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Subject: Who here thinks ODST doesn't have enough

it has way more than h3 and when h3 first came out i think it was 50 or 60 $ if it was 50$ than well u GET EVERY DLC THAT WAS IN H3 FOR IT PLUS ALL THAT EXTRA GOOD STUFF

  • 08.17.2009 8:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlackwaterSaxon
It's missing a reason for me to part with my cash at this moment.


hahaha lol very true...

  • 08.17.2009 9:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
It doesn't come with online multiplayer and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. ODST is going to be just as long as Halo 3 and you can beat that game in just a few hours. I liked the idea of ODST better when it was just a little expansion for $40. But there should be 2 versions: ODST = $40 and ODST with all maps = $60. I know they wont change it but it still seems like ODST is missing something.
You must remember that ODST also comes with the complete Halo 3 multiplayer package (Halo 3: Mythic); and with firefight, that seems like a lot of game content and possibilities.

By your logic, and game that doesn't have a multiplayer form should not be 60 USD. God knows there are a lot of great games that fall under that category.

The best games I have last several days to beat or have great multiplayer to balance it out. This game is just an 8 hour campaign and a gametype I wont even touch. I wish this game had something more.
If ODST doesn't cater to your idea of a good game, then don't buy it. I am personally astonished at the package of content we get for 60 bucks.

  • 08.17.2009 9:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
The campaign alone makes ODST worth $60. everything else is simply bonus material that makes the game more attractive

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.


Zomfg mathematics logic bbq ftw

  • 08.17.2009 9:03 AM PDT

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Well I'm in America so every new game I see is $60, unless it's an expansion which is usually $40, like this one should be.

  • 08.17.2009 9:04 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Well I'm in America so every new game I see is $60, unless it's an expansion which is usually $40, like this one should be.
While Halo 3: ODST is an expansion, it's a stand-alone expansion. Again, look above. We get hours of gameplay, plus firefight (which, I can't imagine why you don't want to touch that), plus the complete Halo 3 multiplayer experience with 3 new maps. While many have already downloaded the available content, others are waiting for ODST to get the maps.

  • 08.17.2009 9:10 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

ODST is a full campaign that is longer than Halo 3's.

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  • 08.17.2009 9:15 AM PDT

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Like I said, it should also come in a $40 version without the maps. The game comes with 1. campaign 2. firefight 3. Reach beta 4. maps. Now in every beta I have ever seen they cost exactly $0. Maps together should cost about $20. If they're going to keep it $60 all together they need to put more into the campaign.

  • 08.17.2009 9:16 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: Sparta4Ever
Posted by: Phoenix1330
The campaign alone makes ODST worth $60. everything else is simply bonus material that makes the game more attractive

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.


Zomfg mathematics logic bbq ftw

  • 08.17.2009 9:16 AM PDT

Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Well I'm in America so every new game I see is $60, unless it's an expansion which is usually $40, like this one should be.
While Halo 3: ODST is an expansion, it's a stand-alone expansion. Again, look above. We get hours of gameplay, plus firefight (which, I can't imagine why you don't want to touch that), plus the complete Halo 3 multiplayer experience with 3 new maps. While many have already downloaded the available content, others are waiting for ODST to get the maps.

like me, the only Halo 3 DLC i have is heroic and cold storage, both free, but im getting legendary and the complete mythic, thats worth at least $25, probably more like $30. That plus the campaign, which will be full length, and firefight, im getting a great deal, if you already got the other DLC, then it sucks to be you, but needing to make your money last has rewards, you get better deals.

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  • 08.17.2009 9:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Drag0nicWarri0r
Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Well I'm in America so every new game I see is $60, unless it's an expansion which is usually $40, like this one should be.
While Halo 3: ODST is an expansion, it's a stand-alone expansion. Again, look above. We get hours of gameplay, plus firefight (which, I can't imagine why you don't want to touch that), plus the complete Halo 3 multiplayer experience with 3 new maps. While many have already downloaded the available content, others are waiting for ODST to get the maps.

like me, the only Halo 3 DLC i have is heroic and cold storage, both free, but im getting legendary and the complete mythic, thats worth at least $25, probably more like $30. That plus the campaign, which will be full length, and firefight, im getting a great deal, if you already got the other DLC, then it sucks to be you, but needing to make your money last has rewards, you get better deals.

