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Subject: What WON'T be in Halo Reach

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

I am tired of finding people on this forum who haven't read the Halo books, or at least the Fall of Reach, and think they can argue with those who have. So, this thread is clearing up the crap from this forum and hopefully will stop these "uneducated users" from posting nonsense in this forum. So, if you haven't read the books, read on...

In no particular order...

1) Sierra =/= Spartan. Sierra 259 isn't a spartan for obvious reasons. If you don't know who this Sierra 259 is, he is the guy that talked in the Halo Reach trailer, and people have been speculating that he is a spartan. First of all, 259 isn't a number for any of the spartans. The spartan IIs only went up to 150 or so, the spartan IIIs didn't exist and they had different codes anyway. Sierra can also mean sniper, special ops, or pelican pilot.

2) You will not be fighting as Master Chief in this game UNLESS the game is based on the entire book "The Fall of Reach." Although MC came back to Reach to save spartans, he wasn't on it when the planet was glassed. Bungie will not disturb their own storyline.

3) You will not be fighting as Spartan IIIs. The spartan III program wasn't even initiated until the MC was on Earth which was during Halo 2.

4) You will not have Mark VI armor, the armor you fought in Halo 2 and Halo 3 with. This armor hasn't been developed yet. You will either be playing in Mark IV, or Mark V armor

5) You will not be playing with or as Sam. He died before the battle of Reach, in fact, he was the first spartan to be killed. He was killed after the spartan's first encounter with the covenant and he was killed when the covenant ship was destroyed.

I might add more in the future depending on what I see, but honestly guys, keep this in mind before posting...

  • 08.25.2009 9:35 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Posted by: lotrguy
Sierra does equal spartan sometimes, such as with the first level of the H3 campaign, but it obviously doesn't for the Reach trailer. I think it was just a pelican, such as Echo 419 (E419) so it would be pelican S259. That is just my opinion. Oh, and thank you for creating this thread for all of those who haven't read the books, although they should because they are great books, this will hopefully increase the accuracy of the threads.

And peoples, read the books! It's good for your brains, and it will make you sound less like an ignoramus on the Reach forums.


Yes, Sierra can mean spartan, but not in Halo Reach. The voice of reason.

  • 08.25.2009 9:43 PM PDT

Tank beats everything!

Visit my youtube channel for Vehicular awesomeness!

Weapons and Vehicles that may or may not be in Reach is another subject for this thread. I don't think the Spartan Laser was invented yet, but I don't recall anything about that from the books.

We may see the older versions of the Scorpion and the Wraith, (without turrets.) And maybe even the original Choppers made by Engineers, except the modified version the Brutes made. For those who don't know, The original Choppers were made from a downed Spirit dropship as a gift to the humans. They were not intended as war Vehicles but as plows for the crops on Harvest. The Brutes saw their potential for combat and upgraded them with Spikers as their primary weapon. I'm not sure how soon after the Brutes upgraded the spikers on the Chopper into spike cannons though. But the Chopper in Halo Reach is a must. We may see the Spectre return, and possibly replace the Prowler.

  • 08.25.2009 10:00 PM PDT

wes smith

3) You will not be fighting as Spartan IIIs. The spartan III program wasn't even initiated until the MC was on Earth which was during Halo 2.

seems someone didn't read the ghost of onyx, if he/she did they would know that spartan 3 went operational n 2540-41


  • 08.25.2009 10:07 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
2) You will not be fighting as Master Chief in this game UNLESS the game is based on the entire book "The Fall of Reach."
....god no....

  • 08.25.2009 11:05 PM PDT

Hi. I'm AlbinoKola1. Currently I am not into Halo. I love to post on the forums though and I will always try to give my best opinion. My goal is to rise in the forum ranks and to have my space cowboy become a familiar symbol. I have one quote that shishka will use. If you send me a message, I'm sorry if I don't respond.

We aren't going to have power armour are we?

  • 08.25.2009 11:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I am tired of finding people on this forum who haven't read the Halo books, or at least the Fall of Reach, and think they can argue with those who have. So, this thread is clearing up the crap from this forum and hopefully will stop these "uneducated users" from posting nonsense in this forum. So, if you haven't read the books, read on...

