Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory
  • Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory
Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

do you now how much I love halo,

But Ok! Since the covenant are so religious then why not let he people(fans) hear you out....




Posted by: x2 and dock
Again the christian theme of halo might be a far-out side story, like lord of the rings.

Lord of the ring had a man returning as king, and the earth made by God or iluvator whom fights Morgoth his once servant.
I think when we think of chronicles of Narnia, the allegory is clearly seen, as aslan as Christ and even the way aslan is portrayed (A lion going like a lamb the slaughter).

So halo might have very christian allegory's but not like Narnia or even lord of the rings.
Its hard to miss Narnia's christian allegory, very nearly impossible. Halo's.. is slightly more dim and unclear.

Sorry if you could not understand me.. I can rarely put my thoughts into words....


PS. lol i can understand what you mean waste of bytes since it does not change anything, but i think its always good to try to understand things better... like halo.

  • 08.22.2009 7:40 AM PDT

Opps sorry if made out you were not interested in halo. I do agree with some of the things you said.
I just mean't sometimes its just better to think about things.

Everything i said was just idea, way i saw it. I was not trying to make a point, or be nasty.

  • 08.22.2009 8:02 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Every one NEEDS to think, or they will no longer exist, its also part of health to but whatever.

Saved thread, I want to hear what people say about it.

  • 08.22.2009 8:23 AM PDT

Trancient, the purpose of this post is to get people to think. I don't fully understand why you're rambling on about wasted bytes. I'm not doing this to immortalize my theory or to convert people to Christianity via Halo. That's a ridiculous notion. This is called Bungie Universe for a reason, and the whole reason this forum is here is to discuss topics like this one.

  • 08.22.2009 1:10 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

http://www.rewards1.com/index.php?referrer_id=1041052 do offers/surveys and receive points to then order rewards 100% legit. i swear this works and i love this website

  • 08.22.2009 6:39 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: IceWeasel

Joseph Campbell, in his wildly successful socio-psychological-mythological 1940's smash hit book (The Hero with a Thousand Faces), he describes all of the best and enduring stories of our time borrow off of most of the same blueprints within our psyche. Or else, at a cognitive level, from other stories that do.


I think that is an excellent way to look at things, I was unsure as to whether you viewed this as an evangelist tool, which was more or less what I was looking for.

nice talking with you.

  • 08.24.2009 5:45 PM PDT

It's cherry, tastes like strawberry, looks like watermelon, and you think it's raspberry just because.

Very, very nice. I also noticed many of these references to scripture (seeing as they were actual parts of dialouge and impossible to miss, probably the only way I would notice them). Although, I thought that Halo had an atheistic view. My reasons for this were; the Covenant were shown to be wrong in their religion, and were going to end all life instead of saving it; the elites, who gave up their religion after listening to the wisdom of the Oracle, were shown to be the best out of all the alien races (this could be argued with the fact that since they followed Master Chief, they would have been following a Christ figure, according to your theory); the humans were descendants of the Forerunners, and said to have been placed on Earth by them (I think); the Ark was destroyed by a Halo, and in effect the religion destroyed itsself.

I'm really not sure about any of this, and am leaning more toward your theory. But I thought I'd just post some of my thoughts.

EDIT: Also, for the record, I am a Christian, so I'm not just making up stuff to discredit a theory that is ultimately threatening to my overeactive-to-any-mention-of-religion atheist life.

[Edited on 08.25.2009 2:59 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2009 2:57 PM PDT

It's cherry, tastes like strawberry, looks like watermelon, and you think it's raspberry just because.

Posted by: Trancient Ghost
Waste of bytes.

Bungie.net is the work of many talented people within, also they use verypowerful computers and servers and storage equipments to save and guard the data and all stats from halo 3 and all other crap, but mostly nothing last for ever, in years to come, the Bungie servers(storage or what you say it is) will have to be replace with other newer ones.

And History will repeat itself over again, I dont care if bungie has made one of my favorite games of the one I have, but it also means they(bungie) can get away/overpower the whole world or deny you acces to your whants or needs. BUT there are rules and only a good percent of them are followed, but they just say it to terrorize people that don't dare say it in front of them.

this thread was well writen but I dont get it, you have to get to the point. but never the less.

Umm...was this supposed to be coherent in any manner?


b]Posted by:[/b] Trancient Ghost
Every one NEEDS to think, or they will no longer exist, its also part of health to but whatever.

Saved thread, I want to hear what people say about it.

