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Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory

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  • 06.14.2011 11:10 PM PDT

you are what you dare.

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Im pretty sure religious discussion is prohibited according to the forum rules.

it is, however, this would have been flagged by a forum ninja if it wasn't a valid argument- which it is. as a christian, you would expect me to say oh no this doesnt have anythig to do with the bible, but to much proof is given to even think of denying any of it.

  • 06.15.2011 8:05 PM PDT

Short but Sweet

You sir, are grasping at straws.

  • 06.15.2011 9:57 PM PDT
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Read this word for word.
Greatest. Thread. Ever.

  • 06.15.2011 10:28 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

The only thing this shows is how the religious can see their faith in almost anything. Me personally? I saw the "Biblical" references as "debunking" Biblical accounts, and disproving much of the beliefs based on the book.

I also get a strongly "anti" religious theme, as the Covenant are crazy zealous about their religion, and it's shown to be a fool's errand.

  • 06.15.2011 11:04 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: jack0fhearts
The only thing this shows is how the religious can see their faith in almost anything. Me personally? I saw the "Biblical" references as "debunking" Biblical accounts, and disproving much of the beliefs based on the book.

I also get a strongly "anti" religious theme, as the Covenant are crazy zealous about their religion, and it's shown to be a fool's errand.

Didn't Jason Jones say it was sort of based on the Bible?

  • 06.17.2011 2:52 PM PDT

No offence, but all religions are pretty much the same. There all stories. And most of them are not even true. I mean there are 18+ Pagan gods with the same story and lifeline as jesus, along with many othere gods, if you dont believe me research it. It all has to do with astronomy. im forteen and i noticed this and studied it before i even saw this movie but i recomend watching it, it explains what i am trying to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw


watch all parts to it

  • 06.17.2011 5:24 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Didn't Jason Jones say it was sort of based on the Bible?

I don't know, nor do I care. I don't see anything in Halo relating to Christianity in a supportive manner. To be brutally honest, it more seems as though it's mocking it.
"Oh, silly ancient humans, it wasn't a water flood, it was the parasitic Flood," "God? Ha! More like Forerunners during early human history..." etc, etc.

  • 06.17.2011 6:12 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: DoctorPsychology
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The Covenant could represent the Religious Jews that upheld law instead of God.

And what I've said is a fail... how? The Covenant are very blatantly shown as a religiously driven society - much like the Abrahamic faiths. This is shown in a negative manner, as their religious goal of "The Great Journey" is shown to be a misunderstanding and basically a lie, and one simple detail (Humanity's relation to the Forerunner,) would bring the entire thing crashing down.

Yeah, that's upholding a religious allegory, alright...

  • 06.17.2011 6:18 PM PDT

I suspect llamas are secretly wizards. I <3 poptarts n' milk. I like me. Grimick is defined as: a logical parodox, the act of funnaling a potato down your throat, and a deliciously flavored muffin (with pecons and blueberries). Norway is the Swedish word for 'moron'. My sister has cancer, so i get to use handicap parking and cut small children in line at Disneyland.

"Don't eat doughnuts on thin ice."

"The pancake, my friend, has officially been flipped."

That is a really cool way to look at the halo series :)

  • 06.20.2011 5:26 PM PDT

I suspect llamas are secretly wizards. I <3 poptarts n' milk. I like me. Grimick is defined as: a logical parodox, the act of funnaling a potato down your throat, and a deliciously flavored muffin (with pecons and blueberries). Norway is the Swedish word for 'moron'. My sister has cancer, so i get to use handicap parking and cut small children in line at Disneyland.

"Don't eat doughnuts on thin ice."

"The pancake, my friend, has officially been flipped."

It is interesting to think about how real events inspire great stories; with reflective plots and themes, an sometimes even references.

  • 06.20.2011 5:29 PM PDT

Deal with it.


Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.


Actually the name for the Arbiter was originally going to be "The Dervish" which is a muslim term, also the "Prophet of Truth" is another name for Mohammad. I think Bungie was trying to make the Covenant look more like muslims, and humanity as a less religion based species as only a few characters in the universe speak of God (Johnson and dutch being notable ones).

  • 06.22.2011 9:52 AM PDT

Deal with it.


Posted by: jack0fhearts
The only thing this shows is how the religious can see their faith in almost anything. Me personally? I saw the "Biblical" references as "debunking" Biblical accounts, and disproving much of the beliefs based on the book.

