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Subject: Who here thinks ODST doesn't have enough

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It doesn't come with online multiplayer and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. ODST is going to be just as long as Halo 3 and you can beat that game in just a few hours. I liked the idea of ODST better when it was just a little expansion for $40. But there should be 2 versions: ODST = $40 and ODST with all maps = $60. I know they wont change it but it still seems like ODST is missing something.

  • 08.17.2009 8:17 AM PDT
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It's missing a reason for me to part with my cash at this moment.

  • 08.17.2009 8:19 AM PDT

Firefight, a 9 hour campaign, and everthing from Halo 3's multiplayer. Thats not enough?

  • 08.17.2009 8:20 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

The campaign alone makes ODST worth $60. everything else is simply bonus material that makes the game more attractive

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.

  • 08.17.2009 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: JuiceHead
Firefight, a 9 hour campaign, and everthing from Halo 3's multiplayer. Thats not enough?


if that isnt enough i dont know what is

[Edited on 08.17.2009 8:25 AM PDT]

  • 08.17.2009 8:21 AM PDT
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un fortunatly you gotta pay to play 60 does seem pretty expensive, however i got the collectorss

  • 08.17.2009 8:22 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. .


Only because it would defeat your argument if you did.

Try to be a bit more open minded and perhaps you wouldn't be so despondant at the "inperfections" life throws your way.

  • 08.17.2009 8:24 AM PDT

Ya a 9 hour campaign minus all the bonus stuff assuming you play it straight through is a $60 game.

  • 08.17.2009 8:25 AM PDT

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It doesn't seem worth $60 to me but I'm buying it anyways, just wanted to know others opinions.

  • 08.17.2009 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: WizardlyWakish
and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. .


Only because it would defeat your argument if you did.

Try to be a bit more open minded and perhaps you wouldn't be so despondant at the "inperfections" life throws your way.

No that has nothing to do with it, firefight looks retarded. When I get ODST I wont even touch that gametype.

  • 08.17.2009 8:27 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
just wanted to know others opinions.


Why?

  • 08.17.2009 8:27 AM PDT

Its like Gears of War 2 except better campaign and better horde and 10 times beter multiplayer plus forge and theter.

  • 08.17.2009 8:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
just wanted to know others opinions.


Why?

This is a FORUM, is it not?

  • 08.17.2009 8:28 AM PDT

wow realy right now h3 is 40$ at bestbuy take that plus like 5$ for the extra campain and than another 5 for fire fight it will have h3 multiplayer so ya plus the new mythic maps and if that was on the market place it would be 800mp so 10$ that all equals up to 60 stop being cheep kid OH AND THE REACH BETA I WOULD PAY 10$ TO PLAY THAT so if they realy wanted to they could of put it out as 70$ if they wanted to

[Edited on 08.17.2009 8:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.17.2009 8:32 AM PDT
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well, its good that it's not exactly the same as halo 2, or halo 3. but matchmaking could have stayed the same... D:

  • 08.17.2009 8:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: linkfan107
wow realy right now h3 is 40$ at bestbuy take that plus like 5$ for the extra campain and than another 5 for fire fight it will have h3 multiplayer so ya plus the new mythic maps and if that was on the market place it would be 800mp so 10$ that all equals up to 60 stop being cheep kid

I'm not being cheap, the game just doesn't seem worth $60 to me.

  • 08.17.2009 8:34 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
just wanted to know others opinions.


Why?

This is a FORUM, is it not?

That still doesn't answer the question. Why do you care how other people feel about this?

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
No that has nothing to do with it, firefight looks retarded..

You've got to do better than that when talking to me. :)

I say again, try to be open minded, lest you taint a pleasant reality with a frustrating delusion, though someone like you may actaully want that to justify your unjustified, pre-emptive whining.

  • 08.17.2009 8:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
just wanted to know others opinions.


Why?

This is a FORUM, is it not?

That still doesn't answer the question. Why do you care how other people feel about this?

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
No that has nothing to do with it, firefight looks retarded..

You've got to do better than that when talking to me. :)

I say again, try to be open minded, lest you taint a pleasant reality with a frustrating delusion, though someone like you may actaully want that to justify your unjustified, pre-emptive whining.

Firefight looks just like horde and -blam!- zombies, and I've had enough of both. I didn't have fun playing either of them and this looks just the same. And even with firefight ODST just doesn't really feel like a complete game. And what, you're saying bringing up a problem is whining? That's not really fair.

