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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

And God said "Let there be light." But then the program crashed because he was trying to access the 'light' property of a NULL universe pointer.

Win.

  • 10.27.2010 8:21 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

**It's a shame stupidity can't be converted into a usable energy source.
**I don't know about the world ending, but common sense ended a long time ago.
**Advantages are taken, not handed out.
**I reject your reality & substitute my own.

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Ninjas With Attitude

Wow. That's very well thought out. I don't think I would've ever through of humans as possible Precursors.

I think the cataclysmic event the Precursors could have encountered is totally valid. Think of the the demise of the Roman Empire in Europe. The Romans had a ridiculous set of knowledge of how things worked, how to properly build, sanitation, etc. But when the Roman Empire met its demise around 475AD, Europe didn't reach that level of knowledge and ability until roughly the 1400's and 1500's.

  • 10.27.2010 8:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
A likely scenario is that the Precursors encountered the Flood, which would make the Flood much like the Reapers in Mass Effect


This is the only section of your theory i'm unsure on - Isn't it mentioned that the forerunner created the flood?

  • 10.27.2010 10:46 AM PDT

**It's a shame stupidity can't be converted into a usable energy source.
**I don't know about the world ending, but common sense ended a long time ago.
**Advantages are taken, not handed out.
**I reject your reality & substitute my own.

The WorkPLace
Ninjas With Attitude

Isn't it mentioned that the forerunner created the flood?

No, the Forerunner encountered the Flood when the Flood invaded the galaxy.

Forerunner-Flood War from the Halopedia:
"The Flood entered the Milky Way galaxy at approximately 98,379 BCE, and initially caught the Forerunner military by surprise at G617 g1 using captured non-military vessels to penetrate local Forerunner naval blockades to descend and land upon Forerunner-colonized worlds..."

  • 10.27.2010 11:06 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

imma staring atchu

the sins the forerunners did was activate the rings and killing all flood. that would piss me off if i was a flood

  • 10.27.2010 4:29 PM PDT

The Road Up and The Road Dow is... oh screw it blow stuff up


Posted by: Gdude
Posted by: P3P5I
Agustus, I have one problem with your theory: how did the forerunners find a way to defeat the flood and the pecursors (who were far more advanced) couldn't?
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Then how did humanity defeat the flood, despite the forerunners not being able to?


we had the raw badass that is mastercheif, who is chuck norris' great great grandson

  • 10.28.2010 4:20 PM PDT

think this is the most impressive theory about the link between humanity/forerunner/precursor i have seen...certainly answers a lot of unasked questions, i don't personally think the flood can be stopped, look at floods in reality, all you can really do is slow them down or divert them, you can never truly stop them...!

on another note, another science fiction universe has a similar story, in the stargate universe the 'ancients' (basically precursors, they have long since shed their physical being and ascended to a higher plane of existance) are hinted at being the 'creators' of the wraith and the replicators. the wraith were created by an 'experiment' i think at the beginning and evolved in a way that wasn't expected. they advanced to the point of being able to threaten their 'creators' and the lantean/wraith war began, later in the war the ancients created the replicators to combat the wraith, since the replicators could really be stopped, they are by all intensive purposes indestructable since they consume, replicate and spread. in the end the lanteans end up having to fight their replicator creations, so fighting both the wraith and the replicators to the point of their ascension. humanity are the 'children' of the ancients, they are infact early ancients...! very similar principle to the halo universe story arc if you ask me...!

  • 10.28.2010 4:53 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
on another note, another science fiction universe has a similar story, in the stargate universe the 'ancients' (basically precursors, they have long since shed their physical being and ascended to a higher plane of existance) are hinted at being the 'creators' of the wraith and the replicators. the wraith were created by an 'experiment' i think at the beginning and evolved in a way that wasn't expected. they advanced to the point of being able to threaten their 'creators' and the lantean/wraith war began, later in the war the ancients created the replicators to combat the wraith, since the replicators could really be stopped, they are by all intensive purposes indestructable since they consume, replicate and spread. in the end the lanteans end up having to fight their replicator creations, so fighting both the wraith and the replicators to the point of their ascension. humanity are the 'children' of the ancients, they are infact early ancients...! very similar principle to the halo universe story arc if you ask me...!

The Wraith were not an experiment. They were more or less a product of carelessness on the Lanteans part. The Lanteans allowed the Humans that they seeded on a planet to be repeatedly fed upon by Iratus Bug, which mutated into the Wraith, IIRC. Thus began that war.

  • 10.28.2010 5:18 PM PDT

well carelessness, experiment, it all boils down to the ancients screwing up in one way or another! :-D

  • 10.28.2010 5:51 PM PDT

Pertaining to your theory, WF, if Humanity is indeed descendents of the Precursors,this cutscene would make a lot more sense.

Like you said, if the Precursors originally were from Earth, it would make sense that they would colonize Reach as humanity did. It would also explain the assumed-to-be Forerunner artifact in Halsey's lab.

Emilie - "What is this stuff?"
Halsey - "Knowledge. A birthright, from an ancient civilization."

At first I took this to mean that it was a Forerunner artifact. But after reading your theory, I'm not so sure. Since the Forerunners discovered Humanity when Humanity was already in existence, how is their technology our birthright? You might say that the key to the Halo Rings is our birthright, well not necessarily. If Humanity was descendent of the Forerunners, then why did they discover us only shortly before firing the Halo Array? Technically, the Halo Array isn't a birthright so much as it is the gaining of technology given to us.