I also get a strongly "anti" religious theme, as the Covenant are crazy zealous about their religion, and it's shown to be a fool's errand.


I kind of got that too, however i look at it more as the Covenant being an example of what happens when mortal beings gain too much power in a religion. A real life example also being; Jesus teaching about a democratic worldview and equality among every man and woman, and then early Christians (Mainly Roman Catholic) turning it into a power play for the pope.

  • 06.22.2011 10:00 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: wonderbreadd
I think Bungie was trying to make the Covenant look more like muslims,


Really? I always got kind of a Catholic "Spanish Inquisition" feel.

  • 06.22.2011 10:27 AM PDT
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BLAM!

jackOfhearts: man, you speak the truth. good on ya. smart dude right there.

  • 06.22.2011 10:34 AM PDT

"Let the big man do his work"
"Look, Reach has been good to me, time has come to return the favor. Don't deny me this. Tell 'em to make it count." - Jorge 052
Terminus Est- Forward unto the end

I want some of the posters in this thread to read this VERY carefully. Those that came into this thread to post about how we are all idiots or zealots for believing that Halo CAN be seen as a Christian allegory, get out. There is truly no need for your assinine attempts at flaming the people here. If you disagree, you can either point to evidence that proves otherwise, or leave. I mean, if everyone here is trying to have a valid theological discussion in a mature manner, then how do you think it makes you look when you come in here and tell us that we are wrong and you are right but don't show us any evidence to support your claims? Seriously, if you have nothing to contribute, -blam!- off.

  • 06.27.2011 5:49 PM PDT

My name is Legion, for we are many.

I've got to give you a lot of credit because you're evidently a hardworking person and a deep thinker. This page is well written and you make several points worth thinking about....

...but you do know that, ironically, no religious discussion is allowed on Bungie Universe?

  • 06.28.2011 6:53 AM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: wonderbreadd
I think Bungie was trying to make the Covenant look more like muslims,


Really? I always got kind of a Catholic "Spanish Inquisition" feel.


How about this: the Covenant represent those who are misguided and mislead by false prophets (another biblical referance: 3 false prophets, one of whom was killed by the Flood) as well as those who would use faith as a weapon (the Prophets).

The Covenant represent modern day humanity. We are blinded by Anger
greed
fear
over reliance on superiors to dictate our life and finally
an extreme thirst for power

Only those that are mature enough to look beyond the lies, look beyond the hatred, anger, fear, and power, those who retain their individuality and see the truth can possibly become more then they are.

The Precursors represent God and his goodness, the ones who gave humanity, and by extension, maybe the universe, life in their image. The Prisoner, or Gravemind is Lucifer, an Angel caste down from Heaven to be eternally damned while the rest of the good remained in eternal peace and paradise

It isn't a mockery of religion, the Covenant merely represent those who are misguided.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 10:15 AM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 10:15 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
It isn't a mockery of religion, the Covenant merely represent those who are misguided.

Perhaps "mockery" was a little strong. Satirical representation would be more accurate.

However, in terms of assigning Christian figures to elements in the Halo Universe, we run into a couple problems;
-There were several Precursors, which would suggest Polytheism rather than Monotheism, potentially much in the same way that Assassin's Creed has all the ancient Roman Gods as an alien race.
-The Flood (and in turn the Gravemind,) didn't "fall from grace" in any way. If anything they were a "Pandora's Box" of sorts, again another Pagan allegory.

Now, as for the Covenant, they find all of this ancient stuff and completely misinterpret it, and become misled through various issues. Through reading several of the books, we know the Covenant's religion to be a complete lie, one that is upheld for political and personal reasons through the whim of a mad-man. I'll leave my personal insights out at this point, but the Covenant seem to "represent" organized religion, if anything at all.

  • 06.28.2011 10:35 AM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

long as hell!(didnt read sorry)

  • 07.03.2011 3:10 PM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

Awesome job. As a Christian myself I loved your ibterpretation.

  • 07.06.2011 11:41 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

Halo is not an allegory for Christian mythology. It simply stole some names and ideas from it.

That you can identify things as allegorical even when it was unintentional speaks more to the lurking power of devices like the Monomyth and patterns of human thought.

  • 07.07.2011 2:51 AM PDT