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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

well you fight like a maniac you come out on the other end

this is really deep in exploration of the unknown i congradulate you on your state of mind of staing stuff that is not normal too ordinary mans pschi (@)*!*(@)

  • 03.23.2010 7:41 AM PDT

The only reason the cov. are attacking us is becuase we are the forerunners and if the general populance finds this out they'll find out that the who "journey" is a fake starting a civil war or plain out craziness

[Edited on 04.02.2010 1:46 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2010 1:45 PM PDT

Favorite video game series: Professor Layton or Half-Life
Favorite video game: Super Mario Galaxy
Favorite movie series: Pixar (It's not really a series, but I just can't pick.)
Favorite movie: Inception

Now I am in no ways a Wolverfrog or Lord Snakie, but I have a theory which is just a guess really: What if this is part of a cycle? What if, for millions of years, Precursors and Forerunners, have been leaving the galaxy because of Flood attacks? Maybe in millions of years, Humanity will be a Tier 1/0 race, but is attacked by the Flood once more? And this time, the flood would ''win''.

Then, Humanity would pick another race to pass the Mantle on to.

It has to happen eventually.

  • 04.04.2010 9:25 AM PDT

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I would have to go with the humans being more Foreunner descent.

Proof: As you start the level Cortana in Halo 3 the Gravemind will say 'child of my enemy, "why have you come?'

Humans being childs of Forerunners. Forerunners being enemy of the flood/Gravemind.

  • 04.04.2010 8:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Slim Jimmy 12
I would have to go with the humans being more Foreunner descent.

Proof: As you start the level Cortana in Halo 3 the Gravemind will say 'child of my enemy, "why have you come?'

Humans being childs of Forerunners. Forerunners being enemy of the flood/Gravemind.


Unless you believe that the Precursors once warred with the Flood, in which case that statement supports this theory.

  • 04.05.2010 6:26 AM PDT

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There has also been a theory that he Precursors created the flood and the Gravemind went rampant ( he could be an AI) killing the Precursors but not intentionally calling them an enemy.

The Forerunners were an enemy to the Flood ( the Forerunner - Flood War)

But who knows? It's just a theory.

  • 04.05.2010 7:23 AM PDT

Well this theory assumes that the Precursors were forced back to their homeworld by the attacking Flood, and thus, the Precursors and therefore we are an enemy of the Flood.

  • 04.05.2010 7:27 AM PDT

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First, I would like to credit you on your hard work to get this post up.

Now I would also like to say I do not believe in this theory. Yes, the brutes have been brought down by civil war but that doesn't mean that their technology has been lost. With simple cooperation they can easily return to the space age tier. The same is true with the precursors. Even after centuries of batttling the flood why would they lose their technology or memory of the event. It just is not plausable.

I think that the precursors may have thought of humanity as special and accelerated life on the planet in their own likeness. Thus, humans were given a stable thought process and a conscience-just like them. This is posible because they were able to accelerate life in other species. After the Precursors vanished, humanity progressed on its own until they met the Forerunners. The Forerunners then saw that they possesed a conscience and intellect similiar to theirs and also hought of them as special. Unfortunetly, they realized this too late as they had to light the Halos to stop the flood.

So in fact, humans are like Precurosers and Forerunners but are not them. They are LIKE but not them.

  • 04.05.2010 2:27 PM PDT

You're perfectly welcome to believe that. I'd just like to say, however, that the idea of an 'evolved and older' human race has been present in science fiction a very long time. In many of these fictions, the idea of a branch of them devolving and reverting into what we now know as humanity has been explored too.

This is what I believe is happening in Halo with the Precursors. They may not have devolved as a result of war, maybe they just destroyed all technology and knowledge as they knew what a terrible thing omniscience was.

Regardless, this is just a theory which may or may not be true. Just a different way of thinking; a break from the tired old "Humanity are Forerunners" belief.

  • 04.06.2010 2:02 AM PDT
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I was just re-reading some of the original post.

The part about the crystal and its location on Reach. Its even possible that Reach was in fact their homeworld. Earth and Reach are close and they're very similar planets.
The crystal itself I've always thought to be definitely Precursor. I helps Chief and Halsey get to another system in minutes instead of hours. Its too hard to know whether or not the crystal has any kind of self awareness or intent, or whether it can simple be 'used' by its holder. Either way, its ability to bend space and time feeds back into one of the only solid things we've ever heard about the Precursors.
They can travel between Galaxies. The crystal would make that much easier to achieve.

