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The reason I state what I have, as I have, is because of how similar the Covenant are to Christianity. They stray away from the true teachings that are there. The Covenant, like Christianity, are all about a death. They also take what they can and use it as a control for the masses. It's been heavily rewritten and has become propoganda. The prophets are like that of Paul, bastardized the true teachings for their own gain. Then through the years the Prophets interept the law as they see it, claiming they are the only ones who can. Like that of Constantine and King James and the many translatons it has gone through. The truth has become hidden behind the lies of aliens/men. For example of propoganda, is this word as non-christian as Happy Holidays; X-mas?

  • 02.25.2010 12:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: WT NITE
The reason I state what I have, as I have, is because of how similar the Covenant are to Christianity. They stray away from the true teachings that are there. The Covenant, like Christianity, are all about a death. They also take what they can and use it as a control for the masses. It's been heavily rewritten and has become propoganda. The prophets are like that of Paul, bastardized the true teachings for their own gain. Then through the years the Prophets interept the law as they see it, claiming they are the only ones who can. Like that of Constantine and King James and the many translatons it has gone through. The truth has become hidden behind the lies of aliens/men. For example of propoganda, is this word as non-christian as Happy Holidays; X-mas?


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  • 02.25.2010 12:49 PM PDT

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I look at it more as a Pandora's Box allegory. Cuz you know at the end, Johns a guy trapped in a cryo sleep, trapped in a busted ship, trapped in the universe.

  • 02.25.2010 1:12 PM PDT

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I look at it more as a Pandora's Box allegory. Cuz you know at the end, Johns a guy trapped in a cryo sleep, trapped in a busted ship, trapped in the universe.


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  • 02.25.2010 9:51 PM PDT

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In terms of when the Religions showed up and also the way that the factions act within Halo... I always paralleled

God = Precursors
Jews; Jesus, Noah, etc. = Forerunners
Christians = The Covenant
Muslims = Humanity

The Covenant-Human war parallels the Crusades, with the Covenant (Christians) trying to re-take Forerunner relics from the humans.


Wait, you're meaning to say that Halo is anti-Christian? From what I read on Halopedia, it appears as though you're wrong.
I believe it shows how a religion (namely Christianity) changes from its roots to its most modern adherents. For example, the Covenant follow a religion based around the Forerunners (Old Testament/Jews/Christ/Noah), but the Covenant have mistranslated a small detail, so their whole religion is technically false, and they misunderstood what the Forerunners were trying to do.

And like the Muslims who believe that the Jews in the OT were actually followers of Islam whose stories were muddled by the sands of time, the Humans in Halo are actually the Forerunners (Old Testament/Jews/Christ/Noah).


you can't blame religion for the deeds of man, Europe has caused three major genocides like the Spanish inquision, the crusades, and the holocaust.

  • 02.26.2010 7:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: PATTON 2007
you can't blame religion for the deeds of man, Europe has caused three major genocides like the Spanish inquision, the crusades, and the holocaust.

Out of those only the Holocaust was genocide...

  • 02.26.2010 7:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: PATTON 2007
you can't blame religion for the deeds of man, Europe has caused three major genocides like the Spanish inquision, the crusades, and the holocaust.

Out of those only the Holocaust was genocide...


I would say the Crusades would be genocide too, The church forced the euro pagan tribes to join the church or die as heretics.

Where is the All love God with Free will? the church has no free will, join or die, as infidel, or demon lover.

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  • 02.26.2010 8:01 PM PDT
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Where is the all loving God of free-will, you ask? It is indeed a shame that the Reformed Church has marred this understanding of God by their doctrine of reprobation which states that certain people have been predestined before the foundation of the world to eternal damnation. If this was your only experience of Christianity, I am sorry. This antinomian wing of the visible church has undoubtedly caused untold destruction and disillusionment in countless hearts and lives! The God that you seem to be longing for, MasterSin, is the one I serve. He is just, merciful, sovereign, and all of the other attributes of God that comprise his essence. He holds humans responsible for their own immoral actions, and he yearns to reason with humanity to woo them back to himself. He longs for you to have freedom in him from the slavery of selfishness, which is self-deception. Only Christians (those within the invisible church, the true believers) can be truly happy because they hold a duel citizenship. They are joyous because they are in the world but not of it! Their perspective has been adjusted so that they are no longer bent in on themselves, but they are now bent toward their creator, the fountainhead of joy!

Now, how could the Crusades have been genocide? The Crusaders were convinced that they were fighting against sin, not unholy ethnicities, which did not even occur during the conquest of Canaan in the Old Testament. God gave the command to show the Canaanites no mercy because he had already given them a 400 year grace period to turn from their infant sacrifice! It was about sin, not ethnicity.

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How could I have nearly forgotten to rise to the defense of my beloved Paul?

