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Posted by: CBTrigg
A tip to help with the areas you find difficult is to save and quit out whenever you die, then start it up so you can retry at the part you died at. This way you can pratice at the parts giving you trouble without going through the rest of the level.
Yeah and don't turn off Iron because that's the randomness Skull.

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A tip to help with the areas you find difficult is to save and quit out whenever you die, then start it up so you can retry at the part you died at. This way you can pratice at the parts giving you trouble without going through the rest of the level.
Yeah and don't turn off Iron because that's the randomness Skull.

lol. Yeah, basically the more you play the easier it gets.

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That's weird, because the more I play the mission, the more I die.

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Posted by: Gazas
That's weird, because the more I play the mission, the more I die.

I felt it made you 10X more careful everytime.

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That's weird, because the more I play the mission, the more I die.

I felt it made you 10X more careful everytime.
Careful?

In what way? The whole mission is basically kamikaze to me.

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The main thing with Coastal Highway is mainly knowing when to stay back and knowing when to rush on through for each section. The balance between the two are key to survival.

I hate the ending so much though because you can end up with no plasma weapons and the AI are incredibily useless. In my practice run, the only time they decided to use rockets was to shoot the ground where I was standing.

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Posted by: Green Salsa
The main thing with Coastal Highway is mainly knowing when to stay back and knowing when to rush on through for each section. The balance between the two are key to survival.

I hate the ending so much though because you can end up with no plasma weapons and the AI are incredibily useless. In my practice run, the only time they decided to use rockets was to shoot the ground where I was standing.


QFT. I tihnk that with Gazas treating the entire thing as kamikaze is where he's going wrong.

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Posted by: MATCLAN
Posted by: Green Salsa
The main thing with Coastal Highway is mainly knowing when to stay back and knowing when to rush on through for each section. The balance between the two are key to survival.

I hate the ending so much though because you can end up with no plasma weapons and the AI are incredibily useless. In my practice run, the only time they decided to use rockets was to shoot the ground where I was standing.


QFT. I tihnk that with Gazas treating the entire thing as kamikaze is where he's going wrong.
Hey hey, I'm just doing what you guys have done in your films. If you don't count the ending part, I haven't seen any part where you have been staying back. I'm not talking about the parts when you let Buck clean up the rest.

Btw, I just saw a War Chieftain chasing me with a Gravity Hammer. It was awesome. I have no idea how that happened but yeah...it didn't even use invincibility which only Hammer Chieftains can use.

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I tried to explain before, doing the same thing isn't the same as understanding. I originally got frustrated with the level then decided to watch Vincent's film. I watched but didn't understand and just tried to replicate what he did, therefore I had no success. It was only when I gave up his method and tried my own again that I suddenly realised why he did certain things and I then realised how I too could improve my strategy.
Then I completed the mission.
IMO understanding and planning are the keys to success.

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You need to say something deeper than "understanding."

Understanding what? Give me specifics. Give me an example. I'm not bright if you think that.

That wasn't even the subject, give me examples on where in the middle of the hot road I have to know whether I should stay back or rush?

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Is it bad that I'm having more trouble with Kizingo Bolevard that I did with Coastal Highway?

Did a practice run of Data Hive too. Only 1 death while under the hive; much easier than I remember it being on Legendary.

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Posted by: Gazas
You need to say something deeper than "understanding."

Understanding what? Give me specifics. Give me an example. I'm not bright if you think that.

That wasn't even the subject, give me examples on where in the middle of the hot road I have to know whether I should stay back or rush?


Examples would be the 2nd section of the road which begins with a lot of Jackals. Rushing to the end at that section almost always ends with being pounded by a Brute Shot or getting stuck. On the other hand if you wait, clean up the Jackals and then move on the enemies and Olifant have been given enough time to conflict mmakign it so that you can easily splatter the most intimidating Brute and have the doors open almost instantly.

I'll pull up more examples if you want, particularly with the Gauss or Tank sections should you be so specific.

EDIT: By "understanding" I mean that you need to get inside a players head and try to see things from their perspective. Think like someone else.

Also to RC Master, I struggled a lot with Kizingo Boulevard too. I'd easily say it's the second hardst mission simply because Ghosts and grenades are so annoying in tha tmission as the tank isn't as effective with everything being driven by Brutes.

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Posted by: RC Master
Is it bad that I'm having more trouble with Kizingo Bolevard that I did with Coastal Highway?

