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Subject: Who here thinks ODST doesn't have enough

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3.


Then why are you complaining that Halo 3 ODST doesn't have a full multiplayer mode? You'll be playing MW2 anyway so why put up this much of a fight over something that you are clearly not interested in?

Actually I can answer that, attention.

ODST comes out next month, and MW2 in November. So ODST has to last, but I don't think it will because the game really has nothing to it. This really is the wrong place to say "MW2 > H3" because of course everyone here feels the opposite, so I'm sure I will get flamed soon.

Call Of Duty went downhill as soon as they added the perks, just got old. And the campaign in ODST is most likely going to be the best in Halo, a lot of the Bungie employees said it was their favourite to work on. And in the last update it said that Lars has been playing firefight since it was put in, and that he was still smiling the whole way through. The only thing new in MW2 is the air support and snow mobiles, $60 isn't worth that. Just play Battlefield now THAT'S a good war game series.

  • 08.17.2009 9:49 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
ODST comes out next month, and MW2 in November. So ODST has to last, but I don't think it will because the game really has nothing to it..


Nothing for a COD fan but that's because ODST is not trying to cater to your demographic by tryng to be MW:2. It is a distinctly seperate experience, appealing to different types of players, and as such will last even if there are some, such as yourself, that won't find anything to grab onto.

[Edited on 08.17.2009 9:52 AM PDT]

  • 08.17.2009 9:50 AM PDT

oh please just die

i am so sick of these -blam!- topics

the price will not change, get used to it.

i don't give a -blam!- if you don't think it's worth it, i really don't.

/rant... i'm sorry but this is getting ridiculous

[Edited on 08.17.2009 9:51 AM PDT]

  • 08.17.2009 9:50 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

Posted by: Gdude
Posted by: Phoenix1330
The campaign alone makes ODST worth $60. everything else is simply bonus material that makes the game more attractive

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.


What ever happened to your thread explaining this.

It got pushed back the pages by all the people whining about the price tag. I made one too.

  • 08.17.2009 9:51 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Gdude
Posted by: Phoenix1330
The campaign alone makes ODST worth $60. everything else is simply bonus material that makes the game more attractive

just an FYI it isn't a 5 hour campaign any more. as they said 1 hour per mission and about half an hour between each mission to reach the different way points(Joe Staten said this in the play through of the first mission, it's why he used that teleport 'cheat')

**also i did not include the time it would take to get the audio logs etc as this is extra content not critical to the story. this is a bare minimum calculation**

Now lets do some fairly simple math.

-There are 6 missions if the leaked achievements are to be believed.
-That means 6 one hour missions.
-6 x 1 = 6
-That means there is 6 hours in missions alone. Lets store that number away in our head and -move to the next part of our game length calculations.


-if there are 6 missions that means you need to travel to all 6, Correct? that means there are 6 times you need to travel to a new location, (travel to point one, travel to point 2, travel to point 3, travel, to point 4, travel to point 5, and travel to point 6. That's Six travel times)
-now we were told in the mission walk through by Jo Staten that it's about half an hour to walk to a target point when he used his teleport cheat.
-6Travel times of half an hour each
-6 x 0.5 = 3
-this means that that there is about 3 hours of just running to your objectives alone.
-now to move to the final part of our calculations here


-taking that first number we got from the beginning of ODST's development and the leaked achievements and adding them to the travel time result we get:
-6 hours of missions plus the 3 hours of travel time
-6 + 3 = 9
-This means there is about 9 hours of campaign.

Also note this calculation does not include the "final mission" Bungie has alluded to as it has not been directly confirmed to my knowledge.


This number of 9 hours of campaign is the equivalent of an average FULL game these days.
this with alone by game marketing standards warrants a $60 price tag.

The things people argue that you need for a full price game, often are not included in a campaign oriented game.

A full price title does not need:
-Match Making
-Multiplayer of any form(such as co-op/ split screen)
-a second game mode
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10

A full game must include
-A single player campaign totalling a minimum of 6 hour average playtime OR a fully Multiplayer game(unknown standard)
-1000GS (Xbox 360)


Now ODST fits the Retail Requirements of a full game:
-9+hour campaign(larger than 6 hours)
-1000 independent GS(not related to Halo 3 GS in any way there is 750 GS also available on the Halo 3 multiplayer)
This here in the marketing world Labels ODST as a Full Retail game and is being Priced at $60 like any other full retail game.


As well ODST has:
-A second game mode
-Multiplayer Co-op
Please note that with these features included in a large title often increases the price of the game by $10. In ODST it does not.


So in the end is ODST worth $60?
-By marketing standards YES
-By your standards? Read the above and answer your self reasonably and truthfully. Then ask if it is just your disappointment in it now fitting the above requirements and hence being more expensive than you planned, or are you truly being ripped off? again answer yourself tuthfully.


What ever happened to your thread explaining this.


it's still kicking around somewhere, every so often it lands on the front page again

  • 08.17.2009 9:52 AM PDT

Uber pwnage up the assage passage

Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: WizardlyWakish
The multiplayer of CoD4 is better than H3.