This might not make sense as I am emotionally drained as I right this, but just my two cents.

  • 10.28.2010 6:52 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

we do know why they disappeared, they were loosing to the flood so they fired the rings but didn't get to the shield worlds.

  • 10.28.2010 7:25 PM PDT

The Diving Pirates will surface!


Posted by: monkDAN
we do know why they disappeared, they were loosing to the flood so they fired the rings but didn't get to the shield worlds.


It is never said that they didn't get to the shield worlds. They truly disapeared. Most of their race was killed by the Halos but many did escape and the upcoming Forerunner books starting in January are supposed to explain what happened to the Forerunners.

  • 10.29.2010 12:43 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

:/

I miss the old days of this topic, discussion was much more intelligent and ambiguous back then.

  • 10.29.2010 6:24 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

Yes, in fact, he believed John-117 was Didact, a Forerunner leader who is mention in the Halo 3 Terminals and is said to be the one who activated the Halo rings.

  • 11.05.2010 11:05 PM PDT

Hi, first, I would like to say that Forerunners and humans aren't the same specie, as stated in the Halo 3 Terminals and on Halo 3: The Cradle of Life. It is very unlikely that Precursors were the same as Forerunners, instead it is more possible that they had a connection similar to the one between humans and Forerunners, and that the Precursors wanted the Forerunner to continue with the Mantle.

  • 11.05.2010 11:12 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

GC boochi

The Precursors populating Earth and Reach could explain why there are Moas on Reach maybe the Precursors transferred some animals from Earth to Reach and the Moas were one of the species they transferred, staying alive on Reach but dying out and becoming extinct on Earth
this might prove something im not sure i worded it right though

  • 11.07.2010 5:53 AM PDT
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It's a long shot that humans are Precursors.
There is no proof that Precursors even ever existed they're part of a foreruner religion.
Halo legends was made by 343 so it isn't offically part of the halo universe.
Humans are reclaimers because they are the only ones that were supose to reclaim foreruner tech.
Somewhere it said that foreruners pasted the mantle to humanity so humanity is a sort of heir to the foreruners.

honestly I think that this theroy is a bit shaky

  • 11.07.2010 6:19 AM PDT

This theory could also point to the theory of Halo being related to Christianity as if God=Percursors and we were made in God's image, then Humans=Descendants of Purcursors.

  • 11.11.2010 6:04 PM PDT

i really like the theory and think it is really interesting, but there is a few things, scratch that one major thing that confuses me. the precursors theory, in the cannon Halo Universe they have made no reference of precursors to my knowledge, and that is probably because I dismiss halo anime as non cannon. Also Im not sure all of the books are cannon either, given that the game reach is very different from the book. But in the end I think this theory wud be amazing as a game and probably be better than whatever 343 industries churns out, since bungie is no longer in the business of aliens fighting super humans. Because in the end you have to look at the story from a purely economic stand point, what will make microsoft the most money, this means it has to balance complexity with understanding for people that just picked up the game as their first halo game. Me as a halo fan since the CE days would find this theory amazing but probably the average halo noob would not get it.

  • 11.11.2010 7:01 PM PDT

Brilliant theory, It all fits doesn't it? I'll be checking back!

  • 11.12.2010 2:29 PM PDT

Halo legends was made by 343 so it isn't offically part of the halo universe.

Wrong. It is part of the universe. 343 is the new home of Halo, under the banner of Microsoft. Frank O'Conner, head of all things Halo, moved with Halo from Bungie to 343, and was behind the making Halo Legends. He's even written one of the stories in Halo Evolutions.

Everything 343 does is canon, because 343 is now as much of Halo as Bungie was.

  • 11.15.2010 1:42 AM PDT

"Only the Fallen are Heroes, while the ones who still stand are villains"

Wow WolverFrog i think our minds think alike on my drawing I did of a forerunner I had gotten into an argument with a user on what humans really were. Scroll down until you find my May 1st post on my 2 opinions of what humans are. My 2nd opinion is exactly what you just wrote here including the lost alien ruins on "The Babysitter" and how the asian culture found and adopted it.

HERE

[Edited on 11.15.2010 1:16 PM PST]

  • 11.15.2010 1:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
...Amazing post...


This actually makes shocking amounts of sense. I almost want to combine this theory with that of the gravemind being created by the precursors. Something to combat death, something that stores all the memories of dead precursors for categorization. Until it became sentient and used that knowledge and memories against them. Maybe this was a fallback tactic to combat the flood? Instead of giving them the secrets, memories, and knowledge to take over the universe they wiped themselves clean. Started over. They moved far enough that the flood would starve but their memories were dangerous. They needed a complete reformatting.

  • 11.15.2010 2:32 PM PDT

WolverFrog has stumbled upon awesomeness. This explains why the forerunner were able t5o be wiped out by the flood. The forerunner were unbelievably powerful yet were suddenly destroyed by something that was bigger then them?

That only makes sense if the flood came from the precursors becasue the precursers were better than the fore runner. Otherwise the almighty forerunner failed to obvserve a new species evolve that could eleminate them with ease.

Theory:
The legendary planet, (the one master cheif floatyed to at end of H3) may be precursor?

  • 11.15.2010 3:17 PM PDT

I once heard an old man say " Years ago, i sold my trumpet for something to eat, and know i know it would be better to die of hunger."

I upload a ton of Halo clips on my YouTube channel, feel free to subscribe.

So interesting, I can't wait for the new Forerunner novel coming out this month!

  • 11.15.2010 6:49 PM PDT