  • 08.17.2009 8:39 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
just wanted to know others opinions.


Why?

This is a FORUM, is it not?

That still doesn't answer the question. Why do you care how other people feel about this?

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
No that has nothing to do with it, firefight looks retarded..

You've got to do better than that when talking to me. :)

I say again, try to be open minded, lest you taint a pleasant reality with a frustrating delusion, though someone like you may actaully want that to justify your unjustified, pre-emptive whining.

Firefight looks just like horde and -blam!- zombies, and I've had enough of both. I didn't have fun playing either of them and this looks just the same. And even with firefight ODST just doesn't really feel like a complete game. And what, you're saying bringing up a problem is whining? That's not really fair.
i love how you ignore my reasoning as to why it is worth it

  • 08.17.2009 8:43 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
And even with firefight ODST just doesn't really feel like a complete game. And what, you're saying bringing up a problem is whining? That's not really fair.


Not when you are judging the game on looks and feel rather than experience.

Reserve all comments, in this regard, for when you actually played the game and have some base to complain from. Otherwise, your critiques will only be viewed as unnecessary whining.

  • 08.17.2009 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
And even with firefight ODST just doesn't really feel like a complete game. And what, you're saying bringing up a problem is whining? That's not really fair.


Not when you are judging the game on looks and feel rather than experience.

Reserve all comments, in this regard, for when you actually played the game and have some base to complain from. Otherwise, your critiques will only be viewed as unnecessary whining.

It's not whining, it's a legitimate problem with the game. Halo 3 had forge, campaign (not a long one) custom games, and it's best feature: multiplayer. That game was completely worth the $60 and it lasted me a full year before I was bored of it. ODST just doesn't look like a game that will last. The campaign might be fun, but it needs to be longer if there wont be any other perks to it.

  • 08.17.2009 8:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: WizardlyWakish
It doesn't come with online multiplayer and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. ODST is going to be just as long as Halo 3 and you can beat that game in just a few hours. I liked the idea of ODST better when it was just a little expansion for $40. But there should be 2 versions: ODST = $40 and ODST with all maps = $60. I know they wont change it but it still seems like ODST is missing something.
You must remember that ODST also comes with the complete Halo 3 multiplayer package (Halo 3: Mythic); and with firefight, that seems like a lot of game content and possibilities.

By your logic, and game that doesn't have a multiplayer form should not be 60 USD. God knows there are a lot of great games that fall under that category.

  • 08.17.2009 8:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: WizardlyWakish
It doesn't come with online multiplayer and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. ODST is going to be just as long as Halo 3 and you can beat that game in just a few hours. I liked the idea of ODST better when it was just a little expansion for $40. But there should be 2 versions: ODST = $40 and ODST with all maps = $60. I know they wont change it but it still seems like ODST is missing something.
You must remember that ODST also comes with the complete Halo 3 multiplayer package (Halo 3: Mythic); and with firefight, that seems like a lot of game content and possibilities.

By your logic, and game that doesn't have a multiplayer form should not be 60 USD. God knows there are a lot of great games that fall under that category.

The best games I have last several days to beat or have great multiplayer to balance it out. This game is just an 8 hour campaign and a gametype I wont even touch. I wish this game had something more.

  • 08.17.2009 8:56 AM PDT

were it so easy

i think there are actually 8-9 missions that i counted in odst but i havent seen that in a while so idk not sure.
and for everyone who doesnt like it thats alright it can be just a rent for you or whatever you see fit. but i see it as being worth it because ive always wanted a horde mode in halo and like playing some new campaign. its all a matter of opinion and with everyones post you arent going to convince the other side if they believe that strongly so just let each other believe in their own opinions.

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  • 08.17.2009 8:57 AM PDT

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OK, OK. Here's what I think of ODST's price tag.

It's $60, or about £35. Now, that's less than I usually pay for a new game. New games in the UK are about £40-45 because of shipping. Now, think about it. Crackdown cost £40 when new, and that only had single player and co-op. Did people complain? No. It also came with Halo 3's Beta, so that was a bonus.

Now, ODST has single player, co-operative play, Firefight, access to three brand new maps, Recon, and Halo: Reach's Beta.

If that's not worth £35, then very little else is.

  • 08.17.2009 8:59 AM PDT

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