In no particular order...

1) Sierra =/= Spartan. Sierra 259 isn't a spartan for obvious reasons. If you don't know who this Sierra 259 is, he is the guy that talked in the Halo Reach trailer, and people have been speculating that he is a spartan. First of all, 259 isn't a number for any of the spartans. The spartan IIs only went up to 150 or so, the spartan IIIs didn't exist and they had different codes anyway. Sierra can also mean sniper, special ops, or pelican pilot.

We don't know the names OR numbers of 10-20 Spartans.
2) You will not be fighting as Master Chief in this game UNLESS the game is based on the entire book "The Fall of Reach." Although MC came back to Reach to save spartans, he wasn't on it when the planet was glassed. Bungie will not disturb their own storyline.
You don't know how far back or how far forward Reach will be set. For all we know it can be from childhood training to the end of First Strike/right before Halo2.
3) You will not be fighting as Spartan IIIs. The spartan III program wasn't even initiated until the MC was on Earth which was during Halo 2.
The Spartan IIIs started in the 2530s. About 5-10 years after the start of the war. You COULD play as SIII's, but it is unlikely as they are used as a strike force, not a defense force, nor would they have been called from Onyx all the way to Reach. It was over by then. Also, Gamma team gets deployed in September/October of 2552. Reach falls in August of 2552. Alpha and Beta were all wiped out (save Tom and Lucy).
4) You will not have Mark VI armor, the armor you fought in Halo 2 and Halo 3 with. This armor hasn't been developed yet. You will either be playing in Mark IV, or Mark V armor
No doubt about this. Maybe permutations.
5) You will not be playing with or as Sam. He died before the battle of Reach, in fact, he was the first spartan to be killed. He was killed after the spartan's first encounter with the covenant and he was killed when the covenant ship was destroyed.
See question 2.
I might add more in the future depending on what I see, but honestly guys, keep this in mind before posting...
If people post before thinking, what makes you think they will search for this topic?

  • 08.25.2009 11:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I am tired of finding people on this forum who haven't read the Halo books, or at least the Fall of Reach, and think they can argue with those who have.


Have read them, and they don't "prove" that I am wrong here.


1) Sierra =/= Spartan. Sierra 259 isn't a spartan for obvious reasons. If you don't know who this Sierra 259 is, he is the guy that talked in the Halo Reach trailer, and people have been speculating that he is a spartan. First of all, 259 isn't a number for any of the spartans. The spartan IIs only went up to 150 or so, the spartan IIIs didn't exist and they had different codes anyway. Sierra can also mean sniper, special ops, or pelican pilot.


Except that in the books, more Spartan-IIs were created after GoO and were battle ready a few years before Reach. Furthermore, Sierra 259 refers to Spartans as "we", and Sierra 320 refers to a combat drop (ODSTs and Spartans are the only troops to do this). Finally, in neither the books nor the games was Sierra ever used for anything other than Spartans. Go back and read the history of the war and you will realize that the Spartan-IIIs had already existed and Alpha and Beta company were killed and Gamma was in training during the Battle of Reach. Furthermore, there have been references to a second group of Spartans that were trained starting in 2537. (It was in iLoveBees) Read up on it on Halopedia.


2) You will not be fighting as Master Chief in this game UNLESS the game is based on the entire book "The Fall of Reach." Although MC came back to Reach to save spartans, he wasn't on it when the planet was glassed. Bungie will not disturb their own storyline.


MC didn't come back to Reach until First Strike, after Halo CE. And both events at Reach were short. The game would only be like two levels if your play as MC.


3) You will not be fighting as Spartan IIIs. The spartan III program wasn't even initiated until the MC was on Earth which was during Halo 2.


GoO starts before the Battle of Reach. In fact, it starts in 2531, when the Battle of Reach is not until 2552.


