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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]
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"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways." - James Oliver Rigney

Some great theory, good work all around.

I'd just like to point out, for good and bad, that while Cortana is telling the story in Origins 1 and 2, she's going partially rampant (I assume) and parts of her story won't match up with the canon, from a visual standpoint and an actual story one. Quite a few discrepancies might arise from this, or some artistic license might be taken.

May have been stated, and it may not really have any bearing.

The Iris catch was pretty interesting though, major Kudos on that.

  • 09.30.2010 8:59 PM PDT

Wow, that is actually a really good theory. Sir, I applaud you.

  • 10.01.2010 7:14 PM PDT
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I can remember reading somewhere that the Covenant made a radar that could detect Forerunner artefacts.
The funny thing was that Humans show up as artefacts on the radar/ scanner thing.

Because of this the prophets waged war on humanity, the knowledge of actual forerunners (or Precursors) being alive would tear the Covenant apart.
So basically, Humans are either Forerunner or Precursor.

  • 10.02.2010 12:44 PM PDT

SCARYLEET WILL SUCK ON YOUR FACE!! (Not literally)

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=48155233

You, sir, are a genius.
The part that you said that John used all of the forerunner controls instinctively, so did Dr. Anders in halo wars, she hacked the controls, and used the holographic controller ball on that same mission.
You, sir, are awesome! :D

  • 10.02.2010 1:33 PM PDT

Let's get it own!

Awesome ideas! I'm a believer. Just seems to make sense in a Bungie way. Like all the puzzle pieces fit just right in the Haloverse. Great job!

  • 10.05.2010 7:31 PM PDT

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This would then say that humans did not evolve unless the precursors were gorillas? Halo: King of the Apes?

  • 10.12.2010 3:49 AM PDT

How dont we know if the Forerunners went forward in time just after activating the Halo ring, therefore they could see the world after humanity had colonized and other what-not (idk if forerunners were that technically advanced enough to time travel, just a thought though)

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  • 10.12.2010 4:32 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?
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I ended up believe humans are Forerunners but actually "devolved."

Just a little too much evidence that Forerunner are human, without it being 100% confirmed. Maybe they were humanoid, or even a different species but with the same build and general appearance of humans.

I was so into this back in the day lol

  • 10.12.2010 10:07 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]
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Uh...

The theory was good, however a big plot-hole in your theory was the cataclysmic event that supposedly "de-evolved" the Precursors. Sure it could have been the Flood, but there is no proof for that.

Your analogy to Mass Effect was good as well however, if we don't know EXACTLY what caused the Precursor to disappear, then the relation/analogy with the Reapers is kind of non-existent.

Also, I believe the Forerunners did not have actual personal contact with the Precursors, only Humans, which is probably why they worshiped the Precursors as Gods, so I doubt a lot of the relics were made with both a Forerunner/Precursor influence.

This also explains how certain Forerunner technology can only be used by Humans. (Halo Rings, Index, etc.)

Great theory though.

  • 10.13.2010 9:07 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

I don't see why not. The Covenant discovered Forerunner technology and yet still worshipped them. The whole devolution thing could have been anything. It could be like Battlestar Galactica, or Stargate, or something else. It doesn't necessarily need to be the Flood, I just think that it's the most likely considering that the Flood pre-dated the Forerunners.

Anyway, we know pretty much nothing about the Precursors aside from a few small lines in the terminals. I'm just hypothesising here, using conjecture and small traces of evidence.

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  • 10.15.2010 12:05 PM PDT
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Very nice! Of course almost no one can prove you completely right, it is still a very nice theory and you looked through the facts carefully.. not many can prove you wrong either!

  • 10.15.2010 7:04 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

Okay I kind of got the first part but as it went on with every other word being Precursors I got confused.

This is what I got. So humans were handed down the technology from the Forerunners. But in a way humans are some how biologically related, which would explain why the rings need a human to activate them or how Master Chief "some how" knew which ancient holographic panel to press to open a door or elevator etc.

Correct if I'm wrong.

But since your theory is one hell of a brain explosion.
What if Master Chief is a forerunner like Guilty Spark said. What if when the slipspace hole closed up and sent Master Chief to another side of the universe, it actually sent him back in time to the planet Onxy where he became apart of the forerunners, helped design 343 Guilty Spark and in a sense, helped himself in the future? Crazy isn't it?

  • 10.17.2010 10:09 PM PDT

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  • 10.17.2010 10:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chief Goodwater
Okay I kind of got the first part but as it went on with every other word being Precursors I got confused.

This is what I got. So humans were handed down the technology from the Forerunners. But in a way humans are some how biologically related, which would explain why the rings need a human to activate them or how Master Chief "some how" knew which ancient holographic panel to press to open a door or elevator etc.

Correct if I'm wrong.

