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Subject: Could halo reach include spartan 3's
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Posted by: deathman1000
Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: privet caboose
Disproves the existence of Spartan II class II's, and Spartan III's in reach.

The information comes from iLoveBees, which confirms that the class 2s began training in 2537.

Quit reading after "The one on the left is clearly Sam" when Sam died years before Reach. Furthermore, the Spartan II class II's are referred to in iLoveBees. I agree that Spartan III's won't be in Reach because the only living ones were on Onyx.


If you had read his post it would explain why it was sam. And Josesph staten has already confirmed that I love bees was non canon.

No, he wasn't sure. 3...years...ago.

  • 08.29.2009 3:23 PM PDT

Posted by: infaxmous
its a 17+ game. on the back of the game box it says "game experience may change online" and at the age of 12 i know most boys are NOT going to say "eww, cooties" at pics on some fileshares.


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In reply to deathman1000, #113:

I am seriously laughing out loud right now! WHERE'S MY SHOTGUN? haha Freaking comic gold.

Posted by: azliand
Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: privet caboose
Disproves the existence of Spartan II class II's, and Spartan III's in reach.


Quit reading after "The one on the left is clearly Sam" when Sam died years before Reach. Furthermore, the Spartan II class II's are referred to in iLoveBees. I agree that Spartan III's won't be in Reach because the only living ones were on Onyx.
If you really read Onyx, you would know that there was no second class of Spartan IIs.


THANK YOU finally someone who knows what he is talking about

  • 08.29.2009 3:24 PM PDT

Let's hope so!

  • 08.29.2009 3:25 PM PDT

Posted by: infaxmous
its a 17+ game. on the back of the game box it says "game experience may change online" and at the age of 12 i know most boys are NOT going to say "eww, cooties" at pics on some fileshares.


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In reply to deathman1000, #113:

I am seriously laughing out loud right now! WHERE'S MY SHOTGUN? haha Freaking comic gold.

Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: deathman1000
Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: privet caboose
Disproves the existence of Spartan II class II's, and Spartan III's in reach.

The information comes from iLoveBees, which confirms that the class 2s began training in 2537.

Quit reading after "The one on the left is clearly Sam" when Sam died years before Reach. Furthermore, the Spartan II class II's are referred to in iLoveBees. I agree that Spartan III's won't be in Reach because the only living ones were on Onyx.


If you had read his post it would explain why it was sam. And Josesph staten has already confirmed that I love bees was non canon.

No, he wasn't sure. 3...years...ago.


No I can remember him pretty clearly stating that it was non canon, this was said after frank o connor said it was, disproving O' Connor's statement

  • 08.29.2009 3:25 PM PDT

Posted by: deathman1000
Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: privet caboose
Disproves the existence of Spartan II class II's, and Spartan III's in reach.



Quit reading after "The one on the left is clearly Sam" when Sam died years before Reach. Furthermore, the Spartan II class II's are referred to in iLoveBees. I agree that Spartan III's won't be in Reach because the only living ones were on Onyx.

The information comes from iLoveBees, which confirms that the class 2s began training in 2537.

If you had read his post it would explain why it was sam. And Josesph staten has already confirmed that I love bees was non canon.


Yeah, I saw his explanation. Still thought it was nonsense. It required far too much wrangling of the storyline, and also depended on a lot of events that we don't know about (how much Natal will factor in for one).

Also, 2 years AFTER Staten "confirmed" Bees wasn't canon, Frankie said it was "embraced as canon" (meaning as long as it doesn't contradict the books/games, it counts), and since he is in charge of the Halo Universe now, I'm going to listen to him.

  • 08.29.2009 3:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: deathman1000
Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: privet caboose
Disproves the existence of Spartan II class II's, and Spartan III's in reach.



Quit reading after "The one on the left is clearly Sam" when Sam died years before Reach. Furthermore, the Spartan II class II's are referred to in iLoveBees. I agree that Spartan III's won't be in Reach because the only living ones were on Onyx.

The information comes from iLoveBees, which confirms that the class 2s began training in 2537.

If you had read his post it would explain why it was sam. And Josesph staten has already confirmed that I love bees was non canon.


Yeah, I saw his explanation. Still thought it was nonsense. It required far too much wrangling of the storyline, and also depended on a lot of events that we don't know about (how much Natal will factor in for one).