To begin with, the only reason that Paul made any adjustments to traditionally held views, and these only to lesser matters, was to deal with issues of greater importance. For example, Paul's discourse on the appropriate length hair for the respective genders was an adjustment because a man who entered into the Nazarite covenant described in the Old Testament did not cut his hair or his beard, and the length of womens' hair was not directly addressed. Paul said that women ought to have long hair mostly because of the cultural context of Greece at the time. In Corinth, in particular, female temple prostitutes had their hair cut short to identify them as such, and Paul advised his female converts to not even bear the appearance of their old lives which they had forsaken. I grant that there were other Inter-testimental influences on some of Paul practical advice, but as far as the deeper theological concepts are concerned Paul was faithful to the tradition that was handed down to him from the apostles who had walked with Jesus. Why wouldn't Paul have been faithful to these teachings? Paul had thrown away everything he had ever known to become an apostle of Christ. The Jews were constantly seeking his life, and he was under scrutiny from all the other apostles, save Barnabas (the only one who trusted him from the start)!! It is a certainty that Paul suffered for Christ!!!

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How could I have nearly forgotten to rise to the defense of my beloved Paul?

To begin with, the only reason that Paul made any adjustments to traditionally held views, and these only to lesser matters, was to deal with issues of greater importance. For example, Paul's discourse on the appropriate length hair for the respective genders was an adjustment because a man who entered into the Nazarite covenant described in the Old Testament did not cut his hair or his beard, and the length of womens' hair was not directly addressed. Paul said that women ought to have long hair mostly because of the cultural context of Greece at the time. In Corinth, in particular, female temple prostitutes had their hair cut short to identify them as such, and Paul advised his female converts to not even bear the appearance of their old lives which they had forsaken. I grant that there were other Inter-testimental influences on some of Paul practical advice, but as far as the deeper theological concepts are concerned Paul was faithful to the tradition that was handed down to him from the apostles who had walked with Jesus. Why wouldn't Paul have been faithful to these teachings? Paul had thrown away everything he had ever known to become an apostle of Christ. The Jews were constantly seeking his life, and he was under scrutiny from all the other apostles, save Barnabas (the only one who trusted him from the start)!! It is a certainty that Paul suffered for Christ!!!

  • 02.27.2010 11:04 AM PDT

As much as I would love to have a discussion on the historical facts and propoganda of Christianity, which, I really would. This is not about religion. This is about the religious comparisons we see in Halo. Please everyone keep this in mind or this board will probably be locked.

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Interesting. Though I knew that Bungie placed many Biblical references in Halo, I never knew that they went that deep.

  • 02.27.2010 10:17 PM PDT

Meh.

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  • 02.28.2010 12:18 AM PDT

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Like i said before, cutting all the crap, The church is well represented by the Covenant, their "Prophets" tells their actions are wishes from their Gods, which in reality is power what they seek, a True God who claims to be mercyfull and loving do not kill, it's their followers who lie themselfs killing in his behalf.

Like i said, good job Bungie showing how the church looks like the Covies. An empire of lies, to seek power.

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It strikes me as rather intolerant that Bungie would even consider closing a forum because religious views were being presented in it. However, perhaps I am being intolerant for thinking that my ideas should be tolerated.

Now, since we are convinced that Bungie is portraying the Covenant as the Church, my contention still remains that it is a slander/caricature of the Church. I have already demonstrated how the true Church is, rightly understood, not a body of militant crusaders. Moreover, the Crusaders were misguided zealots. The place for enforcing law and order is rightly held by the secular authority, not the Church. The Church can try to influence policy, but it cannot dictate it.

How is it that a loving God could not kill? How could he be just if he could not kill those who endangered those who were acting rightly? Would you not kill someone to protect your countrymen if they were being attacked by someone who was trying to kill them? Do you not love your countrymen? So, it would follow that there ought to be no military, police ought not to be allowed to use firearms, and capital punishment ought to be banned. This would result in nothing but lawless anarchy! So, if we can justly kill, then why couldn't God?

  • 03.01.2010 9:13 AM PDT

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Interesting but its all just coincidence.

  • 03.01.2010 9:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Night Watchman
The Church can try to influence policy, but it cannot dictate it.


Learn History before posting, The church did not "influenced" the Pagans, the church forced them, and convert them against their will, they didn't commit any sin, they worshipped their own gods and because of that they decided force you or kill you as heretic.

  • 03.01.2010 4:06 PM PDT

Everyone's views need to be tolerated as long as they do not infringe on others' rights. Actually the Church as held even the power to control gov't. Only recently has there been a split between the church and state in history. Religion does not hold the power it used too because of education and people can think for themselves now in most countries.

To relate this to Halo. The covenant start out being lead by a small group of hierarch. They continue with their beliefs till they learn of other evidence that opens their view wider and questions what they have known. It's not that there isn't something there to learn. It's that what has been said for control and/or misunderstanding. Then a realization of the truth. AS we are seeing with now of other gospels and evidence coming to light that shows a different story. A more human story or story altered, i.e. Jesus not dieing on the cross.

P.S. I see Bungie closing a forum if it does not stay on topic. It's not a matter of it being closed because of views.