Did a practice run of Data Hive too. Only 1 death while under the hive; much easier than I remember it being on Legendary.
I did Kizingo on my 4th try or so, I made it to the Gauss turrets 2 times, died in the beginning the rest of the times. I can't see it being hard, try thinking yourself of vulnerable as hell in the tank...because you are. =)

Where do you die? If you die at the tank parts, just stay back. Don't even let a Grunt get behind you. Know exactly where the Shades are so you can kill them before they even know what hit them. Use the map to see if anyone is still alive after you've bombarded an area.

If you die on foot...all you really need is a PP and the Pistol. Headshot Grunts and don't get yourself exposed to Brutes. Let Dutch draw their attention, then PP them. At the very end, stay on the higher ground, at the side. Jackals go down easy as you headshot them while they run. Grunts, you know what to do, Brutes, PP them while they go up the stairs. When your side is clear, get behind the Wraith by hugging the wall. PP it from behind and board it. Then go up to Dutch and help him kill the rest of the Jackals and Grunts on his side. Dunno if that helps.

Did Data Hive on my first try, right after the night segment...a little surprised. But it took me 61 minutes.

Under the hive part is easy if you just stay back and shoot them with the Beam Rifle.

MATCLAN, more examples mean more help for me so I'd appreciate it.

I gotta say, no ODST mission has been hard for me on Mythic, I've died, but of course you die, you die on Floodgate too. Coastal hit me hard.

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Posted by: Gazas
You need to say something deeper than "understanding."

Understanding what? Give me specifics. Give me an example. I'm not bright if you think that.

That wasn't even the subject, give me examples on where in the middle of the hot road I have to know whether I should stay back or rush?


Run first, second, third, and fourth. By rush I mean, go from one end and wait by the door for the Olifant. Just be careful driving through the first two because of the Grunts.

After the fourth, you need to start taking breaks. Stopping before the Warthog left in the fifth section and hopping out gives me a break from being shot at by Ghosts; normally if you try and drive past that you'll have taken too much damage and die before you can grab one of the two health packs located next to a crate not far from the Warthog. While waiting for the Olifant to pass, I take out a few Ghosts through a Plasma Pistol/Rocket combo so the Olifant has less enemies shooting it as well as reducing the chances of getting myself killed. Once the Olifant has passed by and the Ghosts have shifted their focus, there is a moment where you can safely get to the health packs and the crate. If you keep an eye on the Olifant once it stops to make sure no Ghosts follow it, you can take your time killing the Ghosts. If the Olifant's shields are flashing, move further up the highway to get its attention.

Next section you have the Gauss Hog, but you're just as easy to take out. Drive in and stop by the other Gauss Hog, as there are two health packs there as well which will keep you healed while you wait for the Olifant to go by. If no Banshees are circling and focused on you, use the turret of the other Gauss Hog. I find the Banshees normally focus on me when I am out of the Warthog, so you usually only get time for a shot or two. Once the Olifant passes by, get back in the Warthog and rush up toward the door. Hop out and take cover behind the Warthog and just wait patiently and hope nothing goes wrong. I've had two times where a Ghost would ram the other side of the Warthog and then I'd end up dying from the Warthog tapping me.

Next area you can just rush through. I ended up finding the car and bus make great cover when developing a strategy. I wanted somewhere to hide and it sure as hell beats standing beside the Warthog. The Wraith won't move enough to get a shot on the Warthog from there, and the Olifant can survive through the pass even while taking hits from the Wraith so long as it isn't being attacked by too many other enemies. This is where you have to hope Buck does a good job.

Then you get the Tank.

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Next area you can just rush through. I ended up finding the car and bus make great cover when developing a strategy. I wanted somewhere to hide and it sure as hell beats standing beside the Warthog. The Wraith won't move enough to get a shot on the Warthog from there, and the Olifant can survive through the pass even while taking hits from the Wraith so long as it isn't being attacked by too many other enemies. This is where you have to hope Buck does a good job.This is the part I always get to and always fail in two ways:
I die on my way rushing to the door
Dare dies on her way rushing to the door.

The Ghosts land their shots on me all the time and I don't stand a chance. Although this doesn't happen as often as Dare dies. She only survives when Iron is off. =)

And thanks for the post.

Coastal Highway without Iron done, 4 deaths. 3 Suicides before the Phantom arrival. The one death I got splattered by my own Warthog hiding behind it.

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Posted by: Gazas
Next area you can just rush through. I ended up finding the car and bus make great cover when developing a strategy. I wanted somewhere to hide and it sure as hell beats standing beside the Warthog. The Wraith won't move enough to get a shot on the Warthog from there, and the Olifant can survive through the pass even while taking hits from the Wraith so long as it isn't being attacked by too many other enemies. This is where you have to hope Buck does a good job.This is the part I always get to and always fail in two ways:
I die on my way rushing to the door
Dare dies on her way rushing to the door.