Just my two cents. I'm no Lord Snakie or Wolverfrog. I'm not even an Agustus.

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  • 04.06.2010 3:02 AM PDT

This is a very convincing theory everybody.

[Edited on 04.06.2010 5:30 AM PDT]

  • 04.06.2010 5:26 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]
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I think this is all going to be revealed in the next game Bungie makes, which I believe will be a game about the Forerunners.

  • 04.19.2010 5:41 PM PDT

one thing i dont get about forerunners is in ghosts of onyx there is ruins and a sentinel factory and a safe area from the halo arrays so why didnt some go there to hide while the halos were activated. and in one of the halo legends episodes it shows all the life coming out of pods containing there dna but there are no forerunner pods?

  • 04.21.2010 8:33 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

this is a good thery good work

[Edited on 04.22.2010 7:28 AM PDT]

  • 04.22.2010 7:27 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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didn't a Onyx sentinal state that the S-III was a "sub-species" and decided it wasn't a reclaimer? Or is this a reference that Spartan-IIs are reclaimers and S-IIIs are more of a "sub-species" of S-IIs. I'm most likely wrong

  • 04.24.2010 1:13 AM PDT

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didn't a Onyx sentinal state that the S-III was a "sub-species" and decided it wasn't a reclaimer? Or is this a reference that Spartan-IIs are reclaimers and S-IIIs are more of a "sub-species" of S-IIs. I'm most likely wrong


I believe it was because Ash (like every S-III) had artificial augmentations, most notably an illegal drug designed to affect the brain's frontal lobe to enhance combat. I reckon this was enough for the Sentinel to recognise it as a "sub-species", even though they aren't.

  • 04.24.2010 1:38 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

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very good thought about the reclaimer thing. the forerunners wouldn't call humans themselves reclaimers if they were in power and had nothing to reclaim, they would call the precursors(humans) reclaimers because they needed to reclaim what was once theirs.

  • 04.28.2010 6:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: conrad graf
very good thought about the reclaimer thing. the forerunners wouldn't call humans themselves reclaimers if they were in power and had nothing to reclaim, they would call the precursors(humans) reclaimers because they needed to reclaim what was once theirs.


Not true! In the book The Flood Master Chief finds a dead marine in the Library, and 343 Guilty Spark says something about him also being a reclaimer who didn't make it. Any old human is a Reclaimer. The Luminary in Contact Harvest is proof also.

  • 04.28.2010 8:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Slim Jimmy 12
I would have to go with the humans being more Foreunner descent.

Proof: As you start the level Cortana in Halo 3 the Gravemind will say 'child of my enemy, "why have you come?'

Humans being childs of Forerunners. Forerunners being enemy of the flood/Gravemind.


No one said that the Flood wiped out the Precursors also.


[Another theory]

Assuming the Precursors were forced to extinction by the Flood, perhaps a galactic release of Flood marks the end of any species that have acquired the Mantle...and the beginning of a new one. Like a cycle. Why I think this way because so many things in nature go in revolutions. Earth, the physical planet, goes in a cycle. North America and Europe/Africa are slowly moving apart from each other, allowing the magma from inside the earth to rise up and eventually, recycle the crust. A very long time* later, the crust will be back in it's near original form (nothing is ever exact) and life will restart. This cycle theory also applies to ALL organisms.

Birth > Developing organism > Adult (reproduces at this time) > Death.

Sure, some die before reproductive age, but natural selection deals with that. This organism cycle will keep going because of the children that were created.

Getting back on track. If so many things on Earth go in a cycle, why not the galaxy as a whole?

The cycle wouldn't be radically different:

BEGINNING (not in a cycle yet)

Creation of original organisms in the universe

Cycle: Now that the basic establishment of organisms have been made...:

One, intelligent race takes control over universe > The intelligent race goes into a long peace for some time ( near-utopia) > Flood is introduced > The race gets nearly wiped out > The race chooses the next fittest race to lead after they are gone (Mantle is passed down) > Intelligent race gets wiped out > Flood somehow "leaves" for the next cycle > BEGIN CYCLE AGAIN.

The cycle does seem like the Forerunner > Human theory, but I'm basing it upon cycles (from my knowledge in Biology) and a guess.

Any flaws?

  • 05.03.2010 5:57 PM PDT

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This seems plausible, and it is supported by the way the forerunners first encountered the flood, by finding it on a planet, similar to the way the Humans first discovered the Flood (First on the unnamed planet in Halo Wars, and again on the Halo rings).

