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Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory

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OP, well done. Excellent excellent work.

  • 11.16.2010 9:40 AM PDT

My opinion is better than yours because I have a somewhat good K/D. And I'm 14

This is so true.

  • 11.16.2010 3:41 PM PDT

Only thing I gotta mention (probably has already been mentioned but).

The ark is outside of the range of the halos. And while it certainly save species by wiping out the floods food, it also acts as a safe haven from the flood. When the halos were first fired, the foreruner brought a sample of every species they could to the ark (there's a reason the environments are all so livable....so people can live there of course). They then used their machiens to redistribute the species back to their home planets once the flood had fully starved.

Another thing worth pointing out. The great journey is indeed real, as the forerunners did embark on it after firing the halos. However how one goes on it is still quite the mystery.

  • 11.17.2010 10:10 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

I believe you are wrong about the covenant.

I think they represent Muslims who want to convert everyone to their religion and believe everyone else is an infidel and that the humans disrespect forerunner technology (just like how Muslims today don't like people depicting Muhammad and things like that).
Also, the suicide grunts may very well be symbolism of suicide bombers who will offer their lives to be martyrs and join the great journey.

The humans are Christians who in the 14th century or some time around then I believe were very nearly completely conquered by muslims until some notable battle were won and the muslims were eventually driven back.

[Edited on 11.17.2010 11:07 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2010 11:05 PM PDT

Well done i always noticed little things that you pointed out but you did a great job tying all the nuances together, but i think the Covenant reminds me of the church not the muslims tho that probably ties into it with the different species that are controlled by the covenant and hate each other (elites and brutes). The Catholic in particular. Where as you said the "law" is followed blindly but is often misinterpreted, i.e the forrunners/the bible, and the leaders use their power to control the masses for their own ends, wiping out humanity/the crusades (power and weath in the form of holy relics or treasure/holy land). The leaders promise their followers salvation in all the varying religions and use their power to excuse their actions, all of the killing done both by christians and muslims in the name of religion.

I think the humans are the people who live according to Christ's actions and follow his teaching, and isn't a clash of religions because back then both were wrong and used religion as an excuse for gain of wealth and/or power. I think its more about all people (different covenant species) being mislead by the so called leaders of the Covenant/religions. And that the humans are descendants of the forrunners, the forrunners being disciples/ followers of christ.

[Edited on 11.18.2010 4:07 PM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 3:53 PM PDT

Busy guarding misplaced gates to nothing.

I've always thought of the covenant as puritan christians, things that will do anything for their religion even if it is mass genocide. I've never thought of any religion that the humans were a part of... possibly atheist? Its not really a religion, but the humans never fought for their beliefs like the covenant did. The really fought to keep their civilization to stay alive and not get wiped out by the flood or the covenant.

  • 11.20.2010 7:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: IngMaster2
I've always thought of the covenant as puritan christians, things that will do anything for their religion even if it is mass genocide. I've never thought of any religion that the humans were a part of... possibly atheist? Its not really a religion, but the humans never fought for their beliefs like the covenant did. The really fought to keep their civilization to stay alive and not get wiped out by the flood or the covenant.

I saw Covenant as Muslim. They fit better.

  • 11.21.2010 12:20 PM PDT
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Three pages of The God Delusion make more sense than the entire Bible combined.[/quote][/quote]You, my good sir, have been terribly miss-informed about Christians. If you ever met a Christian, and told them exactly what you wrote, I'm sure they would have no problem sitting down and discussing it with you. Not forcing the Bible up your nose. TALKING about it. Christian's who behave the way you described do, in fact, exist. But they don't represent our faith. The vast majority of Christians are used to people challenging their faith with accusation. And they (myself included) will gladly explain to you what they can.


If only more people were like you. Unfortunately, a good portion of people I have talked to in real life do not bode well when I challenge their beliefs, but I will steadfastly take challenges towards mine, and then proceed to enforce what I believe on every front necessary. Religion is not a right or a wrong issue with me, it's a at least believe in something because there is enough proof that it's plausible issue. If you see someone spouting off some nonsense about Scientology to kids wouldn't you at least wonder why the hell anyone could believe that kind of stuff? I'm the same way with a Judeo-Christian God.


