why? What purpose is there to this? To show his creators he changed? No. That wouldn't make a very good video game. lol

  • 01.31.2011 1:09 AM PDT

Excellent thread, thanks for sharing. I am a little unsure of the role Offensive Bias has in your theory. As I am snowed in on a buisiness trip and away from my Halopedia, I recall that OB's current status is 'unknown'. OB, as I recall, served two primary functions: defeat MB, then defeat the Flood after the rings fired.

Having done this, OB disappears. It seems logical to me that the Forerunners, knowing that MB turned on them, not only created OB to defeat MB, but also altered their own plans for escape/Great Journey just in case MB defeated OB.

Therefore, MB's only link to the Forerunners IS OB. Is it possible that MB's goal, at the end of H3, is to deliver Master Chief to OB as a sign of his repentance? Or possibly the planet is the beginning of the 'dangerous path' to OB?

Just a thought. Great post:)

  • 02.02.2011 1:58 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

I think it should be started with Master Chief being found by some live forrunners.

  • 02.04.2011 6:03 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.5 Origins update

POMC S117 Owns owns


Posted by: Agustus
At the end of Halo 2 the Gravemind tells Cortana "Now I will ask, and you will answer: (Please correct me if im a little off). Was the Gravemind really asking Cortana this? Or was it asking it old ally? Wanting to know where it stood. Whos side it was on.


Also if there are multiple portal gateways why would the covenant need the one on Earth? And why would Sparks direct them to Earth if there where multiple? Well we know forerunner AI had compartmentalized data. Sparks would know there was some kind of important structure on Earths coordinates. He would not know of the other portals. This is because they do not have the coordinates for whatever it is Chief was sent to. Also in Halo 2 the covenant arrive at earth with few ships (in comparison to reach). This is because they knew where the Portal was (Mediciant could have leaked it somehow) but didn't expect a large human force, if any. In the book first strike, when Cortana says they have the coordinates for Earth. They didn't even know it was Earth. Just where the portal was.

The portal is special for the reason it leads somewhere else other than the Ark. I'd also like to bring up the Reach crystal, the one that had the power to bend time and space. When examining it Dr. Hasley at one point used the word precursor. Later after picies where recovered from the explosion Truth said it still might be enough for there purposes. Could this crystal have something to do with the mysterious legendary planet? Did it have the coordinates to the planet? Only time will tell.


More supporting evidence:
MIKEFLOUNDERS
Small Magellanic Cloud is 200,000 light years away from our galaxy ,our galaxy is 100,000 light years across so the radius is 50,000 light years so 2.5 galactic radius would be 150,000 light years to where chief is and 50.000 light years the the small magellanic cloud in the back ground


So if this is accurate it further supports my theory of being outside the galaxy.


Ghost of Onyx pg. 337
That which must be protected... behind the sharpened edge of the shield... beyond the reach of the swords.... for the reclaimers.


Now many have over looked this. At first glance it seems to refer to the Ark. The shield being the shield worlds (perhaps located in within the Maginot sphere) and the swords the Halo Array.
Now because its beyond the reach of the swords its past this galaxy. Therefore supporting it being the Ark. But from my previous points this could also refer to something greater than the Ark, especially because the portal may have 2 different coordinates.

Halo encyclopedia Page 171:
After the starved Flood died off, the planets were reseeded with the rescued life forms and the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization decided to leave the Galaxy. Their final destination and current status remain unknown.


From those phrases we have 2 general sets of coordinates. Its behind the shield worlds (Maginot sphere, which is where they would have been located) and out side the galaxy. The latter doesn't help much as we already assumed that. The first doesn't help much either because we have no idea where the Maginot sphere is. Perhaps the folks at the galactic map index could dig up some rough estimations.


(Continued)

You are all familiar with the Iris campaign. Yet so many have forgotten. I believe that there is still information to be gained from it, as i'm sure you will also agree by the end of this post.


HISTORY CIRCLING BACK UPON US.

The gears of the Universe spin further
and further apart.
Ever greater grows the gulf between souls,
And distance gives false hope of safety
But for the grim tidings this messenger bears

The enemy is almost upon us

Closing in from all sides,
Moving faster than the light
it snuffs with its passage,
Time echoes with the news of destruction.
History winding back upon itself.

Waves of an army march this way in unison,
Suffering and corruption are its battle cries.
For I have known this darkness
and felt its embrace once before-
Horror best laid to rest

Yet a Journey must commence

Look for the signs, the keepers of the flame.
They will lead you to war, and perhaps, to victory


The "gulf between souls" which is growing greater apart, and the "gears" of the universe are galaxies. We know they continue to fly away from each other. "Giving hope", that the flood will not spread. Almost quarantined. It is a long shot but could the precursors be responsible for the spreading universe? The Flame, an ancient term for a signal, or something that reveals the path ahead or guides you through it. I think the "flame" has something to do with the legendary planet. Perhaps it is the first step in a much larger path. And it also tells us that at the end of this path is war. And also victory. But against what? The flood is the only logical answer. Perhaps what it said was true. It is all inevitable. Could the flood be traveling thought the universe itself (however slowly) spreading from civilization to civilization? This is when the forerunner first encountered it on one of the moons of G 617. We can only speculate.