So, you are suggesting that people who are Christian/religious do not think, am I right? Because if I'm not please correct me.
Christians/religious people are thinking people, and many of them do think very seriously about there religion, and even have trouble with it sometimes. Some even turn away from their religion. But more are reaffirmed in their beliefs, either because of something that has happened to them, or things in the Bible which they are impossible to disagree with. For me, it is a mix of the two. When I was little, I recieved a vision (right before my eyes, not just something that happened in my head) of me yelling, "Look out," and an action figure that I was throwing hitting someone in the head, and a voice from no where (it didn't match the voice of anyone around, and seemed to come from inside of me. Crazy, I know) saying, "Don't throw it." Then, I shook off the feeling thinking of my active imagination. So, I threw the toy, and then the events played out exactly as they had right before my eyes a moment ago. As well as this, I have seen programs of scientists saying that many things said in the Bible comport with known scientific laws that are at work on Earth and in outer space, along with universal laws.

[Edited on 08.25.2009 3:19 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2009 3:02 PM PDT
  • gamertag: GRUNG3
  • user homepage:

Well, the reality of popular religions is they are unoriginal. They borrow or run parallels with each other.
While obvious christian references are present, I prefer the game as a critique on humanity.


[Edited on 08.26.2009 1:57 AM PDT]

  • 08.26.2009 1:46 AM PDT

Skillet was here and referred to himself in the third person.

On the subject of the Ark, I don't know if somebody already posted this or not... I kind of zoned out there half way through the second page. :p

ANYWHO... the Ark.

When it comes to aChristian Allegory about the Ark in the Halo universe, I think it tends to have more a literal Noah's Ark meaning.

It's fun reading into everythiing but it seems too much like a literal :The Ark was built as a safe haven from the the Flood and was meant to keep non-infected species safe to repopulate the galaxy.

There are flaws with this, however... considering the Forerunners didn't actually survive.

That is, unless your aptly named "Caveman" is how the Forerunners chose for us to start anew. We are Forerunner after all. Per the Halo storyline.

  • 08.26.2009 7:02 AM PDT

Don't take life too seriously, no one gets out alive anyway.

Australia

Posted by: ApocalypeX
*clicks save thread*

Epic


*Follows suit*

  • 08.26.2009 4:51 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

Planet the Forerunner made first contact with the flood.

G 167

G= 7
1+6=7
7=7
G 167 = 777
G 167= Genesis 16:7 (im pretty sure).

Read an be flabbergasted.

  • 08.29.2009 7:23 AM PDT

*Does same*

  • 08.29.2009 12:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.


Wait, you're meaning to say that Halo is anti-Christian? From what I read on Halopedia, it appears as though you're wrong.



you should take the precursors as something else...

the Forerunner have references to God, they created the Garden of Eden... so...
The Covenant is related to the Muslims, the humanity are the christians

I think Cheewawa is crazy or he doesn't think, look in the halopedia because this is not a normal error... you get it all wrong, is like if you never played halo in your life.

  • 08.29.2009 11:20 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Cr4sh Dummy
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.
I disagree. I always equated the Covenant with these guys, who want to eradicate everyone who stands in their way. Halo doesn't parallel the Crusades. The leader of the Covenant is a megalomaniac who's followers are bunch of zealots hellbent on a mass genocide. They Crusades were a just a giant land grab and a way to export the bellicose nature if knights outside of Europe. Halo is much more akin to modern day terrorists or national socialists. They drummed up support by invigorating the populace with grandiose and erroneous ideas that they were the chosen race who were suppose to rule the world (like the Covenant).


You could equate Hitler to a Covenant Prophet.

  • 08.30.2009 12:12 PM PDT

I'll have you know
that I've become
Indestructible!

Posted by: Agustus
Planet the Forerunner made first contact with the flood.

G 167

G= 7
1+6=7
7=7
G 167 = 777
G 167= Genesis 16:7 (im pretty sure).

Read an be flabbergasted.

I was waiting to see if anyone else got that. Not specifically here, just everywhere else.
Actually, you have the numbers transposed. It is G617. Biblegateway.com is down for the moment, so I will type out from a physical Bible, Genesis 6:17 [NIV]:
I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

  • 08.30.2009 1:54 PM PDT

Whoa, liking the Genesis reference there, I hadn't even begun to notice that. This thread has just as educational as I'd hoped so far. Good stuff. That Genesis reference is pretty darn blatant.

  • 08.31.2009 9:53 PM PDT

Maybe I will never be
All the things that I wanna be
But now is not the time to cry
Now's the time to find out why
I think you're the same as me
We see things they'll never see
You and I are gonna live forever

Posted by: Sentry33
Posted by: ApocalypeX
*clicks save thread*

Epic


*Follows suit*
*Same*

  • 09.01.2009 7:29 AM PDT

Loading C://NAVSPECWEP/S-II/074....done

KIA during augmentation procedures. Body not recovered ?
>>ERROR: YOU DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO VIEW THESE FILES<<
>>>WARNING<<< YOUR SESSION HAS BEEN LOGGED. SECURITY HAS BEEN DISPATCHED TO YOUR POSITION. CLOSE FILES IMMEDIATELY.

