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Posted by: Warriersolid47
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled
God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity
The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.
Haha sorry to bring ACTUAL HISTORY into this discussion bit I am so surprised that nobody called you out on this. The Jews actual controlled what is now Israel back in the day, it was the romans who took them over. Then they were taken over by the Muslims. So ipso-facto the Muslims took what is rightfully the Jews homeland. At least the Jews allowed Christians to come to the Holy Land peacefully. For all of you that believe that catholics are terrible because of the crusades you really need to open up the history books. The first crusade undertaken by the Catholics was to reclaim the Holy land in the name of god from the invading Muslims who attacked, killed and did not allow other religious views in its borders.
So please Cheewawa before you try to slam Christians, learn some history :). Here is a dumbed down version of why the crusades happened so you can become intelligent. Good attempt to demonize christians though :)... <http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/crusades.stm>
Biased source is biased? its the website of the Methodist Church, for crying out loud. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but they're Christian.
And, I'd like to point out that when the Crusaders took Jerusalem during the First Crusade, they slaughtered almost everyone. This included men, women, and children, muslims, orthodox christians, and others, not because they were the Muslims they were fighting, but because they didnt believe in the Crusader's particular version of Christianity (Roman Catholic).
When the Muslim armies later conquered Jerusalem under Salah ad-Din (Saladin), he let anyone who wanted to leave the city leave peacefully, no matter the religion. Granted, this was due to a deal with the defending Crusaders involving killing their Muslim captives and destroying the Dome on the Rock, among other things. The Crusaders, as part of this deal, were supposed to pay a fee for each man, woman, and child who left the city, but Saladin let almost all go without their fee payed. Afterwards, he invited Jews to settle the city, and there was religious tolerance.
The Jews hadn't ruled the city of Jerusalem since before the founding of Christianity. If you actually read the Bible, you would know that Pilate and the government were Roman, which even by your account ruled after the Jews.
You, my good sir, are the one who needs to learn "ACTUAL HISTORY", rather than what some would classify as propaganda.
Good attempt to demonize muslims though :)...
just for the record, I am an atheist. I am because I have explored and learned about multiple different religions from multiple points of view, and find myself disagreeing with most, if not all, of what religion today stands for. So my opinion's about as "unbiased" as it can get religion-wise, seeing as I have learned and relearned about the Crusades in particular from the perspective of Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Jews, AND Muslims.
and this is why religious topics aren't allowed in the forums...
OT: For anyone who's read Cryptum, I'll try to avoid spoilers but the Forerunners believed in something called "the Mantle", which they observed and worshipped in a way similar to Christians. From the viewpoint of Halo backstory being real history, human religions were based off of the Forerunner's beliefs, combined with things that happened to the original "Humans", especially as far as the "Old Testimate", as Cheehwawa pointed out with things like the Ark, Halo's, Noah (the Librarian), a "Holy Land" for the "religious followers" after extreme suppression at the hand of their enemies (humanity and Erde-Tyrene). There are more, so the real question is: did bungie originally set out intending it to be a Christian allegory, or if they did all this intentionally to make their created universe that much more deep, immersive, and intriguing?
If the answer is the second, I, for one, would be extremely impressed, but this IS bungie we're talking about. :)
[Edited on 01.06.2011 4:32 PM PST]