The "messenger" may be precursor, an AI perhaps. It may have a reference to marathon, the original Greek battle as well as game. A messenger ran from Marathon to Athens to deliver the news, and died after completing the journey. This is where the modern word for a marathon originates.

I would like to convert your attention to this theory If this is correct, and humanity is precursor. It adds a whole new level to this thread. That which must be protected (which we can safely assume is precursor) could be for us to reclaim. Humans would be the rightful heir to it, a legacy we must take up. The only way to truly stop the conflict. We know the forerunner considered themselves the heirs of the precursors. In a similar way to how the Covenant looked at the forerunner. They could have realized they where wrong and that is why they left on their journey. To protect what is ours until we arrive to reclaim it. Or something to that point.

If you remember, the Covenant in Ghost of Onyx where digging up stuff on Earth, other than the Arc. In the first Halo: Legends episode, Forerunner or Precursor ruins are featured. On the pillars, are images of Humans. This means either 1 of 2 things.

1. The Ruins are Forerunner. The pictures are that of there Gods, Precursors. This supports Wolver Frogs theory. It also means we are directly linked to Precursors.

2. The ruins are Precursor. Then it still must be pictures of themselves or something. This also means that there are some Precursor ruins on Earth. The ancient Asians found them, and built there buildings based on them. This means the Precursors had a presence on Earth.

Either way, it is astounding. How shocked would The Forerunner be to discover there own Gods living on a planet, in a humble existence? This explains why we where "special". This also proves we are the heirs to the Precursor empire, and could possibly reawaken ancient powers.

If the Legendary Planet is Precursor, we can now make the educated guess that it all activated when the Chief got near.

Now moving on to Halo Waypoint. What could it possibly have to do with canon? Well, This maybe. The name sake. We have discussed a great journey, a flame guiding us. Signs. Paths. Waypoints...

You barley survived a small infestation


There is more evedince that the final "stop" of the Forerunners journey is indeed precursor. The Iris Star Chart indeed points to this. Forerunner remains are considered artifacts. The only thing that can possibly be an artifact to them is precursor.

In the Halo 3 trailers Cortana famously says 'This is the way the world ends". Theres a problem though. It might just be me but it doesn't look like the world ends in Halo 3. We can assume that this was Mediciant Bias speaking through Cortana. So what did he mean? Could this be the beginning of the end? What time is left to the galaxy is ticking, and it has something to do with the Iris message and Legendary planet. Could there be something greater going on, making the Human conflict seem insignificant by comparison? We thought Halo 3 was the end, but Iris made a different point. That it was only the beginning.
Could it be the way the world ends? Again, the answer lies in plain sight... Please comment and help keep this original thread alive.


The Beginning of the end...




That was an amazing read. But there are a few things I'm not so sure of. I always thought that the shield and sword thing was a bit like what Cortana says in her deranged form. I am probably wrong as that was Ghost of Oynx. Also when the man ran from Marathon to Athens he didn't die. Even though it was longer than 26.6 km - the reason for that being for the convienience of the royal family. But I'm just babbling. It is a very plausable idea and if they make a Halo 4, I hope they invite you to produce it.

  • 02.08.2011 12:41 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

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Well you are right there because Activision are making it.

  • 02.16.2011 6:59 AM PDT

Have you thought about updating it once more to include Halo: Cryptum?

  • 03.20.2011 9:14 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight. V 1.5 Origins update

You. Are. A. Genious. When halo 4 comes out i have a fealing it will have a Really long opening cut-scene explaining everything. I have read the halo books and played the games and I hardly understand the stuff about the "Great journey" or "The Forerunners".

  • 04.02.2011 8:29 PM PDT
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Read Halo Cryptum, it reveals tons about the Forerunners. In fact, the main character is a Forerunner.

  • 04.02.2011 8:34 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4, In plain sight.

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whatever the game is it should be long and have be based on this whole article. you should send it to 343 to use it as a writing template for possible halo 4

  • 04.11.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Thats a big long hard theory, didn't even bother reading it all.

However I believe its wrong. not that what you couldnt be right, but that game developers just arnt that smart.

  • 04.12.2011 6:18 AM PDT

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You sir are amazing. Whether this is true or not, it is believable. Great job =)

YAR This is true Matey

  • 04.12.2011 12:28 PM PDT
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i think its cool you edited this on bungie day

  • 04.15.2011 3:20 PM PDT
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343 WILL make a 4th Halo (as in game) , Its destined to be made.

  • 04.16.2011 4:43 PM PDT