I've thought about this vigorously over the past four or five years, so I'm glad to finally see someone other than myself share their thoughts. You've done an excellent job. As you look closer and closer at the franchise you can see several nods to the Scripture. For example every time i watch the Covenant i always think of the Romans. They went around persecuting and killing the Christians (Humanity in this case) with frighting brutality. Another example would be offensive bias and mendicant bias. It's quite reminiscent of Adam and Eve. Satan convinced Eve to betray God (Like the Grave mind convinced mendicant to betray the Forerunners). This thread definitely has my interest, you can be sure I'll stop quite often. :D

  • 09.02.2009 9:29 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Hacked by xxjsdfjxx on 9/27/08

Also note the part were Gravemind says in Cortana: Child of my enemy why have You come? A father's sins pass to his son.

Obliviously a direct reference that the Forrunners were the Predecesors to the humans by saying that Humanity was the Son.

Somthing else I thought the single-ship Seraphs. They "guard" the Covenant Ships on The True Ark there are 4 Seraph angels on each corner. Also when Adam and Eve fell to sin A seraph with a flaming sword guarded the entrance. Just Saying.

  • 09.05.2009 10:31 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Hacked by xxjsdfjxx on 9/27/08


I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.[/quote]

HOLY COW that is a direct reference no one can deny that.

  • 09.05.2009 10:34 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.


Wait, you're meaning to say that Halo is anti-Christian? From what I read on Halopedia, it appears as though you're wrong.


Or maybe the Christians are the covenant, but it is not anti-Christian. The prophets represent corrupted religious leaders and the ones who follow them (Brutes, grunts, Drones, and hunters) [Jackals are basically mercenaries]. The elites represent those who learned the truth and served god directly, but not through false prophets. That's resembles the civil war between the covenant, between the true believers (elites) and those whose religion was interpreted through the eyes of another.

  • 09.12.2009 1:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Goalie Master 8
Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.


Wait, you're meaning to say that Halo is anti-Christian? From what I read on Halopedia, it appears as though you're wrong.


Or maybe the Christians are the covenant, but it is not anti-Christian. The prophets represent corrupted religious leaders and the ones who follow them (Brutes, grunts, Drones, and hunters) [Jackals are basically mercenaries]. The elites represent those who learned the truth and served god directly, but not through false prophets. That's resembles the civil war between the covenant, between the true believers (elites) and those whose religion was interpreted through the eyes of another.


That kind of makes it seem like Halo is pro protestant and anti Catholic

  • 09.12.2009 1:23 PM PDT

See you on the battlefield.

@ above
Well is that a bad thing? Depends on religious upbringing, but i found having a human, (besides jesus), as a leader of anything is sure to be bad, human faults.
Hows this though as a better interpretation
-Precursors = Garden of Eden/Angels/God
-Forerunners = First Jews, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Moses, Elijah
-Covanent = Later Jews, Pharisees and leaders of synagogue who persecuted Jesus as they were mistaken and caught up with their laws
-Humanity = Christians

  • 09.12.2009 2:14 PM PDT

PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME GROUP INVITATIONS

The Halo REACH Script (post thoughts in thread)

Writing Lead of Whisper Studios. Check out Heron!

Look... I'm on bungiepedia!

Posted by: Councilor_117H2
you should take the precursors as something else...
But there was nothing before God in the Bible.

the Forerunner have references to God, they created the Garden of Eden...Partially. The Librarian creates a Garden. She doesn't name it Eden. There was no english word to equate to the Forerunner translation of the location, so the [Eden] was simply a place holder put in by Bias to give us an idea of what it was like.

But how could the Forerunner be God if the Precursors came before them? In the Bible, God is not created. He has always existed. He was the Creator. Nothing before him.

so...
The Covenant is related to the Muslims, the humanity are the christians
Ummm..... I have no idea how that could lead you into this. But why do you think that the Covenant are related to the Muslims and the humans are the Christians? Are you closed-minded and scared of other religions?

It fits better as:

Precursors = God/Angels/other deities

Forerunner = Old Jews (or Old Muslims, according to Quran)

Covenant = Christians (a diverse group that follows a message not completely faithful to the "originator" of the Religion [Christ] in most cases. The Covenant Religion is based on them being the Reclaimers, while the humans are actually the Reclaimers)

Humans = Muslims (In the Quran it says that Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc. were all Muslims who were falsely identified as Christians/Jews, so the Muslims are actually those from the OT, and humans = Forerunner)

I think Cheewawa is crazy or he doesn't think, look in the halopedia because this is not a normal error... you get it all wrong, is like if you never played halo in your life.um wat

  • 09.12.2009 9:01 PM PDT