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Subject: To Innovate or Perfect

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Poll: To Innovate or Perfect  [closed]
Innovate:  43%
(32 Votes)
Perfect:  57%
(42 Votes)
Total Votes: 74

Would you rather Bungie innovate with this game and go in a direction that may or may not be a good game or would you rather them just iron out all the problems with the other games and make the perfect "Halo" game?

With Halo: Reach we could see the first use of the project Natal. Imagine having to really interact with the weapons and reload the gun and such or to melee or anything really.

Or should they just stick to what they already do?

  • 08.24.2009 12:00 PM PDT
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They should move toward perfecting the game. Drastic innovation never works. Bungie should perfect the weapons and gameplay, perfect Forge, etc.

  • 08.24.2009 12:03 PM PDT

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Nothing can be perfect for any one person, and people will always want more and more, so perfection is not attainable, and if you think it is, then you have a very slim look on life, and as a gaming community as a whole...

So inovation is the only choice in that poll that makes any sense, and the majority of gamers will not like coming back to the same thing, in a new game...

[Edited on 08.24.2009 12:08 PM PDT]

  • 08.24.2009 12:05 PM PDT

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Best poll i have seen in a while.

I voted perfect what they are doing with Halo. It's still Halo and think that maybe they should innovate with the next IP. It's certainly more room for it.

  • 08.24.2009 12:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mooreiuz V


I voted perfect what they are doing with Halo. It's still Halo and think that maybe they should innovate with the next IP. It's certainly more room for it.


Perfection is, and always will be unattainable, there will always be diferences in opinion, and feel for a game. So the only point that has any logic in your post, is the tid bit of innovation praise.

  • 08.24.2009 12:11 PM PDT

It depends entirely on what you mean by innovate. Innovating could mean anything from new weapons/vehicles/equipment (something that would be fine) to using Natal (something that I view as more of a casual game interface - like the Wii controller). I'm going with perfecting the flaws, since the term innovate is so vague. Also, game companies are supposed to do both at the same time.....

  • 08.24.2009 12:12 PM PDT

Posted by: zash208
Perfection is, and always will be unattainable, there will always be diferences in opinion, and feel for a game. So the only point that has any logic in your post, is the tid bit of innovation praise.


So perfection is unattainable. So, therefore, we should never try and just leave the problems in the game. Who cares? If the community complains, we will just tell them that perfection is unattainable. [/sarcasm]

Perfect may not be the exact term, but it is quite obvious what the OP means (more balanced weaponry and fixing the flaws in the game that aren't up to debate - glitches and bugs)

  • 08.24.2009 12:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Paladin52
It depends entirely on what you mean by innovate. Innovating could mean anything from new weapons/vehicles/equipment (something that would be fine) to using Natal (something that I view as more of a casual game interface - like the Wii controller). I'm going with perfecting the flaws, since the term innovate is so vague. Also, game companies are supposed to do both at the same time.....


Game companies can never do both, only one... Inovate, because perfection, as is spelling on forums, will never be attained, at least if you have a far and inbetween community, such as the bungie community.

We have children, teens, and well spoken adults. There is also, corparate spokesmen, 1337 speak dorks, and idealist men. There will never be perfection found in a group that vast.

[Edited on 08.24.2009 12:45 PM PDT]

  • 08.24.2009 12:17 PM PDT
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Will you shut up with your philosophical garbage? Please?

Obviously nothing can be perfect. However, you can work towards it by improving what you already have. You know, the thing that happens when you don't make some gimmicky innovation that no one likes?

  • 08.24.2009 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: DebatingBoot
Will you shut up with your philosophical garbage? Please?

Obviously nothing can be perfect. However, you can work towards it by improving what you already have. You know, the thing that happens when you don't make some gimmicky innovation that no one likes?


Then you should have said, balance it, and not perfect it...

  • 08.24.2009 12:45 PM PDT

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Honestly I would lean towards innovation.

although those arguing perfect have a good point but weve been using the same controllers for 3+ years now why not try something new?

-Bullet

  • 08.24.2009 12:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bulletproof2323
Honestly I would lean towards innovation.

although those arguing perfect have a good point but weve been using the same controllers for 3+ years now why not try something new?

