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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Now this thread is going to be locked like Lord Snakie's was.

  • 01.12.2011 8:38 AM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ
No they are not the precursors. Read Cryptum. it explains everything.
This thread was created a year ago to try and explain some things we had little to no insight into. Why don't you try reading the posts in the thread instead of just the title? Why don't you try and determine the context of the overall conversation (which includes the date it occurred) before jumping in? Why don't you try being an intelligent human being?

  • 01.12.2011 9:10 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Ouch. My head, literally, hurts now. I don't seem to get what you're saying. Are you saying:

In the beginning, their were the Precursors. But what were the Precursors? Humans?

Then they disappeared and humanity began? But, how does humanity begin? Out of nowhere? God created humanity, so did they create the Precursors, too? Or what?

Then the Forerunners came? They died from the Flood.

Then humanity came, again? At this point it's the humanity we know now and then know in the Halo universe.

This all seems really unclear and confusing. It seems (besides the structures in Halo Legends) that the Precursors could have just as much have been the Forerunners.

This really doesn't prove anything. No offense, intended. Just constructive critizism.

  • 01.12.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
God created humanity


Thats a Religious theory to a lot of people.

  • 01.12.2011 10:49 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

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Some quick unput: The Japanese buildings may have just been put in because Legends was a project carried out by JAPANESE companies. Maybe they just wanted to Japify it with their architecture?

  • 01.13.2011 5:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Racist.

  • 01.14.2011 5:12 AM PDT

Halo>Allothergames


Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Racist.


It wasn't meant to sound racist (if you're referencing my post), but I admit, it kinda of does...

  • 01.14.2011 1:13 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

ummm u guys know that gravemind is a flood infected precursor right?

  • 01.14.2011 4:25 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

Weapon of mass construction.

But I thought that Forerunners were giant chickens

  • 01.14.2011 4:38 PM PDT
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THE CORRUPTION IS SPREADING



My friend, you have opened my eyes and enlightened me.

however, what about the possibility that the Precursors were much like the Shan'Shyuum and the Forerunners being Sangheili, (without the war they had in the beginning) the Precursors shared their technology with the Forerunners who built, or started to build, the Rings and other Forerunner stuff, while the Precursors were busy expanding. The Forerunners betray the Precursors, the Precursors were outmatched and fled to the edges of the galaxy where they accidentally awakened a force that has been growing and evolving since the begging of everything, the Precursors fought of the Flood as long as they could and came back to the Forerunners with dire news, the Forerunners did not believe their former masters and attacked them, as they tried to fight off both of their attackers the Precursors were driven back to Earth, but not before the Forerunners activated the ring that would take out a few of the Precursors without getting their planet. The activation of the ring had damaged the flood and forced them back into hiding, waiting for their time to strike again, the Precursors were then driven back to their planet, Earth, and left to re-evolve as Humans.
(skipping details on the flood coming back and fighting the Forerunners since you [might] already know this)
The Forerunners needed a species they could trust, one who had already used their technology before, they chose the Precursors, now known as Humanity, and cataloged the species as with the others in the galaxy (Halo Legends)

That is my theory

Posted by: Wolverfrog
It's a long shot, but it's an option, one that I believe. I've probably missed out a lot, I shall scourer the terminals again and make necessary edits. Thanks for reading, please voice your opinion.


[Edited on 01.15.2011 7:45 AM PST]

  • 01.14.2011 5:23 PM PDT

Dark Neptune, a young amateur astronomer whose gaming life is no different from other teenagers of his age, though he controls it more strictly then others.

Halo: Cryptum.

  • 01.14.2011 7:57 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: Dark Neptune
Halo: Cryptum.
There are problems with it though. The terminals are the first thing wrong with the books because the time lines are conflicting with Didact. In the book, he is in the Cryptum for idk how many century's until he is awakened. On the other hand, the terminals say that the forerunners were at war with flood for about 300 years now and that would mean that Didact would be in hibernation when the war was going on. He was the one that commanded the ENTIRE Forerunner fleet!So lets review.
There's a guy named Didact. He is the leader of the Forerunner military. He activated the halo arrays and ended the forerunner flood war (so we thought). That is pretty much what is happening in the halo 3 terminals.
Now for the Cryptum. It says that he was in the Cryptum for ALL of the Forerunner Flood war, and wasn't even fighting. HE NEVER FOUGHT IN THE BOOK!

