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Subject: Halo as a Christian Allegory


Posted by: Fullmetal1144
if this so called "god" was real. he wouldnt have told 1 person about the bible. he would have told everyone and that one man wouldnt have wrote that down, he would have presented a book to the world. with that being said, that fake stuff has many contradictions in it as any 1 single person on this world does. 1 more thing: why is the world in this state, if he's the "almighty1" why doesnt he make this world better instead of sitting there going duhhhh look what i did.


just so you know, you may wanna do a little more research into something before you try to bash. Otherwise you just look really stupid. Now youre the one sitting there saying "duhhhh, look what i did".

  • 10.25.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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Terminus Est- Forward unto the end


Posted by: Fullmetal1144

Trying to assign human characteristics to an all-powerful, supernatural being? What you are saying seems to be an increasingly popular (and ignorant) argument from the anti-religion side. Consider the fact that even the Greek gods, who exhibit a lot of human characteristics, make decisions that are distinctly non-human at times. What about everyone else besides the three religions of the book? Are Hindus stupid? What about Wiccans? Daoists? Who are you to say who is right and who is wrong when it comes to their beliefs. Did the almighty power of human nature grant you this enlightened status? Ignorant. Just ignorant.

  • 10.25.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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  • 10.25.2011 7:24 PM PDT

Well written :) not a fan of religion seeping into the world of videogames... Too much conflict :P But The peice is really good

  • 11.25.2011 2:51 PM PDT

Godspeed.

MC does seem to have no beginning or end. When we first meet him (Halo), he needs no training. He is a veteran of war and needs only to be awakened for combat. He is the authority by which men freely give and are given weapons.

When we last see him (Halo 3), he is drifting in space, far from Earth, in a deep sleep; though, he will return when needed.

  • 11.29.2011 10:02 PM PDT

Amazingly well thought out and well backed up. But I guess we will never know if its really true unless they tell us... =P

  • 12.01.2011 1:48 PM PDT

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Nice job, OP, very informative.

  • 12.01.2011 2:54 PM PDT
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Wow, great Job adam360.

  • 12.01.2011 3:02 PM PDT

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Very nice essay, granted I'm not sure why you decided to post it on a forum, but I digress. Execellent work!

  • 12.03.2011 2:28 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: Spazpuma
MC does seem to have no beginning or end. When we first meet him (Halo), he needs no training. He is a veteran of war and needs only to be awakened for combat. He is the authority by which men freely give and are given weapons.

When we last see him (Halo 3), he is drifting in space, far from Earth, in a deep sleep; though, he will return when needed.

Um... Actually the moment John woke up he went through a diagnostics process, essentially a training warm up. Not only this, but before the games were released the books came out, and they very explicitly tell of John's beginning; both as a civilian and as a recruit in the Spartan program. As for his "end," what will this theory lead to if and when (and I bet heavily on this possibility,) we ever see the death of John? He is a soldier, and soldiers die.

  • 12.03.2011 4:42 PM PDT

I choose the name Spartan1337 when I couldn't think of anything better, not much else to say really... :/

Interesting analysis. Very impressive.

  • 12.03.2011 5:21 PM PDT

Love Bungie.

Evil Christians...just like in real life.

  • 12.03.2011 6:56 PM PDT

People who say that covenants are muslims are retarded cause muslims believe in one god ( Allah ) and covenants believe in many gods + muslims make simular weapons to halo human weapons example tank of 4 th generation with unmaneed turret and injection system simular to scorpion but the first turrret was creted in 2000 ( falcon 1 ) and halo scorpion tank was based on it so muslims are making scorpion tank and it is only one example of human forces are muslim in halo + plus soldier uniform and green flags

  • 12.09.2011 8:58 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: skyguyfrom501st
People who say that covenants are muslims are retarded cause muslims believe in one god ( Allah ) and covenants believe in many gods

This is what makes it a reference. The Covenant are not Mulsim, they are... whatever they call themselves. But their "conquer and convert" mentality as well as their notions of their "right" to everything is very similar to that of Christianity and Islam.

  • 12.09.2011 3:45 PM PDT

They call me The Raptor due to my extreme interest in dinosaurs specifically velociraptor.

So you are telling us something we already knew?

