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Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: OrderedComa
So? Just because the author didn't have any clear intent or moral message to give does not mean a particular work is not allegorical, and if someone does call it allegory, so what?
I don't really care if people see it as a Christian allegory, it doesn't bother me usually. But I have met the minor few who insist that Halo is a "Christian message" game. All I'm getting at is that while the allegories are there, they aren't there, if you get the meaning. To try and clarify, the Forerunner architect of the Ark Installation isn't named Noah, but it's an obvious reference to the Hebrew tale.
Posted by: OrderedComa
And that verse from Revelation is actually quite applicable to John...Likewise he is technically also the last as all of the other Spartan IIs that we currently know of are either washouts and thus not really Spartans, or they are outright MIA or dead.
Not really. The dates don't match up for John to have been the "first." He was Halsey's favorite, yes, but I have a feeling only because he was the main character of the first game. A hero needs back-story. Spartan Candidates were inspected on dates from 2511 to 2517, John was interviewed in 2517. So there were six years where they did nothing? Sounds too much like a college freshman before mid-terms.
John is also not the last Spartan, as there are several Spartan II's still alive. We know this, he knows this, ONI knows this. Only in the first game is it implied that he's the "last Spartan." He may be one of the few still active, but there are more. Hence, the verse isn't applicable.
Yeah, I get what you mean, I think what you're saying is basically that while some symbolism or what can be read as allegory may be there, it's not necessarily something deliberately put in by the creators of the story/series. Is that right?
They may have been observed all throughout that time, but none of them were personally inspected by Halsey until 2517, and what I got from the opening chapters of TFoR was that John was the first candidate that Halsey personally inspected and thus the first to be officially cleared for the project. I didn't say that they did nothing between 2511 and 2517, it's implied from TFoR that non of the candidates were officially selected as members of the program until Halsey had approved them, and as she felt she needed to see each candidate in person before doing so. That's why I am saying John is technically the first, because he was the first Halsey interviewed and approved for the project.
I guess you missed the "technically" in the part about calling him the last as well. As I said, and this is from an in universe perspective, by Halo 3 Master Chief is the last Spartan again as all of the others have been killed or are actually MIA.