The Ghosts land their shots on me all the time and I don't stand a chance. Although this doesn't happen as often as Dare dies. She only survives when Iron is off. =)

And thanks for the post.


Right, well make sure you stick to the right hand side of the road to avoid as much Wraith and Ghost attention as possible.
After that do as Vince says and park the 'hog next to the crashed bus and car, personally I also prefer to back it up against the soon to be open gateway as it seems to get rammed and flipped less.
Now, although you may be safe hiding behidn the bus, Dare obviously isn't so you'll need to pop out every now and again to attract some attention and to look at what you want to Buck to shoot. Try to have a Ghost rush you and keep it on screen whilst avoiding its shots, Buck should prioritise it as a threat to you and open fire more frequently on it. Of course if you have the ammo you can always Overcharge/hijack or Rocket the Ghosts if you need to.
As for Banshees, they're really sporadic at this point and aren't really threatening at all once the Ghosts are gone. Just keep an eye out for flying debris as it can splatter you.

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Yeah I do all of that, I keep the Warthog right to the right wall but I get hurt quite easily. Yeah I do park the Warthog right on the door because I hate it when it flips from plasma shots.

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Well as far as dying or the Olifant dying before reaching the gateway is concerned, you must be incredibly unlucky. Otherwise, have you practiced spending as much time as possible (without dying) holding the Ghosts' attention? Maybe you just need to give Dare enough breathing room to have Buck thin out the enemy population.

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Thing is, when Dare survives it's only because they all were shooting at me, which means I've been hiding behind the bus with no health all the time.

Whenever I make it to the door, it's because they were all busy shooting Dare.

I didn't get the practice part of your part, what do you mean exactly?

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Posted by: Gazas
I can't see it being hard, try thinking yourself of vulnerable as hell in the tank...because you are. =)

Still seem to be able to take quite a lot of damage though, which is why i was surprised on my last run when a wraith mortor took me out when i thought I had full health. Apparently I had no stamina though. *shrugs*



Where do you die?
Mostly in the last area. The very first run i had after watching Vince's film I got right to the end with two jackals and the wraith driver left. While approaching the wraith from round a corner it magically just realises I'm there, spins on the spot and takes me out in one shot.

After that I've been stuck a couple of times (grunts) and brute shotted a couple more times. Had a death or two dealing with the first wraith but thats no biggie.

Use the map to see if anyone is still alive after you've bombarded an area. Yup, already do this.

If you die on foot...all you really need is a PP and the Pistol. Was trying with a beam rifle, don't really know why other than i had plenty with plenty of ammo.

Under the hive part is easy if you just stay back and shoot them with the Beam Rifle. But theres so many! GAH! They are limited in that area right? It felt like they just kept coming and after 4 waves I just rushed it under the platforms.

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It's not bad, just go forward and trigger the first wave, then run back. Let Dare do the job, don't even shoot. When you don't hear anything, proceed and trigger the next wave, go back, repeat. At the last waves, which is by the door you must run to, you can stay back and snipe the Drones, it's a one shot kill. When you're of Beam Rifle ammo, you can jump down to the crate where you picked the sniper up and take the other one. Take the lift on the opposite side of the one you took first and then continue shooting.

Dark said all of this to me while I was doing it. Got it the first time, even though I was extra careful and it took me a while.

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By practice I mean that you should either play without Iron and constantly redo that section even if you succeed.

I'd dearly love to watch some of your films to see what exactly is going wrong.

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Sure, just come over to my house and we'll watch them together.

There should be some kind of spectator mode in Halo where one could play while others just watch. That would be awesome. And you would be able to chat at the same time. Maybe disable flying camera and all that.

Anyway, I'll go complete Coastal one more time without Iron and then I'll go to sleep.

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Yeah, like I'm going to be able to fly to Sweden just to check out some Halo stuff. A bit of a costly trip IMO. :-P

Otherwise I like that idea for a spectator mode, it would be really useful when trying to demonstrate a point regarding Mythic. Go and suggest it in the Reach forum, you'll at least break the monotony of endless BR threads.

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Haha, yeah maybe I will.

I'm at the end of Coastal now and I'm either getting better or I'm just really lucky this round. Died 3 times at the second highway part (with Jackals in the beginning) and that's it. All because of fail splatter attempts.

I know the reason to why I died all the time rushing the Wraith part. My Warthog was beat up. I took damage more. So I decided to switch Warthog and there I went with a brand new one, didn't lose any health at all. Only Stamina.

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