The reason Christianity hasn't changed at its core for thousands of years is because it works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. If you were going to but software for your computer would you buy the software that works and requires no maintenance or would you rather have the one with tons of bugs that needs constant updates to fix them?

There is an absolute ton of evidence to prove Jesus Christ existed and done all that the New Testament (Historical, accurate, eye witness documentation, this is also proven, message me for it)has recorded. Theres even secular documents from the same time and region that record Jesus' existence.

Why did tens of thousands of Palestinians convert to Christianity in the first century? Why is there over 5000 manuscript copies of the New Testament documents from around the same time shortly after Jesus death from all across the region and even Greece? People had to believe in him for a reason,they weren't stupid back then, they didn't believe things without evidence just like us. What did Jesus do to make them believe in him? What did the apostles do after his death? They couldn't have tricked that many people. Even if they somehow did what would be the point? They had nothing to gain by doing this and had everything to lose just so they could tell people to love each other and love God.

I could go on about how they can prove the great flood with sea creature fossils being found in the top of the Himilayas and the middle of Australia where there is no body of water. "Snapshot fossilization", accelerated rock formations, continental drift by streams under the earth's surface.

But I get the feeling no matter how much evidence I throw at you, you're just going to think the worst of me still. So I'll make you a deal. I'm going to go pray for us, that what I believe to be God's will happens and we'll see what happens when we die.

Hey if you're right I still lived a good life and died believing I was going to Heaven and you maybe the same without the last part. But If I'm right then I'm afraid the outcome will not be in your favor.

Hence why I'm going to go pray in all sincerity that you wake up and see the real evidence that Athiesm is a destructive fad that people are being lied to with. And that its "elite" are sad people who hate others for having some kind of hope justified or not. And I'm also going to pray that God reveals himself to you in your life so that you can know him.

You tell us to make up our own minds and think for ourselves. Why don't you do the same?
QFT i will be praying for him as-well i would rather die believing and find out there's no god then die a non believer and find out there is.

  • 11.21.2010 2:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Posted by: IngMaster2
I've always thought of the covenant as puritan christians, things that will do anything for their religion even if it is mass genocide. I've never thought of any religion that the humans were a part of... possibly atheist? Its not really a religion, but the humans never fought for their beliefs like the covenant did. The really fought to keep their civilization to stay alive and not get wiped out by the flood or the covenant.

I saw Covenant as Muslim. They fit better.
I think the Covenant is religions in general. At least all religions who believe in glorious afterlife. Christianity is no different from Islam in this fashion.

I see nothing supporting this apparently popular "humans=christians muslims=covies" crap.

[Edited on 11.21.2010 2:56 PM PST]

  • 11.21.2010 2:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Posted by: IngMaster2
I've always thought of the covenant as puritan christians, things that will do anything for their religion even if it is mass genocide. I've never thought of any religion that the humans were a part of... possibly atheist? Its not really a religion, but the humans never fought for their beliefs like the covenant did. The really fought to keep their civilization to stay alive and not get wiped out by the flood or the covenant.

I saw Covenant as Muslim. They fit better.
I think the Covenant is religions in general. At least all religions who believe in glorious afterlife. Christianity is no different from Islam in this fashion.

I see nothing supporting this apparently popular "humans=christians muslims=covies" crap.

When I said that, I meant Muslims are willing and urged to kill large people groups to spread their religion. Christians are not. Covenant are willing to kill large people groups to spread their religion. Therefore, Covenant are more like Muslim than Christian.

And you do not have to believe the theory, it is merely here for the enjoyment of [Christian] readers.

  • 11.21.2010 3:41 PM PDT

Very nice job! Believe it or not, this will actually help alot with a paper I have to write. :)

  • 11.21.2010 6:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Posted by: IngMaster2
I've always thought of the covenant as puritan christians, things that will do anything for their religion even if it is mass genocide. I've never thought of any religion that the humans were a part of... possibly atheist? Its not really a religion, but the humans never fought for their beliefs like the covenant did. The really fought to keep their civilization to stay alive and not get wiped out by the flood or the covenant.

I saw Covenant as Muslim. They fit better.
I think the Covenant is religions in general. At least all religions who believe in glorious afterlife. Christianity is no different from Islam in this fashion.

I see nothing supporting this apparently popular "humans=christians muslims=covies" crap.

