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Subject: Bungie, PLEASE cater to your hardcore crowd!

Alt+F4=secret weapon in Halo PC!

I'm probably going to catch a lot of crap for this.
However, I think I speak for a lot of people when I give Bungie a heartfelt plea to make Reach accessible and enjoyable to competitive gamers. Give us a BR (or any weapon for that matter) that can four shot from close to long range. Give us weapons that really make a player's skill shine and allow that player to dominate the game if they're good enough with the weapon. Don't cripple the games weapons just to keep the game accessible to new players. That being said, I'm not saying I want Reach to become a elitist game only open to people who play every day and pros. However, Bungie has before and should again be able to build a Matchmaking system powerful enough to keep the new players from playing against people who have been playing the game for years.
My other main plea is for Bungie to build a far better networking system. One of the most frustrating things about Halo 3 on XBL is the network packing that makes me shoot seven shots to kill someone with the BR.
That's my plea.
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  • 08.17.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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Lol, more BR threads. The BR isn't a "hardcore weapon" people have only assumed so. If anything was a "Hardcore weapon" it would be the plasma pistol. THAT takes skill to kill people with.



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(I see a flame war comming though....)

[Edited on 08.17.2009 8:56 AM PDT]

  • 08.17.2009 8:54 AM PDT
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Flame ON

The battle rifle is the most over powered weapon in video game history

Flame OFF

  • 08.17.2009 8:59 AM PDT
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How about have all weapons require skill to shine

  • 08.17.2009 9:02 AM PDT

Sorry your "Hardcore" crowd isn't that hardcore. The Hardcore crowd is the fans of the Original Halo game the Pistol 3 shot kill, NO AUTOAIM, made it a lot harder to play. Instead they dumbed down Halo a lot since then

  • 08.17.2009 9:02 AM PDT
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Lqtm. Skill in video games? That's something that just doesn't make sense to me.

  • 08.17.2009 9:03 AM PDT

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Bungie caters to no one. The BR works for Halo 2 and 3. It wasn't around sans for scant prototypes before Halo 2.

BR isn't a competitive gun either, all the weapons fill a role for killing a foe.

If you want to play a game with guns that kill quickly, there's Call Of Duty, go play that. But Halo games are not Call Of Duty. Halo games play like Halo games.

  • 08.17.2009 9:07 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
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Posted by: TheUseless0ne
Bungie caters to no one.
They cater to the casual players who don't care about the campaign mode

  • 08.17.2009 9:30 AM PDT
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Are you suggesting the over-powered BR that Halo 2 had?

  • 08.17.2009 9:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: LoneStaruner
Sorry your "Hardcore" crowd isn't that hardcore. The Hardcore crowd is the fans of the Original Halo game the Pistol 3 shot kill, NO AUTOAIM, made it a lot harder to play. Instead they dumbed down Halo a lot since then

First of all, Halo 1 had more auto aim that Halo 3 or Halo 2 does.
Second, you're just reinforcing my point. Halo 3 has been dumbed down since Halo 1 and Halo 2, (button glitches anyone) and that's exactly what I'm trying to tell Bungie to fix in Reach.

  • 08.17.2009 9:42 AM PDT

Alt+F4=secret weapon in Halo PC!

Posted by: xHalfEvilx
Are you suggesting the over-powered BR that Halo 2 had?

Yep. What's wrong with having a spawn weapon that can actually kill people? When I spawn on Standoff, I'd like to be able to actually damage the people who are stupid enough to run out across the map even if they're far away from me.

Also, I don't have that much of a problem with the Halo 3 BR with it just being harder to four shot. What I have a problem with is when I put seven bullets into someone and they live to tell the tale due to Bungie's crappy networking system for Matchmaking.
The Halo 3 BR on LAN is nearly twice as powerful as the BR in a regular old game of Team Slayer.

  • 08.17.2009 9:44 AM PDT

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Man, its really hardcore only having to be good with one or two weapons.
That would really suck if you had to weigh in on the advantages of different weapons for different circumstances.

OP, the BR is a great weapon. But it would take more skill if it was not the sole weapon of choice in the game.

  • 08.17.2009 9:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne
Bungie caters to no one.
They cater to the casual players who don't care about the campaign mode

They've said it themselves. They make the games they want to play.

  • 08.17.2009 9:49 AM PDT

Posted by: SS_Crow
Man, its really hardcore only having to be good with one or two weapons.
That would really suck if you had to weigh in on the advantages of different weapons for different circumstances.

OP, the BR is an overpowered weapon. But it would take more skill if it was not the sole weapon of choice in the game.

  • 08.17.2009 9:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: TheUseless0ne
Bungie caters to no one.
They cater to the casual players who don't care about the campaign mode

They've said it themselves. They make the games they want to play.

This.
Also, Bungie does not owe the community anything. They don't have to listen or serve any of you in any respect.

The amount of disrespect on this forum is disappointing.

  • 08.17.2009 9:51 AM PDT
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The BR isn't and never really was "Hardcore". I beat people that are better than me with it, and I lose to people worse than me. It has a lot to do with how well you're doing at that moment and your luck and less to do with skill, figuring the person is at least reasonable at the game.

I don't think Halo has been a "Hardcore" game since the good old days of Halo: CE, and it certainly isn't hardcore in Halo 3.

However, since both the hardcore and not-hardcore players buy the game, Bungie makes lots of money.

  • 08.17.2009 9:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: SS_Crow
Man, its really hardcore only having to be good with one or two weapons.
That would really suck if you had to weigh in on the advantages of different weapons for different circumstances.

OP, the BR is an overpowered weapon. But it would take more skill if it was not the sole weapon of choice in the game.


Hey now, Don't alter my Posts.
The BR is not "that" overpowered. its just that the AR is too close range.