-Bullet


The controls in our Halo games can stay, maybe be improvised a little, but the gameplay and design is what needs the real inovation here, in Reach.

  • 08.24.2009 12:47 PM PDT

Hey. Pull my dongle.


Cmon, just one time, you big baby!

They should try to perfect Halo. They can innovate with their next game series.

  • 08.24.2009 12:50 PM PDT

This kid's 14th in Europe. Don't even bother calling me bad.

I don't think natal would work for halo at all.

  • 08.24.2009 1:01 PM PDT

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Well it's quite obvious why zash208 wants innovation instead of perfection after looking at his service record.

Im sorry but i had to after you bashed my "logic".

[Edited on 08.24.2009 1:37 PM PDT]

  • 08.24.2009 1:33 PM PDT

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  • 08.24.2009 1:38 PM PDT

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Problems? What is there to Perfect. nothing is perfect.

  • 08.24.2009 1:41 PM PDT
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As long as their definition of innovative isn't let's rip useless features from every other game.

  • 08.24.2009 1:44 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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I'd say innovation is for their new Intellectual Porperty. Perfection is for this franchise. But you can have your cake and eat it too! Who is to say Bungie won't add something new to the game, and still have similar gameplay mechanics that we all know and love :D

  • 08.24.2009 1:50 PM PDT

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  • 08.24.2009 1:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mooreiuz V
Well it's quite obvious why zash208 wants innovation instead of perfection after looking at his service record.

Im sorry but i had to after you bashed my "logic".


Really?

Because rank in a video game, means so much, when ideas to improve, and not perfect gameplay mean much, much more.

And if it means much to you, ranked is boring, and so I do not play it, I and many other players play the game for what it was meant to be, fun, and enjoyable. And by playing social, and other things, such as customs, where I can inovate the game in any way I want to, is how I have fun in a game, you may not play the game for this, but calling out someone, for a rank in a video game, where pleasure is all that matters is very shallow.

  • 08.24.2009 2:29 PM PDT

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After reading the previous posts I would have to say perfecting the series has an honest logical reasoning behind it.

But lets look to history to see if perfection is truly what will create the best experience. Take Unreal Tournament for Example. One after another it is clear the evolution of the game is one that is very linear and just involves upgrading and expanding upon the current base, which was successful for the first few versions of the game, but now has become stagnant with the latest title being a pretty big failure compared to its predecessors though they themselves were successful.

One could look to Valve's games to see how innovation can pay off. Portal offered innovative game play, though very short and episodic in nature. Yet their previous experiments with episodic content through Episodes 1 and 2 have proved very successful as well. They proved that delivery of the game can prove to impact game play and desire of a title. When you know the game is short, you tend to really enjoy every detail instead of rushing through to the end. Left 4 Dead was a great idea, and even though it was almost only co-op multi-player it still proved to be successful. Though I will admit, it wasn't all innovative as it was cracked up to be.

An example of innovation. CCP games is releasing a first person shooter on the consoles that will play into the MMO "Eve-Online" for the PC. The two will effect each other but will not be the same game.

To me innovation will involve risk taking on Bungie's part that I'm not sure they have in them anymore. But then again they are founded on risk taking, Halo was originally designed as an RTS for the Mac.


  • 08.25.2009 10:03 PM PDT

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They should try to improve on previous games while trying something new (that doesn't mean classes or making it Call of Duty-ish).

  • 08.25.2009 10:10 PM PDT

Posted by: zash208
Posted by: Mooreiuz V


I voted perfect what they are doing with Halo. It's still Halo and think that maybe they should innovate with the next IP. It's certainly more room for it.


Perfection is, and always will be unattainable, there will always be diferences in opinion, and feel for a game. So the only point that has any logic in your post, is the tid bit of innovation praise.

I agree. No matter how much you balance the game, or cater to peoples whims, there will always be those who whine, beg for their apple juice, go poop and fall asleep.

You can't be perfect because every person is different and has different tastes. I choose innovation.

  • 08.25.2009 10:12 PM PDT

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