Don't forget that this means a few free GBs on the hard-drive.

  • 08.17.2009 9:23 AM PDT

omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

  • 08.17.2009 9:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: linkfan107
omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

I'm going to buy it for $60 but I'm just saying it isn't worth it. It's an expansion and it should have remained $40 with a different version with all maps for $60. Oh and the reason they're just giving us recon is because a new multiplayer comes out next year, and they will give themselves a new recon.

  • 08.17.2009 9:29 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: linkfan107
omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

If any game is a rip-off it's MW2, at least in the UK. There they brought the price up from 40 pounds to 60, that's more than 100 American dollars. O_o

  • 08.17.2009 9:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: linkfan107
omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

If any game is a rip-off it's MW2, at least in the UK. There they brought the price up from 40 pounds to 60, that's more than 100 American dollars. O_o

Well in America the price of MW2 is at and will stay at $60. I'm looking forward to that so much more than ODST.

  • 08.17.2009 9:33 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: linkfan107
omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

If any game is a rip-off it's MW2, at least in the UK. There they brought the price up from 40 pounds to 60, that's more than 100 American dollars. O_o

Well in America the price of MW2 is at and will stay at $60. I'm looking forward to that so much more than ODST.

Why? I'm curious.

  • 08.17.2009 9:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: linkfan107
omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

If any game is a rip-off it's MW2, at least in the UK. There they brought the price up from 40 pounds to 60, that's more than 100 American dollars. O_o

Well in America the price of MW2 is at and will stay at $60. I'm looking forward to that so much more than ODST.

Why? I'm curious.

1. The campaign is okay 2. The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3, and MW2 looks so much better than CoD4.

  • 08.17.2009 9:38 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3.


Then why are you complaining that Halo 3 ODST doesn't have a full multiplayer mode? You'll be playing MW2 anyway so why put up this much of a fight over something that you are clearly not interested in?

Actually I can answer that, attention.

  • 08.17.2009 9:41 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
1. The campaign is okay 2. The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3,
Hahahahaha! Sorry, it's...ha...funny.

  • 08.17.2009 9:41 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3.


Then why are you complaining that Halo 3 ODST doesn't have a full multiplayer mode? You'll be playing MW2 anyway so why put up this much of a fight over something that you are clearly not interested in?

Actually I can answer that, attention.

Your reply > mine.

  • 08.17.2009 9:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3.


Then why are you complaining that Halo 3 ODST doesn't have a full multiplayer mode? You'll be playing MW2 anyway so why put up this much of a fight over something that you are clearly not interested in?

Actually I can answer that, attention.

ODST comes out next month, and MW2 in November. So ODST has to last, but I don't think it will because the game really has nothing to it. This really is the wrong place to say "MW2 > H3" because of course everyone here feels the opposite, so I'm sure I will get flamed soon.

  • 08.17.2009 9:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: Phoenix1330
The campaign alone makes ODST worth $60. everything else is simply bonus material that makes the game more attractive

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.


What ever happened to your thread explaining this.

  • 08.17.2009 9:44 AM PDT

Posted by: darthnazgul
Your reply > mine.


A reply is nothing more than a statement of personal opinions and feelings so any reply=any other one because we are all equal with the right to believe whatever we want to.

You may try to throw up some means of measurement (diction, point,) but ultimately its just self expression and you can't rank that.

  • 08.17.2009 9:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
and I don't really count firefight or whatever it's called. .


Only because it would defeat your argument if you did.

Try to be a bit more open minded and perhaps you wouldn't be so despondant at the "inperfections" life throws your way.

No that has nothing to do with it, firefight looks retarded. When I get ODST I wont even touch that gametype.

Well Firefight thinks you look retarded, along with alot of people in this forum. It's exactly the gametype halo has been lacking and its fans have been craving

  • 08.17.2009 9:49 AM PDT

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