The only problem that I can think of is the extra-galactic origin of the Flood, making it seem that there is a beginning to the Flood's existence in our galaxy, so at some point they must have become a new part of this cycle, as an unnatural addition.

And for people who think that Humans are Forerunners, you forget that a tribesman named N'chala witnessed the forerunners building the portal to the Ark.

And on the relation between Humans and Precursors, I think that the Precursors created the Forerunners to inherit the Mantle from them, and created Humanity to take up the mantle in case the Forerunners failed. The way that the Precursors had Humanity develop later than the Forerunners was that the Precursors left Humanity in an earlier stage in it's development cycle, and left it to evolve naturally.

Since the Precursors wanted to minimize the chance of Humanity failing to be able to inherit the Mantle for some unforeseen reason. To minimize this risk the Precursors evolved several other species and left them in different parts of the galaxy as backup. Some of these species may have been the Species found in the Covenant. This would explain the fact that all species use DNA (Think about it, if everything evolved completely separately, what are the chances that these creatures would all use DNA?). It would also explain the similarities between the different species. Note how many covenant species are bipedal, have two eyes, and two arms with hands with fingers and thumbs.

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  • 05.03.2010 6:19 PM PDT

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  • 05.10.2010 12:59 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

I love your idea, i was thinking too about the flood like the reaper. Other thing that could happen is that the precursor vanish entirely living the forerunner and when the forerunner were to clone us the flood attack but then they use the halos and destroy everything, when we finally get clone by all the sentinels we don't remember anything of our past.

  • 05.10.2010 2:18 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

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i would just like to add something. it says the Precursors were trans sentient beings, and passed down the Mantle to the Forerunners. and you have to take actual history into account. around the time of the Precursors, what was of humanity? cavemen? when it shows the Forerunners building the Portal on earth in Origins II, it shows early evolved humans. now, i will admit there might have been an addition to our universe by Bungie, in which a more evolved Human race existed before neanderthals, however, take into account the Earths formation. before Humans, large, pre-evolved creatures roamed the earth, and before that, the earth was just a half volvanic/half amonia micro organism planet. for the Human race to evolve within that timeframe will label them something close to Precursors, however, thats IF they can actually evolve. i share some views on your theory, and i think it makes very great points, however, no one can be too sure about anything beyond what the terminals dictate. im sure Bungie made it for us to imagine.

oh, and i agree, why arent you a Mythic member yet???

  • 05.14.2010 4:52 PM PDT
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This is why halo will always be the best game ever, the halo-universe, there are so many thoerys about halo that consprices about real life stuff seems stupid and small, i mean with AR, cryptic messages, and a whole bunch of crap bungie do for thier community, no wonder halo's fan-base is so darn big.

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I think everyone's had would simultaniusly explode if the precursors moved to the other galaxy's and got engulfed by the flood. i mean i'd eat my own head if it turnt out the prcursors were the flood.

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I don't understand the forerunners facination with us, if we are reclaimers, is that why the portal to the ark was on our doorstep?

Also i love your thoerys, although the "Gorden freman is master chief" is always my fav one

also sorry if i'm talking out my rear-end i don't really know that much about the halo uiverse, at least compared to you lot.

  • 05.14.2010 5:58 PM PDT

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i would just like to add something. it says the Precursors were trans sentient beings, and passed down the Mantle to the Forerunners. and you have to take actual history into account. around the time of the Precursors, what was of humanity? cavemen? when it shows the Forerunners building the Portal on earth in Origins II, it shows early evolved humans. now, i will admit there might have been an addition to our universe by Bungie, in which a more evolved Human race existed before neanderthals, however, take into account the Earths formation. before Humans, large, pre-evolved creatures roamed the earth, and before that, the earth was just a half volvanic/half amonia micro organism planet. for the Human race to evolve within that timeframe will label them something close to Precursors, however, thats IF they can actually evolve. i share some views on your theory, and i think it makes very great points, however, no one can be too sure about anything beyond what the terminals dictate. im sure Bungie made it for us to imagine.

oh, and i agree, why arent you a Mythic member yet???


Well, we don't know how old the Precursors were. It could have been millions of years before the Forerunners entered the scene when the Precursors became humanity. History isn't known for certain; all we have is the fossil record, which is hardly definite, conclusive evidence. This theory requires that you be open minded.

  • 05.15.2010 5:06 AM PDT