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Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory

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I don't know if someone has posted it yet but I think 7 Halo's eradicating all sentient life in the galaxy and destroying the Flood with it is a reference more towards the book of Revelation.

Revelation talks about 7 seals that God uses during the End Days that eventually leads to the end of all life on Earth taking sin with it which then follows with a new Earth.

I just saw a bigger connection with this.

  • 10.13.2011 1:51 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: oSAINT94o
OT...You lost me when you said the Covenant was representative of the "law"...after I read some of your earlier points, I saw them more as heretics or pagans, not a representation of an intangible entity.

How on earth do you see the Covenant as Pagans and heretics when they have such a strict religious order, with obvious hierarchy and structure to supply for heretical behavior?

  • 10.13.2011 9:39 AM PDT

Well look back at all of the Germanic tribes that Christiian Romans considered "Pagans" and heretics...they all had some sort of a religion that they had structure and heirarchy based around...

Plus, I was just saying that after the points about Chief being Christ were made, I made a pretty simple observation that UNSC = Christianity and Covenant = what Christians saw as heretics and whatnot, which was basically every other religion

  • 10.13.2011 6:14 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

777 replies have been ruined. LawL.

On Topic: I've noticed that a lot of vocbulary comes from spiritual things. Like the Covenant, Banshee, Flood, ext.

  • 10.13.2011 6:23 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: oSAINT94o
Well look back at all of the Germanic tribes that Christiian Romans considered "Pagans" and heretics...they all had some sort of a religion that they had structure and heirarchy based around...

No, not really. They had - and we still do - a series of stories, legends, beliefs, and festivals dictated by nature. It's very unstructured. Christianity - since it's founding as a religion and not a small Jewish sect - has always had more structure than Paganism. This coupled with the Catholic Church's affinity for religious and territorial conquest (early on,) seems to reflect much more in the Covenant than Paganism would.

Plus, I was just saying that after the points about Chief being Christ were made, I made a pretty simple observation that UNSC = Christianity and Covenant = what Christians saw as heretics and whatnot, which was basically every other religion

And that's the problem with assigning religion to a game. There is nothing that indicates the UNSC equating Christianity, nor John-117 being Jesus. There are loose affiliations with vague biblical verses at best, but nothing concrete enough to make a sure claim.
I will not deny that there are references to the bible; namely the story of the world flood. However this is a theme shared by several cultures of that region, and the only linking factor to Noah is the arbitrary designation of "The Ark" on Installation 00.
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
On Topic: I've noticed that a lot of vocbulary comes from spiritual things. Like the Covenant, Banshee, Flood, ext.

Covenant, yes. Banshee, no. Banshees aren't so much spiritual as they are "supernatural." Floods I would not consider spiritual at all.

[Edited on 10.13.2011 9:15 PM PDT]

  • 10.13.2011 9:14 PM PDT

religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances...straight from dictionary.com

I dont see how the fact that these tribes worshipped nature spirits rather than a divine entity really has any bearing on whether or not there is structure in their society...Also, were these people not constantly at eachother's throats, with much of it due to social differences caused by differing belief systems? Now, I'm no historian so I could very well be wrong, but this is just what ive picked up over the years.

[Edited on 10.14.2011 9:20 PM PDT]

  • 10.14.2011 9:18 PM PDT

-Dual-

Very well written, and it's true, there are a lot of connections. People would be surprised how many movies/games relate to the Bible.

  • 10.14.2011 9:42 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: oSAINT94o
I dont see how the fact that these tribes worshipped nature spirits rather than a divine entity really has any bearing on whether or not there is structure in their society

Religion is also defined as specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices. The problem you're encountering in trying to apply this to Pagans is that we don't really have a single set of practices. Not even in the past did they have such structure. Let's use the Greeks as an example. They had their Parthenon, yet within that belief system, there were cultists of Zeus, Artemis, Athena, etc etc. Within Greek Paganism, there is no clear set foundation of beliefs. You're also running into the issue of trying to lump all Pagans together under the umbrella term "Pagan." We are not all the same, even within the same traditions.

That being said, there is equal structure found in the UNSC, the Insurrectionist Rebel Front, and the various civilizations of the races from the Covenant. As the Covenant is a highly religiously structured organization, they seem to reflect Organized Religion - specifically Catholicism. I see those parallels very starkly, especially with the Prophet's lavish appearance and Gregorian Chant-like speech.


Also, were these people not constantly at eachother's throats, with much of it due to social differences caused by differing belief systems?

Not really, no. Again, look at the Greeks. While one may not have been a follower of a particular Deity, they still respected those figures and - for the most part - tried not to tread against them. Even today there is a vast variety of believers, even within a specific Tradition. Wicca, for instance, has such differences yet a surprising amount of unity. One may be a Priest or Priestess of Gaia, yet still respect a Priest(ess) of Isis. While we may not agree with the chosen Parthenon or Traditional beliefs, rituals, etc, we do not hold that against the individual.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:55 AM PDT]

  • 10.14.2011 10:51 PM PDT

Alright, I resign my argument. You beat me fair and square.