When I said that, I meant Muslims are willing and urged to kill large people groups to spread their religion. Christians are not.
I don't see where you figured that out. Please don't say recent events or Israel; that's about politics, not religion.

  • 11.21.2010 9:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Posted by: IngMaster2
I've always thought of the covenant as puritan christians, things that will do anything for their religion even if it is mass genocide. I've never thought of any religion that the humans were a part of... possibly atheist? Its not really a religion, but the humans never fought for their beliefs like the covenant did. The really fought to keep their civilization to stay alive and not get wiped out by the flood or the covenant.

I saw Covenant as Muslim. They fit better.
I think the Covenant is religions in general. At least all religions who believe in glorious afterlife. Christianity is no different from Islam in this fashion.

I see nothing supporting this apparently popular "humans=christians muslims=covies" crap.

When I said that, I meant Muslims are willing and urged to kill large people groups to spread their religion. Christians are not.
I don't see where you figured that out. Please don't say recent events or Israel; that's about politics, not religion.
*facepalm*

  • 11.22.2010 1:27 AM PDT

I am a practicing traditional Catholic.

I don't see where you figured that out. Please don't say recent events or Israel; that's about politics, not religion. - Mutoid Log.

Read The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer. It is very true what Screamo Luvr says.

[Edited on 11.22.2010 4:49 AM PST]

  • 11.22.2010 4:46 AM PDT

I must say that it is very well thought out but its hard to say if its true or not. Jesus is a story of humanity too so I believe it would be hard not to find a connection. Well written though and a very unique perspective. A lot of thinking and understanding and i admire that, well done.

  • 11.26.2010 9:35 PM PDT

I dont agree that the muslims are cov and humans are christians. "I meant Muslims are willing and urged to kill large people groups to spread their religion. Christians are not" I dont agree with this either. back with the crusades and even the middle ages when Rome fell and the Church ruled Europe for about 1000 years Christians killed people and converted people. The also used their power over the kings and used their power(excommunication) to control the kings of this period.

[Edited on 11.26.2010 9:47 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2010 9:43 PM PDT
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too...lo...JUST EPIC

  • 11.27.2010 8:50 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Funny, I always did imagine Master Chief metaphorical to the second coming of Jesus.

  • 11.27.2010 9:04 PM PDT
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This Soffish do not eat.

This was an extremely well-written thread with excellent arguments backed up with flawless research.

My thanks to the original poster, you've just made my day! =)

  • 11.29.2010 2:15 PM PDT

If someone already handled this in the 18 pages I didn't read, then I'm sorry. However...
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.

While it may parallel the pop-culture understanding of the crusades, it's far from the actual story. Muslims from the Ottoman Empire had been making armed advances into southern Europe for years before the First Crusade.

While heavily outnumbered, and equipped with lesser technology, the First Crusade moved and fought cohesively against the scattered and disorganized Saracen armies. During a long period of occupation, the Saracens grew organized as the Europeans fell to political infighting and division. Eventually, Saladin drove the Europeans out of Jerusalem, and the subsequent crusades were half-hearted, disorganized and unsucessful attempts to take it back.

  • 11.29.2010 4:55 PM PDT

I am a practicing traditional Catholic.

This thread is certainly popular.

  • 12.10.2010 12:18 AM PDT

I don't nessacarily agree with what you are saying, but you make a very good argument and your research is quite extensive. Great job.

But, people said the same thing about Star Wars.

Bungie may have wanted to make that allusion in Halo, but overall it's a videogame. It was meant to make bloody computer generated war, not to teach us a lesson about Christ or God. It is a very inspiring story, but not to religous ends. So, I'm going to continue to make bloody computer generated war, and call it what it is.

And if it takes a videogame in order to make people notice religion, then what happens?

  • 12.10.2010 6:50 AM PDT

Here's your sign

Hmm nice comparison.

  • 12.11.2010 2:41 PM PDT

I'm fat, bro. You jelly?

I have thought some of how the story could be related to the bible, but i didn't think too much on it.

This is very cool man.

  • 12.12.2010 4:56 PM PDT

Yes, I AM just that awesome.

STANDING OVATION, YAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
(Unless ur a Baptist)

  • 12.16.2010 5:08 PM PDT