Then why are you complaining that Halo 3 ODST doesn't have a full multiplayer mode? You'll be playing MW2 anyway so why put up this much of a fight over something that you are clearly not interested in?

Actually I can answer that, attention.

ODST comes out next month, and MW2 in November. So ODST has to last, but I don't think it will because the game really has nothing to it. This really is the wrong place to say "MW2 > H3" because of course everyone here feels the opposite, so I'm sure I will get flamed soon.

Call Of Duty went downhill as soon as they added the perks, just got old. And the campaign in ODST is most likely going to be the best in Halo, a lot of the Bungie employees said it was their favourite to work on. And in the last update it said that Lars has been playing firefight since it was put in, and that he was still smiling the whole way through. The only thing new in MW2 is the air support and snow mobiles, $60 isn't worth that. Just play Battlefield now THAT'S a good war game series.

I've been saying this same thing to my friends for months "Halos campaign > Cod4s campaign and Cod4s multiplayer > Halos multiplayer". Sadly nobody here will agree since it's Bungies site. But yes MW2 is definitively worth it because it has great online and alright campaign. The multiplayer is really what is attracting people to it.

  • 08.17.2009 9:52 AM PDT

there is no forge

  • 08.17.2009 9:52 AM PDT

Actually, it's been confirmed a shorter campaign then Halo 3...

  • 08.17.2009 10:07 AM PDT

Uber pwnage up the assage passage

Posted by: ABotelho
Actually, it's been confirmed a shorter campaign then Halo 3...

Everyone has their own version of what's been confirmed. I heard it was shorter yesterday, and now I'm hearing it's longer today. Either way, I still don't think it's worth it.

  • 08.17.2009 10:09 AM PDT

If your going to buy the game then buy it, but don't complain on the forums saying that it's not enough by your standards.

Honestly i think its plenty, there giving all the Halo 3 Maps ever made to date and also a whole other game, that comes with a whole 1000 achievements.

  • 08.17.2009 10:15 AM PDT

In my personal opinion, Cod and halo are two different takes on the FPS. In Cod, you use real guns and shoot people who die after a reasonable amount of bullets. In halo, you feel like an invincible bunny rabbit jumping around in low gravity. I love both, but i don't feel they should be compared. So please, lets stop bringing up cod. were on bungie's website, so there will be incredible bias against it.
ZOMG have u seen the AC-130 trailer for cod?!?

  • 08.17.2009 10:29 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: ABotelho
Actually, it's been confirmed a shorter campaign then Halo 3...


here is proof it is just as long

Video Interview with ODST's Producer

at 3:40 bungie confirms ODST to be a full length game, with a campaign just as long as ANY OTHER GAME

  • 08.17.2009 11:43 AM PDT

ODST has enough content. Its got its campaign, firefight, and halo 3's multiplayer. The thing is, most of us already have halo 3's multiplayer, so we aren't getting as much new content but we are still paying $60. We don't need another disc with halo 3's multiplayer on it, but it's included with ODST so they can justify a $60 price tag.

  • 08.17.2009 11:49 AM PDT

Posted by: WizardlyWakish
Posted by: linkfan107
omg u stubbern fool it has every thing the h3 has right now h3 is only 40$ has way more campain and fire fight plus all the dlc and reach beta oh also the road to recon if bungie realy wanted to put a price to that to but still realy odst i worth 60$ look at all the other games for xb and ps3 most of them when they first come out are 60$ if u realy want it cheep wait for a year were it would prob go down to 40$ or wait for a few months and buy it at game stop

I'm going to buy it for $60 but I'm just saying it isn't worth it.

I like the complete contradiction in this statement. If something wasn't worth the money, then you wouldn't buy it. Period. Saying something is not worth it, then buying it is a total contradiction. You are acknowledging the game's worth by buying it. If you truly believed it wasn't worth it, then you wouldn't do it. But agreeing to buy it validates it's worth, meaning it is worth it.

Just as an after thought:
Campaign: $20 (Half of what you said a normal campaign expansions should cost)
Firefight: $10 (You may not be excited for it, but it is a key component of the game, and has value)
Mythic Maps: $10 (You would have payed this price either way)
Halo: Mythic $20 (Disc 2 for those who haven't read the weekly update. Doesn't matter if you already have Halo 3, that idsc still has value. It's a nice reward for people who have not boughten, or abandoned Halo 3 before Legendary map packs. Is it sad that we loyal fans get screwed? Yes. Does that mean it has no value in the game? No.)

And we're still not counting the Reach beta, which the key for that could be easily sold for at least $20. But it's a payoff for loyal, and unloyal fans. You may not want to give value to some of these pieces, but they are still valuable.

Fact is Halo 3: ODST has more content than some $60 full games, and yet no one complains about those other ones.

[Edited on 08.17.2009 12:15 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2009 12:15 PM PDT
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So don't -blam!- buy it.

my god you people won't stop.

  • 08.17.2009 12:17 PM PDT

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