  • 08.17.2009 9:53 AM PDT

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My only main gripes with Halo 3 were the networking issues and lag, and the ridiculous Laser. BR is fine to me, its balanced.

  • 08.17.2009 9:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: RStuck3
Flame ON

The battle rifle is the most over powered weapon in video game history

Flame OFF


The AR is overpowered...

  • 08.17.2009 10:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
My only main gripes with Halo 3 were the networking issues and lag, and the ridiculous Laser. BR is fine to me, its balanced.

Did you even play Halo 2?
Halo 3 does an astounding job with networking.
My brother steals wireless from his neighbors. Which causes him to have a severe disadvantage in CoD4. But in Halo 3, its all pretty legit.

  • 08.17.2009 10:06 AM PDT

Posted by: RStuck3
The battle rifle is the most over powered weapon in video game history

I won't say its overpowered, just overversatile.

Its simply because that although the BR has a huge disadvantage when fighting close range weapons like the AR at close range, it takes a lot of skill on the part of the AR user to consistantly beat people who adapt their BRs to close range combat.

On the flipside, it is much much harder for an AR users to adapt his weapon to medium range combat. To do this, he needs to chuck a grenade over a medium distance, remove the shields, then burst fire to kill.

All the BR guy has to do is chuck a grenade up close and shoot the guy in the head.

All that really needs to be done is that the BR should see a slight decrease in power or rate of fire.

  • 08.17.2009 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: scotsoe
The BR isn't and never really was "Hardcore". I beat people that are better than me with it, and I lose to people worse than me. It has a lot to do with how well you're doing at that moment and your luck and less to do with skill, figuring the person is at least reasonable at the game.

I don't think Halo has been a "Hardcore" game since the good old days of Halo: CE, and it certainly isn't hardcore in Halo 3.

However, since both the hardcore and not-hardcore players buy the game, Bungie makes lots of money.
well said!

  • 08.17.2009 10:09 AM PDT

Alt+F4=secret weapon in Halo PC!

Posted by: SS_Crow
OP, the BR is a great weapon. But it would take more skill if it was not the sole weapon of choice in the game.

Every game has a weapon that is utilitarian. In Halo 3, the BR and the Carbine are the only weapons that are effective at medium range, and Bungie and the community has chosen the BR to be their favored weapon out of the two. Each weapon does have it's purpose, but a default spawn weapon like the BR (and when I say default I mean default in MLG and default in Team BRs obviously) needs to be effective at more ranges than just one. A spawn weapon should be able to take a long range sniper out of his scope, kill at medium range, and at least be able to contest with people at closer ranges (and the BR and the AR are balanced against each other fairly well for the closer ranges). You might have noticed that for the most part, I have just described the Halo 3 BR (except somewhat for the long range part). I don't have a huge problem with the Halo 3 BR. I wish it was a little more effective at long ranges and that the spread wasn't as random, but the only time the H3 BR really ticks me off is when networking packing kicks in, and that's a whole different problem.

  • 08.17.2009 10:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: SS_Crow
OP, the BR is a great weapon. But it would take more skill if it was not the sole weapon of choice in the game.

Every game has a weapon that is utilitarian. In Halo 3, the BR and the Carbine are the only weapons that are effective at medium range, and Bungie and the community has chosen the BR to be their favored weapon out of the two. Each weapon does have it's purpose, but a default spawn weapon like the BR (and when I say default I mean default in MLG and default in Team BRs obviously) needs to be effective at more ranges than just one. A spawn weapon should be able to take a long range sniper out of his scope, kill at medium range, and at least be able to contest with people at closer ranges (and the BR and the AR are balanced against each other fairly well for the closer ranges). You might have noticed that for the most part, I have just described the Halo 3 BR (except somewhat for the long range part). I don't have a huge problem with the Halo 3 BR. I wish it was a little more effective at long ranges and that the spread wasn't as random, but the only time the H3 BR really ticks me off is when networking packing kicks in, and that's a whole different problem.

I guess the thought never crossed your mind that you could spawn with a Medium Long (Br) and a Medium Close (Ar) weapon set. And any swapping from there would be purposeful shifting of your capabilities.
I agree the AR spawn on large maps sucks. But still, the BR being the only weapon that is ever needed does not encourage diversity.

  • 08.17.2009 10:13 AM PDT

Alt+F4=secret weapon in Halo PC!

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Posted by: flamedude
My only main gripes with Halo 3 were the networking issues and lag, and the ridiculous Laser. BR is fine to me, its balanced.

Did you even play Halo 2?
Halo 3 does an astounding job with networking.
My brother steals wireless from his neighbors. Which causes him to have a severe disadvantage in CoD4. But in Halo 3, its all pretty legit.

Are you serious? I didn't play Halo 2 enough to really judge that game networking wise, but Halo 3 just fails. You might not notice it all that much, but if you start to play gametypes where that last BR shot really counts you'll start to notice some problems. The design of having each BR bullet use a different packet on the internet is poor, and the way that the BR bullets get returned to your clips just compound things. Let's do some math:
Each BR shot = 3 bullets = 3 packets
Let's say one packet gets lost somewhere. That means you're one bullet down on the guy.
Next your lost bullet gets returned to your BR for some reason. I have no idea why Bungie programmed the game to do this, but they did, so now your next shot only contains one bullet.
So let's say you and another guy each start firing at the same time. You both land two shots. You need to land two more to out BR the guy, but out of your next shot, only two bullets hit, and because of the bullet return stuff your next shot only shoots one bullet. So from two shots, you only get one. So by this time the other guy has four shotted you and you're only been able to get the damage from 3 shots onto him after firing four.

  • 08.17.2009 10:18 AM PDT

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