And also, I'm not a Christian, I'm an athiest...just sayin

  • 10.15.2011 5:39 AM PDT

though you probably did take a long time to write this i doubt bungie was trying to make this a religious game. you say master chief is like jesus or w/e. though chief kills thousands and thousands of aliens (would jesus really do that?) and not only did chief pretty much kill two armies but he also defied the covenant's gods by winning the war but also taking their 'holy' artifacts and destroying them.

to be honest, who does things like that in the bible? or at least says who does it. satan. so if halo was after Christianity wouldn't satan and his followers be the heroes?

  • 10.15.2011 6:28 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: BatiiSta
to be honest, who does things like that in the bible? or at least says who does it. satan. so if halo was after Christianity wouldn't satan and his followers be the heroes?

Actually, in the bible Yahweh and/or people at Yahweh's command kill more people than Ha-Satan.

And Saint, I apologize for assuming you were Christian and somewhat jumping down your throat.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 3:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:55 AM PDT

And Saint, I apologize for assuming you were Christian and somewhat jumping down your throat.

Tis all good, just another lesson learned

  • 10.15.2011 2:44 PM PDT

Yungmasterchief is here to save the world from numb!!!!! on any shooter game!!!!!!!!

Idk if this has to do with anything but, I'm Muslim but i also read the bible. Any i was read the qur'an and i came across something , page 157. verse 117. "What they spend in the life of this (material) world may be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: It strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged them, but they wrong themselves". I also saw one more! page 171. verses 166. and 167. What ye suffered on the day the two armies Met, was with the leave of Allah, in order that He might test the Believers and the Hypocrites also. These were told: "come, Fight in the way of Allah, (or at least) drive (The foe from your city)." They said: "Had we known There would be a fight, we should Certainly have followed you." They were that day Nearer to Unbelief Than to Faith, Saying with their lips What was not in their hearts. But Allah hath full knowledge Of all they conceal". U can make wat u want of it. i just think it kinda fits in the story, but i would like to see some good reply.

  • 10.16.2011 6:50 PM PDT

the bible, along with everything else i have heard about, is as false as the easter bunny, santa claus, and the tooth fairy.

  • 10.16.2011 7:54 PM PDT

Yungmasterchief is here to save the world from numb!!!!! on any shooter game!!!!!!!!

i Agree on everything but thing ur bible comment.plz dont add the negative stuff u may disagree with others on dat but dont come out of no with the rude comments ur opinion is respected until u start to down play there beliefs. we r talking about halo and the bible, not dat fake stuff for lil kids.

  • 10.17.2011 10:44 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: YUNGMASTERCHIEF

If you knew the origins of that "fake stuff" then you would know that disrespecting it is just as offensive as opinions on your book. If you want to keep it truly non-offensive then stick to the topic at hand.

  • 10.18.2011 9:48 AM PDT

if this so called "god" was real. he wouldnt have told 1 person about the bible. he would have told everyone and that one man wouldnt have wrote that down, he would have presented a book to the world. with that being said, that fake stuff has many contradictions in it as any 1 single person on this world does. 1 more thing: why is the world in this state, if he's the "almighty1" why doesnt he make this world better instead of sitting there going duhhhh look what i did.

  • 10.19.2011 2:42 PM PDT

I like what you had to say here about Halo's religious undertones helping to elevate the game to an art form. The only difference I would point out is that John 117 probably refers to John 1:1-7 rather than John 1:17. Or maybe its both, I thought your interpretation was valid as well.

  • 10.19.2011 8:10 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Fullmetal, what you're doing is what not to do. In short, you're being a d*ck. They're not really shoving their religion down anyone's throat, they're not forcing you to see it how they see it.

This isn't a true religious debate, it's a comparison. You're trying to make it a religious debate, which is against the rules.

  • 10.19.2011 11:22 PM PDT

Hey, my name is Ian and gaming is a huge part of my life. Halo was the first video game I ever played. Without Halo, my perspective on video games would be different today. Thank you Bungie. I will remember you and will continue to follow Halo with 343i for many years to come. - Ian

(Note: I'd like to point out that this is my new B.net profile because I switched my WLID. I've also changed my gamertag. I used to be known as Major Luck777 so that's why my stats are screwed up.)

Really well done theory. I've always thought there was some tie between Halo and the Bible.

  • 10.20.2011 10:09 AM PDT

I will stick you no matter what...

This has got to be the dumbest, most contrived crap I've ever read. Why do christians have to spew their bull crap every where they go.

  • 10.20.2011 8:06 PM PDT

i think your right


i also think the halo series is just epic also

but your still right

  • 10.21.2011 9:00 PM PDT

ummm it took you this long to see this? i saw it when the first halo came out...and its bashing religion hard and i love it :)

  • 10.22.2011 10:39 PM PDT
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I am thoroughly intrigued by your post.

  • 10.24.2011 3:58 PM PDT

awesome

  • 10.25.2011 1:12 PM PDT