And do I have to mention that Mendicant Bias was created by Didact? By the time Didact awakened in the Cryptum, Mendicant Bias has been on a mission for 43 years! That would mean that some one else created Mendicant Bias, instead of Didact, and this would contradict what is said by the terminals. (If you want to read the terminals you can see it here).
That is why I still debate whether the books should be considered canon. The Forerunners are a delicate issue that bungie has now -blam!- up. A good example is The Fall of Reach and Halo: Reach. There are major canon issues with The Pillar of Autumn being on Reach during the battle.

[Edited on 01.17.2011 9:11 AM PST]

  • 01.17.2011 8:57 AM PDT

I think there will always be mistakes and inconsistencies in the lore. You just need to enjoy the stories on their own, and then get some satisfaction in finding out what the 'main ideas' were for the overall plot. I mean Bungie had probably already decided long ago what the precursors were, how the Flood started, what the relationship between humans and forerunners was - those are the big things you get answers to. Little details will get lost with so many different authors working on it.

Remember a few things though
- the Terminals are not infallible narratives. For a start we know that the Domain constantly makes strange changes to Forerunner historical data, and they don't undo these changes
- at the start of Cryptum it says there are many romanticized myths, and the terminals could be just that (don't the love letters between Librarian and Didact sound a bit Greek Tragedy to you?)

but also, Didact in Cryptum did create Mendicant Bias, but 9000 years or so before the start of the book. Also, Didact is back on his feet again, and the war continues. So maybe the terminals happened after the events of Cryptum.

  • 01.17.2011 9:12 AM PDT

As far as i was aware, Born becomes the didact who fights in the forerunner flood war after the events of cryptum.
The events of the book, as far as i can recall, saw the rings at the capital fire but on low, leaving the 6 good rings and the one bad ring all at the ark.

in the evnts of the next book, the rings get distributed once the flood war begins with the rest of the forerunners, as they have only faught with the humans and the san'shyuum up untill the start of the book, correct me if i am wrong?

  • 01.17.2011 9:28 AM PDT

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This a very good theory

  • 01.17.2011 3:27 PM PDT
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This Theory is proven wrong by Halo:Cryptun

  • 01.17.2011 4:00 PM PDT
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idk if u know but there is a new halo book out about the forerunners it might prove what ur theory i do agree with u about the babysitter episode and ur theory hope this helps u

  • 01.18.2011 6:55 PM PDT

Ok i understand this is a pretty old topic but it seems theres still some confusion so alright(SPOILER ALERT!!!) if u plan on reading halo cryptum DO NOT read this!!!!

ima try to sum up the whole precursor forerunner thing goin on here from the book cryptum.

In the book theres this ancient captive that the didact talks to. in the end of the book you find out that hes the last precursor(SPOILER ALERT!!!) this is what he says to the didact

"we meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago.
I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed.
I am the last precursor.
And our answer is at hand"

it seems very unlikely that the masters of the universe were ruthlessly destroyed by a race they created but hey. I guess thats what happened haha. cant wait for the next book. sounds like this precursors gonna kick some ass!

Back to the forerunners being humans and humans being precursors debate.

The forerunners and the humans lived together in the same time era. Both were basically matched in technological advancements. Humans slightly less.

The forerunners first found the humans trying to repopulate worlds in the forerunners galaxy. the humans claimed to be trying to run and reclaim worlds lost to this biological tragedy they created which they called the flood.(yea humans created the flood? who wouldve known right) Forerunners didnt believe them so they started war with the humans.