But since your theory is one hell of a brain explosion.
What if Master Chief is a forerunner like Guilty Spark said. What if when the slipspace hole closed up and sent Master Chief to another side of the universe, it actually sent him back in time to the planet Onxy where he became apart of the forerunners, helped design 343 Guilty Spark and in a sense, helped himself in the future? Crazy isn't it?


ermmm first of all onxy is a shield world all the tech there was to protect every forerunner that hides inside it

onxy is a Greenish planet full of life and forest, the ending on lengendary was a desert planet with little to no life on it. the planet that he could have landed on was the one from halo wars where the spirt of fire chases after the arbiter to rescue dr. anders also know as a flood planet. Also the slipspace drive can not send you back in time cause travel into the past is basicly IMPOSSIBLE, it basicly bends the universe so that you move faster then the speed of light. so the fate of master chief is the same fate as jorge since jorge did the exact samething that chief did just in different ways which leads me to believe that jorge didnt die but was transported eles where

  • 10.18.2010 5:25 PM PDT

dude high five, thats some intense stuff. My only thing to question is the idea that the flood put the Precursors into hiding by beating them, and then going away until the next population burst was in full throttle. The flood are a species or zombie that consume with an instinct to survive and to reproduce as every other species to ever exist has and does. It just wouldn't make sense to me for them to into waiting for more population, i think they would just consume until there was nothing left and then die out from eventual starvation.

but seriously i love the thoughts and its an intense theory.
cudos man

  • 10.19.2010 7:36 AM PDT

Hmmm, very interesting. It is certain that there are connections between both the Forerunners and Humans. I like your theory.

  • 10.19.2010 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Wolver, you should update this with the information in the re-releases of the Flood (specifically the Librarian's report). While it doesn't exactly lead to the conclusion the Humans are Precursors, it definitely suggests that the Precursors had a large hand in guiding (or creating) the evolution of life on Earth.

  • 10.19.2010 10:54 PM PDT

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"It actually looks more like human ancient Japanese design than Forerunner."

HMMMM....Maybe it looks like an ancient Japanese design because its anime and we all know who makes that!

  • 10.20.2010 10:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Also, the statues inside the ruins show what seem to be animals usually found on Earth. And who do we theorise do originate from Earth? That's right, the Precursors. If the Forerunners had built the ruins, then surely they would have images of their Gods, not animals.


The precursors where the 'gods' of the forerunners, and we never saw the forerunners draw pictures of anyone on their walls...

I'm not all sure with your theory, but how I see the human-forerunner relations is that the Forerunners needed someone to 'reclaim' their technology if there is another Flood outburst.

This could still leave an opening for the humans to be precursors.

I dont find the Halo-Legends videos as canon, and refuse to believe them (Halsey is younger then the Spartans.... Imagine that your mother was younger then you).
But since you quoted Halo-Legends, I will do so also, how would a super developed race de-evolutionize in such a way that they would pretty much turn into primapes? If you look at the Halo-Legends video, you can see these furry creatures on planet earth which are humans.



In Halo Legends the Elites (Shangheili) lived in mud houses.
So, any type of architecture you see in these videos (like the Japanese buildings) does not make sense.

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  • 10.20.2010 11:46 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

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Posted by: P3P5I
Agustus, I have one problem with your theory: how did the forerunners find a way to defeat the flood and the pecursors (who were far more advanced) couldn't?

Wolverfrog, good theory (except the part about the de-evolution of the precursors).
maybe the flood weren't the cause of the fall of the Precursors, or perchance, the Precursors weren't willing to cause the extinction of all life.

as for their de-evolution (devolution?) there are a number of ways this can happen such as the way the brutes blasted themselves back so far. Or have you ever read any of the Pern series? a colony of humans that intentionally dismantled all of their technology as to live the simpler life that eventually resulted in them forgetting how to build the technology, or even the fact that they were a colony. Or if you have watched Star Trek Insurrection the Baku choose not to live with technology even though they had warp capacity, add a couple hundred years you can see them forgetting their roots too.

de-evolution is not that big of a streatch of the mind

  • 10.20.2010 12:19 PM PDT

De evolution? The only way for these theory's to work is if we completely ignore human evolution, how can Humans be Forerunner or Persecusor if we evolved from bacteria to begin with millions of years ago?
That basically rules Forerunner out, no way is 100,000 years long enough to make us Forerunner in any way, unless somehow the knowledge is in our DNA in a way the Forerunners embedded it.

We could be Persecusor in a way, but again how do you explain Human evolution? Perhaps they put the building blocks of life on this planet, but there's no way they'd come here then "de-evolve" in to Apes then become Humans.
Oh and there's no such thing as "de-evolution" biologically at least, what might appear to be a backwards step is just a way of a species taking a form that is better adapted, so it is still evolution.

  • 10.20.2010 3:51 PM PDT

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What's a Precursor?

  • 10.20.2010 6:57 PM PDT

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I love this theory. It will be interesting to see what information is provided in the upcoming Forerunner trilogy. Also, the crystal OP mentioned was indeed Precursor according to Halsey in Fall Of Reach. I read the book a long time ago and don't remember the details but Halopedia says that Halsey said it's Precursor.

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What's a Precursor?

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  • 10.22.2010 3:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

I say they were wiped out, and God simply re-created them. Nice theory though WF.

  • 10.25.2010 7:07 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]
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Increadible insight, i hope to see this theory compleetely affirmed at a later date. The whole background into forerunner biology, history, and culture has been avoided for so long. Thank you for posting this, finally, someone who is willing to discuss the relationship between humans and forerunner souly on the merrit of the topic!

  • 10.26.2010 2:00 PM PDT