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Subject: Flashbang or Fragmentation Gernade?
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Poll: Is the thrown Object a  [closed]
FlashBang:  43%
(12 Votes)
Fragmentation Gernade:  57%
(16 Votes)
Total Votes: 28

In the E3 demo movie the marine throws something, many people think its a frag others think its a flashbang. Support your awnswer

People say its a frag and just stuns the grunts and jackals because it was thrown away from them, well if you look the expolsiony thing is right next to them.

It is also a flashbang because the grunts and jackal are holding there heads and rubbing there eyes.

It also deosnt blow them apart.

Its also not a frag because it has a different sound, and the explsion is different, earlier the MC throws a frag at some grunts and it blows them apart, that was the frag it had a different explosion and sound then the flashbang that the marine threw.

  • 04.26.2004 2:39 PM PDT
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That's easy, it's a frag, here's why...

1. The marine says "FRAG and clear." Frag is short for fragmentation.

2. When the grenade explodes, there is a large plume of fire. Flashbangs leave a small cloud of smoke after exploding, not a large fireball.

3. Flashbangs are non-lethal, to some extent anyway. If you watch, before the grenade is thrown there is no blood on the ground, after the explosion there are pools of glowing blood on the ground.

4. Many people say "why are they covering their eyes then?!", I think that if a fragmentation grenade exploded near me without killing me, I would be stunned. Don't you think that the combination of looking into the blast, hearing the boom of the detonation, and just feeling the pressure caused by the blast would cause a stun affect? Also, don't you think that shards of metal/dirt/dust could have been blinding them?


And this is a quote from Draerden on my post about this:
In support of this clarification I'll say what I've stated previously. Frag Grenades are quite capable of stunning an opponent. Explosions have a chance of temporarily deafening the target and disrupting equilibrium by a sudden changes in air pressure. In that same manner that your ears pop when you are taking off in an airplane only much more intense. That's why in movies you sometimes see a man crouch low, cover his ears and open his mouth. This is a classical position that best protects against such an effects.

This, likely, wouldn't work on the Master Chief who in an environmental armour would be immune to rapid pressure changes but the Grunts and Jackals are quite fair game.


[Edited on 4/26/2004 2:46:10 PM]

  • 04.26.2004 2:42 PM PDT
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1. Why does he say CLEAR? And you dont know he says frag.
2. Its halo, The frag the MC throws ealier on has an explosion, the flashbang the marine throws doesnt. The explsion thing form the flashbang doesnt look like a gernade. How would you know what it looks like? You would be blinded
3. Yeah again its halo, flashbangs have changed, and why where the grunts and jackals still standing? Not blwon part?
4. if a gernade exploded next to me Id be blwon into little peices, a grunt and jackal would have been to.

Your reasons suck the three last ones are proved wrong by - The flashbang explodes right next to them. The first one is something you cant prove.

Why do the marines and MC look away when the flashbang blows up? Why doesit make a popping sound like a flashbang would, and a sound different then the frag earlier in the movie? How come the flashbang looks like a cylinder and not a round gernade like the frag?


Most of your reasons can be proven wrong with the fact that it explodes right next to the grunts and jackal.

[Edited on 4/26/2004 2:50:46 PM]

  • 04.26.2004 2:49 PM PDT
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Flashbangs don't cause pools of blood to spray out of people, much less armored aliens....

  • 04.26.2004 2:50 PM PDT
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What dont you understand aobut it being halo not reallife? Things have changed in 500 years.

Maybe the blood is form the marines shooting them?

  • 04.26.2004 2:52 PM PDT
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OK!, we(or most of us) know that the marine says FRAG and clear. BUT the grenade looks alot more like a flash bang. Espically the way the smoke looks and how do dirt(like in halo 1) flew up. Plus the smoke stays and rises like a flash bang. And the grunts and jackals hold there heads, covering there eyes becuase of the flash. Thoose are are reasons why it might be a FLASH grenade. Also the grunts and jackals didnt fly after the grenade exploded.