Also, 2 years AFTER Staten "confirmed" Bees wasn't canon, Frankie said it was "embraced as canon" (meaning as long as it doesn't contradict the books/games, it counts), and since he is in charge of the Halo Universe now, I'm going to listen to him.

It WAS contradicted in the books. Sierras 320 and 259 are the same class as the Chief. My guess is they are part of the Team Beta that was a splinter of Fred's team on Reach.

  • 08.29.2009 3:32 PM PDT

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S3's didn't even exist yet. not till a few years later dude. hopefully there will be some in Halo 4 though.

  • 08.29.2009 3:32 PM PDT

Posted by: infaxmous
its a 17+ game. on the back of the game box it says "game experience may change online" and at the age of 12 i know most boys are NOT going to say "eww, cooties" at pics on some fileshares.


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In reply to deathman1000, #113:

I am seriously laughing out loud right now! WHERE'S MY SHOTGUN? haha Freaking comic gold.

Posted by: DrakeBS757
S3's didn't even exist yet. not till a few years later dude. hopefully there will be some in Halo 4 though.


They existed, but they were never on reach, due to the possibility that Catherine halsey would discover the project

  • 08.29.2009 3:34 PM PDT

Posted by: DrakeBS757
S3's didn't even exist yet. not till a few years later dude. hopefully there will be some in Halo 4 though.

Spartan IIIs started in the 2530s. Reach falls in August 2552. The third team of Spartan IIIs finish training and are deployed September/October of 2552. There can't be any Spartan IIIs on Reach.
They existed, but they were never on reach, due to the possibility that Catherine halsey would discover the project In addition to that, it doesn't make sense from a logistical standpoint to send a company of soldiers worth millions of dollars each to a planet that would fall within a day when it would take literally weeks to get there. Spartan IIIs were made for tactically important suicide missions, not lost causes.

[Edited on 08.29.2009 3:37 PM PDT]

  • 08.29.2009 3:34 PM PDT

Posted by: infaxmous
its a 17+ game. on the back of the game box it says "game experience may change online" and at the age of 12 i know most boys are NOT going to say "eww, cooties" at pics on some fileshares.


Join PiggyMcClan
In reply to deathman1000, #113:

I am seriously laughing out loud right now! WHERE'S MY SHOTGUN? haha Freaking comic gold.

Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: deathman1000
Posted by: Paladin52
Posted by: privet caboose
Disproves the existence of Spartan II class II's, and Spartan III's in reach.



Quit reading after "The one on the left is clearly Sam" when Sam died years before Reach. Furthermore, the Spartan II class II's are referred to in iLoveBees. I agree that Spartan III's won't be in Reach because the only living ones were on Onyx.

The information comes from iLoveBees, which confirms that the class 2s began training in 2537.

If you had read his post it would explain why it was sam. And Josesph staten has already confirmed that I love bees was non canon.


Yeah, I saw his explanation. Still thought it was nonsense. It required far too much wrangling of the storyline, and also depended on a lot of events that we don't know about (how much Natal will factor in for one).

Also, 2 years AFTER Staten "confirmed" Bees wasn't canon, Frankie said it was "embraced as canon" (meaning as long as it doesn't contradict the books/games, it counts), and since he is in charge of the Halo Universe now, I'm going to listen to him.


From what I know, Frankie is in charge of the extended halo universe Items, Halo Wars, Halo uprising Halo legends and the like, but is not directly over Halo Canon, that is left to Bungie and the Authors selected by bungie to write the novels.

  • 08.29.2009 3:36 PM PDT

Posted by: infaxmous
its a 17+ game. on the back of the game box it says "game experience may change online" and at the age of 12 i know most boys are NOT going to say "eww, cooties" at pics on some fileshares.


Join PiggyMcClan
In reply to deathman1000, #113:

I am seriously laughing out loud right now! WHERE'S MY SHOTGUN? haha Freaking comic gold.

Posted by: azliand
Posted by: DrakeBS757
S3's didn't even exist yet. not till a few years later dude. hopefully there will be some in Halo 4 though.

Spartan IIIs started in the 2530s. Reach falls in August 2552. The third team of Spartan IIIs finish training and are deployed September/October of 2552. There can't be any Spartan IIIs on Reach.
They existed, but they were never on reach, due to the possibility that Catherine halsey would discover the project In addition to that, it doesn't make sense from a logistical standpoint to send a company of soldiers worth millions of dollars each to a planet that would fall within a day when it would take literally weeks to get there. Spartan IIIs were made for tactically important suicide missions, not lost causes.