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The only reason that I am "not on topic" is because I am proposing such a contrary view, which has resulted in certain individuals attacking the church and its interpretation of who Jesus the Christ really was and is and ever will be. How could you expect me, as a believer, to not stand up for the body of Christ Jesus, the church. If I were not to confess what I have thus far, then Jesus would not confess me as his own before the Father. I have diverged from the forum topic only out of necessity.

About the Gnostic gospels, I have already shared how those are indeed false gospels because of how late they were written, and how they do not solve the problem of sin because they do not bridge the gap between humanity and their transcendent, heavenly Father.

Now, MasterSin, I feel it necessary to lovingly enlighten you to the fact that I have studied the Crusades in some depth. In fact, I am a history major, and I have a Bible and theology minor. So, I might have a rough idea about what I am addressing. The reason that the Crusaders were doing what they were was for a mixture of reasons. The Slavs were invading Northeastern Europe at the time, and the Roman Empire had long since collapsed. The only central authority left to defend the frontier was the church. I grant that the Crusaders went forth in the hope of converting the Slavs because they were indeed pagan. I am convinced that the sword was the wrong way to go about it, but in the defense of the Crusaders they were persuaded that they were protecting an innocent third party. Therefore, the context of the Crusader ought to be considered before wholesale judgment is passed. They had good intentions, but they were not in keeping with the original intent of Christianity. The original intent of Christianity is what really matters anyway, right? The setting right of all things, and thereby the renewal of relationship with a loving Father who takes no delight in the death of the wicked.

  • 03.02.2010 9:45 AM PDT

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In other words, the church is no more than a goverment and less than a temple to welcome God, it happens the same thing with the Covenant, prioritys change all the time according to the needs of the Church.

It happened the same when they discovered the Aztecs in Mexico, the church destroyed all records of the pagan Aztec civilization, and forced the Aztec to become Catholics or be heretics with out a choice.

The Church as same as The Covenant work the same way, join by Force or be heretic, cause church do not hold "free will" like your "God". And this can go on and on, history speaks for it self.

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  • 03.02.2010 2:29 PM PDT

You may have studied history, but that does not mean the history you know to be written truthfully. Who ever wins the fight writes the history. As the Covenant wrote the history as they perceived of the Forerunners. Even the Canonical gospels are heavily debated if they written at the time they say they were. All the gospels were written after the death of Jesus, according to the Bible. Quite later. Around 30-100 years later. Most people have done the say a story and at the end of a chain see what story comes out. Plus human memory is not perfect. Another thing I would like to bring up is the Vault in the Vatican. If they want to so easily share all this information,then what's down there. Why is it all locked up with few who can actually go in and see these artifacts?
If your God was as loving as you say. Why are countless billions of dollars spent on churches, camps, newest of technology when people are dieing all over the world from hunger? What loving God would want these materialistic things be made for him, while, those that he loves are dieing from hunger?
I know for a fact in the Bible it says twice that Fathers have sacrificed there own daughters to be raped by a mob. What loving God would want this, do this to anyone? I'm not even gonna get started on the Mormons. 90% of the wars started on this planet have been from religion. Christianity has killed more people in the name of it's religion than any other belief system today. That is a proven fact.
I can not remember the kids name, but a Jewish kid was very sick when he was 3 yrs old. A nurse worried that he wouldn't go to heaven, and asked a priest how to baptise him. She repeated what she was taught and the child lived. Three years later the church came and took the kid away from his parents because he was baptised Catholic by a female nurse.
The lack of church allowing science to have truth comes from this boy, Kip Eliason."On March 2, 1982, Kip Eliason, age 16, distraught and filled with self-hate over his inability to stop -blam!-ing, committed suicide."
That is part of why I relate the Covenant to Christianity. Lies and untolds amount of pain have come from "their" truth.


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I look at it more as a Pandora's Box allegory. Cuz you know at the end, Johns a guy trapped in a cryo sleep, trapped in a busted ship, trapped in the universe.
But Pandora's box is filled with all that ails mankind. Cortana's is filled with its last hope.

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I grant that the church as a whole should be doing more about physical hunger. I am deeply grieved when too much is spent on buildings. All God ever wanted in the Old Testament was a tent and that was it. The Temple was David's idea. In the New Testament he only wanted to be worshiped in spirit (in keeping the spirit of the law and not the letter thereof) and in truth.

About the New Testament being written 30-100 years after the death of Christ. Why would you be anymore inclined to believe an account that had been written later if you doubt the ones written closer to the events?

Concerning the daughters being offered up as sacrifices, God never commanded that nor did it enter into his mind! Moreover, God called off the sacrifice of Isaac. It is not his will that innocence should perish. More than that, it is not his will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (a change of mind and action). My Jesus died and rose again so that you might have life!!!

Regarding the death toll caused by actions done in the name of Christ, I've never heard an estimate of one. I cannot recall an amount of the number of Christian martyrs either. However, I do know that Communism has resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people in the past 100 years.

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