Quick side note why are some people who supposedly read the book still sayin precursers made the flood? The book states that humans created them by injecting pherus(animals humans used as pets) with some dust. Over years they had no idea that the pherus were actually being genetically mutated into the flood until it pherus started infecting people.


alright back to what i was sayin so now humans are in the middle of this war. tryin to contain the flood and also trying to fight off the forerunners. i think you can guess what happened next. the forerunners defeat them and "devolve them".

Ima stop here cuz im gettin tired of typin all this. You should get the jist of it all. here are some descriptions


Humans=just humans haha

Forerunners are purple beings much like humans except for a few details. Theyre purple skinned with white hair and big (the didact is 6 meters tall). But the thing about the forerunners is they mutate to different classes of forerunners. Warrior servants being exceptionally bigger and brawnier and builder class forerunners being more "normal" i guess u can say

Precursor: the precursor prisoner in the book is described as such, verbatim , from the book

"the cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human, though possessed of four upper limbs,two degenerate legs, and an almost indescribably ugly head-a head shaped remarkably like that of an ancient anthropod seeded long ago on a number of planet....Oval, faceted, slanted eyes bumped up from the front of its low, flat "face". And from the rear of the head, a long segmented tail descended the spine, ending in a wicked barb two meters in length."

Alright haha thats my take on this whole topic.








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  • 01.21.2011 2:58 PM PDT

I was reading a little bit of Halo Cryptum at Barnes and Noble today. Gotta say it's pretty friggin' awesome. I want to buy it now, and I can't wait for the others. We'll see if any of this stuff shows up in the next Bungie game even if they said they're not making anymore Halo games....

  • 01.21.2011 3:58 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]

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Great theroy, you made a believer out of me.

  • 01.21.2011 5:08 PM PDT
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Iam enjoying Halo Reach and revisiting some past Bungie games, iam a big fan of Bungie and their online community.

A well researched theory.

  • 01.22.2011 9:43 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

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http://www.halopedian.com/Human-Forerunner_War

http://www.halopedian.com/Precursor

  • 01.22.2011 9:56 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]
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Proof!

Part 1 of the Forerunner Trilogy opens with a Forerunner-Human war... or something. Humans were once advanced and powerful... but lost the war, and were devolved. This actually led to the the discovery of the Flood, during one of the final battles


Well, that is how I interpret the reviews and such... Have yet to read the book.

  • 01.22.2011 11:23 PM PDT

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Its an interesting theory. I find its the most backed up and rawly interesting.

  • 01.23.2011 12:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dark Neptune
Halo: Cryptum.
There are problems with it though. The terminals are the first thing wrong with the books because the time lines are conflicting with Didact. In the book, he is in the Cryptum for idk how many century's until he is awakened. On the other hand, the terminals say that the forerunners were at war with flood for about 300 years now and that would mean that Didact would be in hibernation when the war was going on. He was the one that commanded the ENTIRE Forerunner fleet!So lets review.
There's a guy named Didact. He is the leader of the Forerunner military. He activated the halo arrays and ended the forerunner flood war (so we thought). That is pretty much what is happening in the halo 3 terminals.
Now for the Cryptum. It says that he was in the Cryptum for ALL of the Forerunner Flood war, and wasn't even fighting. HE NEVER FOUGHT IN THE BOOK!

And do I have to mention that Mendicant Bias was created by Didact? By the time Didact awakened in the Cryptum, Mendicant Bias has been on a mission for 43 years! That would mean that some one else created Mendicant Bias, instead of Didact, and this would contradict what is said by the terminals. (If you want to read the terminals you can see it here).
That is why I still debate whether the books should be considered canon. The Forerunners are a delicate issue that bungie has now -blam!- up. A good example is The Fall of Reach and Halo: Reach. There are major canon issues with The Pillar of Autumn being on Reach during the battle.


Have you actually read Cryptum? It clearly states that Didact is in the cryptum for the first 300 years of the flood war and that he built mendicant bias before he entered the cryptum, as the forerunners were preparing in the aftermath of the human-forerunner war for the flood, as they were well aware that it would return.

  • 01.23.2011 5:30 AM PDT