Now reasons why it could be a FRAG grenade. First of there isnt blood when MC see's them, but after the grenade goes off you see blood everywhere. They also say FRAG AND CLEAR, and if you played RB63 you know what is going on. Frag=fragment(not fragmentation)

I think this is very well a new grenade, frag or flashbang, its new. On the Doc video you see MC holding a shotgun and throw Grenades at some grunts and jackals. The grenade looks VERY similar to the old -blam!- gernade. With a 3 second fuse. On this gernade it didnt stun any of them or just made blood, it blasted them. showing this is a new grenade that they threw.

Also another new grenade is in the E3 demo MC threw grenades that explode on even if they are in the air. And they have a much faster fuse.

If you want to argue with me simply watch all of the halo 2 videos. So you will see for yourself, and not to make a fool of yourself.


I did the quotes to make it look cool :P

  • 04.26.2004 2:53 PM PDT
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Then why use an "upgraded" flashbang at all, frags can have the same effects along with a nice explosion.

  • 04.26.2004 2:54 PM PDT
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Why would you want a flashbang? Only if you would need to capture a covenant. In MP they would be useless, Spartans are immune to the effects.

  • 04.26.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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Hedwig is right, this is a war, not a SWAT team non-lethal strike, flashbangs would be useless.

  • 04.26.2004 2:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Folken
Then why use an "upgraded" flashbang at all, frags can have the same effects along with a nice explosion.


That made no sense.

  • 04.26.2004 2:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Folken
2. When the grenade explodes, there is a large plume of fire. Flashbangs leave a small cloud of smoke after exploding, not a large fireball.

Not Ture. Play Rainbow six 3

  • 04.26.2004 2:57 PM PDT
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Of course not, if you weren't blinded by your own stupidity you might have the capability of listening to reason...

  • 04.26.2004 2:57 PM PDT
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Thats why the marine used the flashbang, not the MC, it would be so easy if the MC had flashbangs, instead only marines.

Also they did it so they wouldnt all be blasted by covenant.

  • 04.26.2004 2:58 PM PDT
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If I didn't want covies blasting at me, I'd use a frag, not a flashbang...

  • 04.26.2004 2:59 PM PDT
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lol by my own stupidy? Your post proved your reason wrong. You said a nice explosion obviously saying the flashbang had a differenat explsoion

It obviously throws a flashbang to add to the intensment of the battle and action in halo 2.

  • 04.26.2004 3:00 PM PDT
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The marine threw the flashbang not the MC, the MC couldnt he had out two smgs.

[Edited on 4/26/2004 3:01:49 PM]

  • 04.26.2004 3:01 PM PDT
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Do you have the hi-res demo? The explosion of the MC's frag earlier on and the one the marine throws are the same.

  • 04.26.2004 3:01 PM PDT
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Flash bangs stun them leaving them nearly unprotected and easy to kill. You Can also use flashbangs farther away and not have them to land under there feet. And the enemie can jump away from your grenades. The military use's them in sourceful ways. If there was no point in flashbang's then why do they exist. Just like pizza :P

  • 04.26.2004 3:02 PM PDT
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No there not the earlier one is straight up the second one is like a round torus and then something in the middle of it like smoke.

  • 04.26.2004 3:02 PM PDT
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I suggest that no one else posts in this topic, some people are too ignorant and childish to even discuss things, they believe that the only possible answer is the one that they think is correct.

  • 04.26.2004 3:03 PM PDT
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Also keep in mind this was a completely scripted event. Bungie could have adjusted the damage of this particular grenade to show off the stun effects. I don't think a judgement can be made until the MC uses one.

  • 04.26.2004 3:08 PM PDT
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Bungie announced a long time ago that FRAGMENTATION grenades would have a stun effect for targets out of range of the explosion...

  • 04.26.2004 3:09 PM PDT
Subject: Flashbang or Fragmentation Grenade?
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If it was a frag grenade, they'd all be dead.

  • 04.26.2004 3:12 PM PDT
Subject: Flashbang or Fragmentation Gernade?
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round torus


Coulda swore it was cubic. j/k

Just trying to lighten the mood in this thread.

  • 04.26.2004 3:12 PM PDT
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Ok jsut to help you:

gernade? You are saying gerr*nade . Ummm he knows he says frag clear because he did, lol.

  • 04.26.2004 3:24 PM PDT

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