  • 12.11.2011 2:44 PM PDT

The sound of iron shocks is stuck in my head, The thunder of the drums dictates
The rhythm of the falls, the number of dead's the rising of the horns, ahead
From the dawn of time to the end of days I will have to run, away
I want to feel the pain and the bitter taste of the blood on my lips, again

Yes, It's quite clear that there are referenced to the Bible in Halo.

  • 12.11.2011 10:50 PM PDT

So why then muslim millitary close to unmc millitary just look and weapon projects search falcon turret then

  • 12.14.2011 8:42 AM PDT

Muslims dont say vonquer we are international i am half russian by the way so we believe in united humanity under islam and unoted human muslim dorces like UMNC and we never conquer just to take terrriotry cause we understandnthat we cant force people to join islam but we kisk bad guys's asses if they mass with us thats why now we work hard on millitary technology but our stupid leaders dont't givea f**k about islam cause they are kaffirs too

  • 12.14.2011 8:45 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: skyguyfrom501st
So why then muslim millitary close to unmc millitary just look and weapon projects search falcon turret then

Don't really know what you're on about, but the UNSC (I'm assuming that's what you meant) takes all ranks from the US military branches. Some are modified due to it being a "unified Earth" government and 500 years in the future, but I'm pretty sure that it uses our military.

As for the Falcon? It's not based off some turret. All UNSC vehicles (sans the Longsword and Sabre,) are named after Earth animals. A falcon is a type of raptor.

  • 12.14.2011 12:39 PM PDT

ULTIMATE FAILURE.


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: skyguyfrom501st
People who say that covenants are muslims are retarded cause muslims believe in one god ( Allah ) and covenants believe in many gods

This is what makes it a reference. The Covenant are not Mulsim, they are... whatever they call themselves. But their "conquer and convert" mentality as well as their notions of their "right" to everything is very similar to that of Christianity and Islam.


Islam has never been spread by the sword, it's against one of the main tenets of the Quran. Christianity, on the other hand... well, we all know what happened there.

  • 12.17.2011 7:35 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: renagadeface
Islam has never been spread by the sword, it's against one of the main tenets of the Quran. Christianity, on the other hand... well, we all know what happened there.

Killing is supposedly against Christian tenants as well. Yet we see what they do with that... And historically Islam wasn't spread by the sword - technically. But non-Muslims' treatment nonetheless placed them under severe pressure to convert. No religion is pure of less-than-reputable-behaviors in the past. None.

However, it's that "convert or be killed" notion that is so infamously struck by the Christian past that puts them more on a parallel with the Covenant in representation here.

  • 12.18.2011 12:07 AM PDT

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"Look, Reach has been good to me, time has come to return the favor. Don't deny me this. Tell 'em to make it count." - Jorge 052
Terminus Est- Forward unto the end


Posted by: renagadeface
Islam has never been spread by the sword, it's against one of the main tenets of the Quran. Christianity, on the other hand... well, we all know what happened there.

"never been spread by the sword"? Look up The Crusades (All of them, not some). What about the Moors' invasion of Spain in 711 CE? What was the Ottoman Empire doing in the 19th and early 20th Century? Do some research next time so you don't look like an idiot.

  • 12.19.2011 6:29 PM PDT

I've never really posted in the Bungie forums, but I've read this thread from front to back three times over. Thanks Adam36O for helping everyone see Halo in a different way.
This next bit is kind of off topic. I like to keep a record of all the biblical references I find in the Halo games and I don't think I saw anyone post this in here yet. In Halo 3 on the map Sandtrap, the elephants have two different decals that read "Behemoth" and "Leviathan". It wasn't until I read the book of Job in the Bible that I figured out these were probably taken from chapter 40, verse 15, and chapter 41 respectively.
Also, the title for Bungie's weekly update on May 27th 2011 read "We will show thee things which must be hereafter". This is taken from Revelation chapter 4 verse 1.

  • 12.25.2011 6:33 PM PDT

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Halo can also be an allegory to many other religions, that's a little self-centered.

  • 01.04.2012 5:20 PM PDT
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Great job with some of the connections you made! Bravo, truly a great read. A lot of this was very interesting to find out about, especially since i had only recently made the connection between the forerunners taking samples of every living thing onto the ARK to save them from THE FLOOD. >_>

  • 01.07.2012 12:12 AM PDT