Yes I knew that, I simply thought it would be easier to point out one of the most obvious reasons

EDIT apologies for the double post

[Edited on 08.29.2009 3:39 PM PDT]

  • 08.29.2009 3:38 PM PDT

IM THE PH34R IN YOUR MIND!

There can't be any Spartan IIIs because they're only battles were Operation: PROMETHEUS, Operation: TORPEDO, the Battle of Onyx, the Battle of New Constantinople, Insurrection of Mamore, and the Bonanza Asteroid Belt.

  • 08.29.2009 3:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

  • 08.29.2009 4:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tucker 051
Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

100% opinion.

  • 08.29.2009 4:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: Tucker 051
Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

100% opinion.


Indeed, but almost definitely true. Ilovebees is definitely non canon. There is a small possibility of a Class II but it's unlikely in my opinion.

  • 08.29.2009 4:20 PM PDT

Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: Tucker 051
Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

100% opinion.

110% fact actually. ILB has been contradicted by Staten and Ghosts of Onyx. Any idiot can edit a page and make it SEEM legit on Halopedia.

  • 08.29.2009 4:21 PM PDT
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I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: Tucker 051
Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

100% opinion.

110% fact actually. ILB has been contradicted by Staten and Ghosts of Onyx. Any idiot can edit a page and make it SEEM legit on Halopedia.

Bungie NEVER said that they didn't exist. So it IS 100% opinion.

  • 08.29.2009 4:23 PM PDT

Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: Tucker 051
Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

100% opinion.

110% fact actually. ILB has been contradicted by Staten and Ghosts of Onyx. Any idiot can edit a page and make it SEEM legit on Halopedia.

Bungie NEVER said that they didn't exist. So it IS 100% opinion.

Ghosts of Onyx did. You know, the book commissioned to be written by BUNGIE to expand their canon.

  • 08.29.2009 4:24 PM PDT
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I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: Tucker 051
Ilovebees is not canon and Halopedia is not always a valid source. There are no Spartan II Class II's.

100% opinion.

110% fact actually. ILB has been contradicted by Staten and Ghosts of Onyx. Any idiot can edit a page and make it SEEM legit on Halopedia.

Bungie NEVER said that they didn't exist. So it IS 100% opinion.

Ghosts of Onyx did. You know, the book commissioned to be written by BUNGIE to expand their canon.

Ghosts of Onyxs says that their training was DEYLAYED. Not halted. And why don't you like the idea of a class 2?

  • 08.29.2009 4:26 PM PDT

Posted by: magog_rules
Ghosts of Onyxs says that their training was DEYLAYED. Not halted. And why don't you like the idea of a class 2?

It simply does not make sense to have a class 2. You have the operational Spartan IIs and the Spartan IIIs which take much less time and money to build. Along with it being a completely black op, you aren't bound by ethics, so you can do whatever needs to be done.

  • 08.29.2009 4:28 PM PDT
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I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

What would your reaction be if there are class 2s in Reach. What then?

  • 08.29.2009 4:29 PM PDT

Posted by: magog_rules
What would your reaction be if there are class 2s in Reach. What then?

I would shrug and continue to play the game, wondering why the other class, let alone anyone else, never even heard of them.

  • 08.29.2009 4:30 PM PDT
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I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
What would your reaction be if there are class 2s in Reach. What then?

I would shrug and continue to play the game, wondering why the other class, let alone anyone else, never even heard of them.

I would just scream "I F***ING TOLD YOU SO" to the entire Reach community.

  • 08.29.2009 4:32 PM PDT

Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
What would your reaction be if there are class 2s in Reach. What then?

I would shrug and continue to play the game, wondering why the other class, let alone anyone else, never even heard of them.

I would just scream "I F***ING TOLD YOU SO" to the entire Reach community.

And then when there isn't a second class?

  • 08.29.2009 4:34 PM PDT
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I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: azliand
Posted by: magog_rules
What would your reaction be if there are class 2s in Reach. What then?

I would shrug and continue to play the game, wondering why the other class, let alone anyone else, never even heard of them.

I would just scream "I F***ING TOLD YOU SO" to the entire Reach community.

And then when there isn't a second class?

Well even though I basicly have definate proof that there is, I would carry on playing.

  • 08.29.2009 4:36 PM PDT

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