4) You will not have Mark VI armor, the armor you fought in Halo 2 and Halo 3 with. This armor hasn't been developed yet. You will either be playing in Mark IV, or Mark V armor


According to FoR, Master Chief is given the Mark V armor right before the Covenant ambush the planet.


5) You will not be playing with or as Sam. He died before the battle of Reach, in fact, he was the first spartan to be killed. He was killed after the spartan's first encounter with the covenant and he was killed when the covenant ship was destroyed.


Don't forget Malcolm. People have been claiming that he will be playable in the game, but he dies when Red Team's Pelican crashes into the planet.


I might add more in the future depending on what I see, but honestly guys, keep this in mind before posting...


1) Most of your theories aren't any more valid than some other theories.

2) There will always be people who don't know what they are talking about. You can't really fix it.

[Edited on 08.25.2009 11:43 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2009 11:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Paladin52
Except that in the books, more Spartan-IIs were created after GoO and were battle ready a few years before Reach. Furthermore, Sierra 259 refers to Spartans as "we", and Sierra 320 refers to a combat drop (ODSTs and Spartans are the only troops to do this). Finally, in neither the books nor the games was Sierra ever used for anything other than Spartans. Go back and read the history of the war and you will realize that the Spartan-IIIs had already existed and Alpha and Beta company were killed and Gamma was in training during the Battle of Reach. Furthermore, there have been references to a second group of Spartans that were trained starting in 2537. (It was in iLoveBees) Read up on it on Halopedia.

I Love Bees is selectively canon (just like Halo Wars). Ghosts Of Onyx counters ILB by saying that funding was pushed from a second class of Spartan IIs to the creation of the Spartan IIIs.

  • 08.25.2009 11:48 PM PDT

There could be a second class of spartan II's which would explain the number 259. Even if he only said sierra, it is completely obvious that it is a spartan judging by the Mark IV armor being worn.

  • 08.25.2009 11:48 PM PDT

Posted by: BronzeBilygoat
There could be a second class of spartan II's which would explain the number 259. Even if he only said sierra, it is completely obvious that it is a spartan judging by the Mark IV armor being worn.

We don't know the original test size of candidate there were. We don't know the names and numbers of 10-20 Spartans. It is entirely possible that there was a Spartan 259 and 320 in John's class. There was no second class.

  • 08.25.2009 11:52 PM PDT

How could I have known, the parasite was full!

"Furthermore, there have been references to a second group of Spartans that were trained starting in 2537. (It was in iLoveBees) Read up on it on Halopedia."

Everyone can write into Halopedia, do not use it as trustable source.

"Don't forget Malcolm. People have been claiming that he will be playable in the game, but he dies when Red Team's Pelican crashes into the planet."

Just a tiny bit wrong :P they all jumped off the pelican before it crashed and something like 4 died on the hard landing.
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What comes to Spartan III's.
It is also not possible to have Spartan IIIs in this game no matter what, they were used for twice as high risked, mostly suicidal, missions and i doubt this was one of em since few of these spartans who landed on Reach yet survived to escape it with master chief. (not AS suicidal as they actually did, an entire companies of Spartan IIIs died in just one of their missions). And it was not even close to a resourceful planet for Covenants fleet or such since they just ambushed it theres not much of info of it for the UNSC Fleetcom.

OT/ would be very nice to see a cinematic or so of the fight of the reach which occurred in the space between unsc and covenant. nice things would happen if it will be able to seen finally without imagination while reading a book. :P /OT

  • 08.26.2009 12:43 AM PDT

for ace

Read all of the books and I think from what was in The Fall of Reach would make for a good game. Maybe begins with the Spartan's training then fast forward to The Battle Of Sigma Octanus IV would be really cool.

  • 08.26.2009 12:54 AM PDT

Posted by: Otakahunt
"Furthermore, there have been references to a second group of Spartans that were trained starting in 2537. (It was in iLoveBees) Read up on it on Halopedia."

Everyone can write into Halopedia, do not use it as trustable source.


