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You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them.

OR, Maybe, the Precursors where a little like the Covenant and they where passing trough the Galaxy called the Milky Way, and if you give it a possibility, they tougth the Forerunners ''a little'' and left. Besides, WHO knows how many galaxies the Precursors might have.

Anotehr thing that is bothering me is that the Precursors where bad enough that they are still alive, that they brought the Flood to the Forerunners to handle and watch how they had to activate the halo rings and ultimatly DIE. there is a chance, but I think the Precursors are ''good peop;le'' and they won't do that, and that they are still alive in some other galaxies, and are afraid to ''GO'' back to The Milky Way.

HaHa. Well, there are a trillion possible theories, but, only one or two are correct.


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Back on topic.

Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity.

Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.

  • 08.30.2009 11:01 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead.

"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

"Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it flows. An appropriate metaphor.

Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time,"

We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2.
The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume.

And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

This must relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.

  • 08.30.2009 11:08 AM PDT

I just wish Bungie had made all this sub story more obvious rather than making it so obscure. It would make the game so much more epic

  • 08.30.2009 11:08 AM PDT
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Oh, My, God. you-are-amazing.LoL.

If the -blam!- Precursors are Tier 0 or -0, then there is no WAY their Super Advance Reactors could have A single flaw. And besides, they could had called for help, and they could have fixed their Reactors, because they DO-NOT-USE fuel. They use -blam!- atoms to power their reactors, so they could had USE atoms from a near star and left with or without visiting Earth, Do you now understand.



Posted by: ajw34307
Back on topic.

Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity.

Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote]

They may have been "born" in the Milky Way however they may have ran out of a fuel source in the Galaxy and went to another one in which the Flood was created, and they knew Earth had all of the ingredients needed for life to excel and eventually grow into a civilization beyond even there own, so they retreated and de-evolved.

About your other point, it is possible that when the Forerunner were late tier 4 or early tier 3 they discovered a relic of the Precursors twoards the edge of the Universe and they based their tech off of theirs and it greatly increased there technological ability from what they were to early tier 1 or late tier 2.

  • 08.30.2009 11:08 AM PDT

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You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them.

OR, Maybe, the Precursors where a little like the Covenant and they where passing trough the Galaxy called the Milky Way, and if you give it a possibility, they tougth the Forerunners ''a little'' and left. Besides, WHO knows how many galaxies the Precursors might have.

Anotehr thing that is bothering me is that the Precursors where bad enough that they are still alive, that they brought the Flood to the Forerunners to handle and watch how they had to activate the halo rings and ultimatly DIE. there is a chance, but I think the Precursors are ''good peop;le'' and they won't do that, and that they are still alive in some other galaxies, and are afraid to ''GO'' back to The Milky Way.

HaHa. Well, there are a trillion possible theories, but, only one or two are correct.


Posted by: ajw34307
Back on topic.

Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity.

Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.


You clearly don't understand much. The Forerunners never created the Flood. They discovered them on the planet G617g by the Primary Pioneer Group.

And I doubt the Precursors were bad, the Flood could have been passed off as a "failed experiment".

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Listen you -blam!-, I understand more than your ass can read, don't put words I havent said. And I never fuqking said that the Forerunners CREATED THE FLOOD, I just gave my damn opinion Dumb ass. Im reporting this thread. I don't care much about your cuntie brains.

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You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them.

OR, Maybe, the Precursors where a little like the Covenant and they where passing trough the Galaxy called the Milky Way, and if you give it a possibility, they tougth the Forerunners ''a little'' and left. Besides, WHO knows how many galaxies the Precursors might have.

Anotehr thing that is bothering me is that the Precursors where bad enough that they are still alive, that they brought the Flood to the Forerunners to handle and watch how they had to activate the halo rings and ultimatly DIE. there is a chance, but I think the Precursors are ''good peop;le'' and they won't do that, and that they are still alive in some other galaxies, and are afraid to ''GO'' back to The Milky Way.

HaHa. Well, there are a trillion possible theories, but, only one or two are correct.


Posted by: ajw34307
Back on topic.

Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity.

Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.


You clearly don't understand much. The Forerunners never created the Flood. They discovered them on the planet G617g by the Primary Pioneer Group.

And I doubt the Precursors were bad, the Flood could have been passed off as a "failed experiment".



Did you really read my post, because I never said that the FORERUNNERS created the Flood.

  • 08.30.2009 11:20 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

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You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them.


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Listen you -blam!-, I understand more than your ass can read, don't put words I havent said. And I never fuqking said that the Forerunners CREATED THE FLOOD, I just gave my damn opinion Dumb ass. Im reporting this thread. I don't care much about your cuntie brains.

And the brain of the 8-year old snaps...


[Edited on 08.30.2009 11:23 AM PDT]

  • 08.30.2009 11:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead.

"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

"Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it flows. An appropriate metaphor.

Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time,"

We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2.
The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume.

And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

This must relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.


Dude, thats damn amazing.

"to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose".

I take that like this.

His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others.

This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die.

  • 08.30.2009 11:23 AM PDT
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Listen you -blam!-, I understand more than your ass can read, don't put words I havent said. And I never fuqking said that the Forerunners CREATED THE FLOOD, I just gave my damn opinion Dumb ass. Im reporting this thread. I don't care much about your cuntie brains.



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WTF are you smoking?

  • 08.30.2009 11:25 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead.

"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

"Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it flows. An appropriate metaphor.

Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time,"

We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2.
The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume.

And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

This must relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.


Dude, thats damn amazing.

"to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose".

I take that like this.

His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others.

This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die.


That's a great point relating to Greek Mythology.

The meta-game achievement for Cortana is called "Orpheus". Orpheus was the hero who delved into the Underworld to save his wife from Hades, he almost escaped but failed.
This is very similar to Halo 3's mission Cortana, you delve into High Charity, a place of the dead like the Underworld but the difference is that you survive.

  • 08.30.2009 11:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead.

"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

"Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it flows. An appropriate metaphor.

Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time,"

We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2.
The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume.

And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

This must relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.


Dude, thats damn amazing.

"to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose".

I take that like this.

His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others.

This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die.


That's a great point relating to Greek Mythology.

The meta-game achievement for Cortana is called "Orpheus". Orpheus was the hero who delved into the Underworld to save his wife from Hades, he almost escaped but failed.
This is very similar to Halo 3's mission Cortana, you delve into High Charity, a place of the dead like the Underworld but the difference is that you survive.


With Hurcules, He is cursed by Hera to have much pain. She forces him to kill his family but he cant end his own pain because he cannot die. The fates say he will become a god so they protect him from death.

  • 08.30.2009 11:33 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead.

"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

"Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it flows. An appropriate metaphor.

Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time,"

We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2.
The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume.

And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."

This must relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.


Dude, thats damn amazing.

"to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose".

I take that like this.

His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others.

This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die.


That's a great point relating to Greek Mythology.

The meta-game achievement for Cortana is called "Orpheus". Orpheus was the hero who delved into the Underworld to save his wife from Hades, he almost escaped but failed.
This is very similar to Halo 3's mission Cortana, you delve into High Charity, a place of the dead like the Underworld but the difference is that you survive.


With Hurcules, He is cursed by Hera to have much pain. She forces him to kill his family but he cant end his own pain because he cannot die. The fates say he will become a god so they protect him from death.


Yeah. And with Achilles, he bathed in the River Styx whilst his mother held him by his heel. Hence his weak spot where he was killed. From what I heard, he is stuck in Asphodel.

Anyways, we should return to the matter of hand. And you may consider the friend request I am going to send you.

[Edited on 08.30.2009 11:38 AM PDT]

  • 08.30.2009 11:37 AM PDT

Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.

  • 08.30.2009 11:38 AM PDT

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Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.


Percy Jackson FTW.

But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.

  • 08.30.2009 11:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.


Percy Jackson FTW.

But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.


True, true.

  • 08.30.2009 11:39 AM PDT

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I'd say you should put this on CI but it's hardly active anymore...

  • 08.30.2009 11:45 AM PDT
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Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.


Percy Jackson FTW.

But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.


True, true.


Ik, I read all of those books. There where only a few parts that where kind of off. And yes I will accept your request next time I get online.

Arn't you happy how much descussion this created Wolverfrog? Hopefully this thread knocks out Arete Seven= Bungies real name?

  • 08.30.2009 11:45 AM PDT
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I'd say you should put this on CI but it's hardly active anymore...


IK, its got 3000 members but no one post anything. Kind of a shame really.

  • 08.30.2009 11:46 AM PDT

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Yeah. It goes to show how not many people actually think about the story anymore... Or it could be TBJB dismissing each and every theory there.

  • 08.30.2009 11:49 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?
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This is an interesting theory.

  • 08.30.2009 11:51 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]

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This is an interesting theory.


Ah, the man of few words. indeed.

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I'd like to direct you all to the Greek Myhtology references in halo. Quite a list...

[Edited on 08.30.2009 11:57 AM PDT]

  • 08.30.2009 11:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Agustus
Arn't you happy how much descussion this created Wolverfrog? Hopefully this thread knocks out Arete Seven= Bungies real name?


It won't, the hot topics list relies on saved threads, not posts. I'm content with my hot topics in the Gallery forum for now, although one in the Universe would be nice.

Hot topics list thread =/= Bungie.net Oscar

  • 08.30.2009 12:06 PM PDT

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I saved this thread :D

  • 08.30.2009 12:08 PM PDT

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Really nice theory. I personally don't think its true, but it would be awesome if proven true.

  • 08.30.2009 12:16 PM PDT