Can anyone also write into iLoveBees? Because that was the source. I just found it through Halopedia. And if Bungie decides that iLoveBees is part of the canon, then there would be another group of Spartans (probably around 150+ conscripted - unknown number surviving until Reach) added to the original 150 that could have been at the battle. Thus, there could be a Spartan 259 or Spartan 320. It would also be interesting to see how a second group of Spartan-IIs training would differ from the original group.


"Don't forget Malcolm. People have been claiming that he will be playable in the game, but he dies when Red Team's Pelican crashes into the planet."

Just a tiny bit wrong :P they all jumped off the pelican before it crashed and something like 4 died on the hard landing.


Red Team was only 4 Spartans. The rest were already on the planet. And Malcolm died from the landing. The specifics don't really matter.


It is also not possible to have Spartan IIIs in this game no matter what, they were used for twice as high risked, mostly suicidal, missions and i doubt this was one of em since few of these spartans who landed on Reach yet survived to escape it with master chief.


The only Spartan-IIIs that existed at the time were in training on Onyx (Gamma Company). When MC escaped and blew up Installation 04, the Battle of Onyx began because the Sentinels woke up. There were no Spartan-IIIs on Reach. Just Spartan-IIs.

  • 08.26.2009 1:05 AM PDT

Posted by: azliand
We don't know the original test size of candidate there were. We don't know the names and numbers of 10-20 Spartans. It is entirely possible that there was a Spartan 259 and 320 in John's class. There was no second class.


In the books, the original test size is given as 150 children. Also, in iLoveBees, there is a mention of a second class that would have been active for a few years before the Battle of Reach.

  • 08.26.2009 1:07 AM PDT

Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: azliand
We don't know the original test size of candidate there were. We don't know the names and numbers of 10-20 Spartans. It is entirely possible that there was a Spartan 259 and 320 in John's class. There was no second class.


In the books, the original test size is given as 150 children. Also, in iLoveBees, there is a mention of a second class that would have been active for a few years before the Battle of Reach.

Ghosts of Onyx denies ILB. In the books, the second phase of screening is given as 150 kids which was cut to 75 in the end. Out of those 75, 33 would live through the training and augmentation. The first phase is AT LEAST 117, but no more than 999.

  • 08.26.2009 3:55 AM PDT

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I thought that Sierra would be some part of a phonetic alphabet such as echo or foxtrot, that would explain why Sierra 117 is used for MC and Sierra 259 isused for a non-spartan in this case

  • 08.26.2009 4:34 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Sierra in military terms usually means Sniper.

  • 08.26.2009 4:39 AM PDT
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IN HALO SIERRA ALWAYS MEANS SPARTAN... seriously, its a freaking story that bungie made. They use "Sierra" in the trailer because they knew everyone would think Spartan right away because thats what they identified in their previous game Sierra meant. Like they couldn't make it more obvious when he says "This is Sierra 259, You've have Spartans on the Ground, Were not going anywhere" people are just stupid and think their mega smart if they come up with some retarded theory.

  • 08.26.2009 6:04 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

You've have Spartans on the Ground, Were not going anywhere" people are just stupid and think their mega smart if they come up with some retarded theory.
You have have Spartans on the Ground?

Calm down, and don't call me retarded, look at this link.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_Team_Sierra
Sierra 259 is probably a Spartan, but there is a chance he may not be.


  • 08.26.2009 6:14 AM PDT
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"This is Sierra 259. We've got Spartans on the ground sir. We're not going anywhere"

Sounds like its a Spartan.

  • 08.26.2009 7:12 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

It probably is a Spartan. I just wouldnt be suprised if Sierra 259 was just a normal marine, or a Pelican.

  • 08.26.2009 7:17 AM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

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3) You will not be fighting as Spartan IIIs. The spartan III program wasn't even initiated until the MC was on Earth which was during Halo 2.


seems someone didn't read the ghost of onyx, if he/she did they would know that spartan 3 went operational n 2540-41





No, the Spartan 3 programme started in 2531.
The battle of Reach was in 2552.




Oh snap! OP gets contradicted...OP doesn't return.


[Edited on 08.26.2009 7:22 AM PDT]

  • 08.26.2009 7:20 AM PDT

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