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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]

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Posted by: flamedude
Really nice theory. I personally don't think its true, but it would be awesome if proven true.


Do you have a theory on this? I'm not shooting you down, just wondering. I like hearing different but sensible theories.

  • 08.30.2009 12:18 PM PDT

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Well the first one would be..... Forerunners would probably recognise Precursors if they encountered them. We also don't know what constitutes a Precursor or even a Forerunner, we just don't know enough, they could be individual species like Humans or could be a group of advanced races like the Covenant. And as far as we've seen there are no Precursor artifacts on Earth, so far anyway.

  • 08.30.2009 12:34 PM PDT

Posted by: flamedude
Well the first one would be..... Forerunners would probably recognise Precursors if they encountered them. We also don't know what constitutes a Precursor or even a Forerunner, we just don't know enough, they could be individual species like Humans or could be a group of advanced races like the Covenant. And as far as we've seen there are no Precursor artifacts on Earth, so far anyway.


Well there would be Precursor artifacts on Earth, but we'd think them to be human artifacts. And the whole point of this theory is that the Forerunners did recognise the humans to be Precursors, hence their importance. As for the idea that they could be a group of conjoined races, I'm not sure about that.

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I just realized something, we don't know how old the Precursor are, so is it possible that they created every species we know now, or planned them to evolve into what we know now?

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I'm reading the Precursor page on Halopedia right now and it says the Precursors may have viewed the Forerunners as there own legacy, so this puts a hole in your theory, but I'm sure we can explain it...I will try right now.

This could mean that they handed the Mantle down to the Forerunners, probaly a species they viewed with loads of technical potential, to protect Humanity, there true legacy, and if the Forerunners truly did know about the Precursors and had legends and stuff about them they would have done that in a heartbeat, this could be why they deemed humanity as special, becuase the Precursors asked them to.

I'm running out of creative juice in my head so I better stop.

  • 08.30.2009 1:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Gdude
I'm reading the Precursor page on Halopedia right now and it says the Precursors may have viewed the Forerunners as there own legacy, so this puts a hole in your theory, but I'm sure we can explain it...I will try right now.


I'll explain it: Halopedia speculates. Too much. It's never been said that the Precursors view the Forerunners as their legacy, Halopedia just assumes so.

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Posted by: Gdude
I'm reading the Precursor page on Halopedia right now and it says the Precursors may have viewed the Forerunners as there own legacy, so this puts a hole in your theory, but I'm sure we can explain it...I will try right now.


I'll explain it: Halopedia speculates. Too much. It's never been said that the Precursors view the Forerunners as their legacy, Halopedia just assumes so.


Well if they did indeed pass the Mantle down to the Forerunners, then it is possible that they did view them with some sort of high regard

  • 08.30.2009 2:03 PM PDT

I said in the original post that the Precursors passed the mantle down before becoming humanity, and then as the Forerunners were about to perish, they handed it back.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I said in the original post that the Precursors passed the mantle down before becoming humanity, and then as the Forerunners were about to perish, they handed it back.


Sorry for wasting your time with the previous post, I'm not thinking right for some reason, it seems my minds just like a blank landscape.

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Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery.

  • 08.30.2009 2:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Agustus
Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery.


Go ahead, make a fan fiction set after Halo 3. What you're suggesting isn't really a theory as such XD

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Posted by: Agustus
Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery.


Go ahead, make a fan fiction set after Halo 3. What you're suggesting isn't really a theory as such XD


Make a fan fic where Master Chief rides a horsey, my life shall then be complete.

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Posted by: Agustus
Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery.


Go ahead, make a fan fiction set after Halo 3. What you're suggesting isn't really a theory as such XD


Make a fan fic where Master Chief rides a horsey, my life shall then be complete.


Yeah im getting ahead of myself.


o and BLASPHEMY!!!!

Making that story line into a fan fic wouldn't do it justice. It deserves BETTER!

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That against the rules I believe. And completely unnecessary as well as off topic.

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I doubt bungie has even decided how to link all this together.I think they purposely leave it all blank so they can leave theories like this or come back and use one of these theories later saying they planned it.


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Maybe the Precursors made many species, each one being more and more perfect and the Flood was the first, seeing as how they are not intelligent enough to break out of Tier 7 in 100,000 or more years it would seem they are a failed experiment, possibly to be unleashed against the Precursors enemies.

  • 08.30.2009 7:03 PM PDT

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Could be anything but, Wolverfrog, go into a little more depth about the whole Mantle business. It's a little confusing in your eyes.

A Mantle is when you pass down your job or something along those lines, so the Precursors would have been guardians of life in the galaxy. They passed it down, presumably to the Forerunners as the Didact speculates. He believes in the Mantle but others (like the Librarian) does not.

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  • 08.31.2009 3:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
Well the first one would be..... Forerunners would probably recognise Precursors if they encountered them. We also don't know what constitutes a Precursor or even a Forerunner, we just don't know enough, they could be individual species like Humans or could be a group of advanced races like the Covenant. And as far as we've seen there are no Precursor artifacts on Earth, so far anyway.


Well there would be Precursor artifacts on Earth, but we'd think them to be human artifacts. And the whole point of this theory is that the Forerunners did recognise the humans to be Precursors, hence their importance. As for the idea that they could be a group of conjoined races, I'm not sure about that.


Saying that the Forerunners did recognise the humans to be Precursors is a big leap based on one line of text. The fact is they never once called humans Precursors (Sentinels or Forerunner AIs), they called them Reclaimers. 343 Guilty Spark, 2401 Penitent Tangent, Mendicant Bias all call the Master Chief "Reclaimer". I simply think the Forerunner saw great potential in the Human species and that because they were "beyond the line" would be safe from the Halo effect and so the Librarian embued Humans with Forerunner DNA hence the Spartan-Forerunner link to allow them to become the Forerunners Reclaimers. I personally believe that not every human is a Forerunner as suggested by Halsey's strict genetic profiling, the Spartans bizarre intuition with Covenant technology and the Onyx sentinels encounter with the S-IIIs.

If Forerunners are the successor to the Precursors and Humans are the successors to Forerunner then in a hereditary fashion humans could be viewed as Precursor, but thats as much as I'd ever say could be considered.

But as with almost every single major aspect of Halo we just don't know enough about Precursor, Forerunner or Reclaimer. We just have snippets of information.

[Edited on 08.31.2009 3:04 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2009 2:38 PM PDT

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And that's how it will continue to be for a pretty long time. Snippets of information can go a long way.

  • 09.01.2009 3:26 AM PDT

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Wow, a theory which seems very plausible to me. Well done.

  • 09.01.2009 5:32 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

I believe that Earth is a Precursor world, perhaps their home world. At the very height of their power, the precursors were the dominant force throughout the universe. However, due to unknown reasons, they vanished, passing down a mantle to their chosen race to continue their legacy: the Forerunners.
That makes sense, because in halo 2 where was the key found to activate the halo ring?

  • 09.01.2009 11:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: XtremeSpartan1
I believe that Earth is a Precursor world, perhaps their home world. At the very height of their power, the precursors were the dominant force throughout the universe. However, due to unknown reasons, they vanished, passing down a mantle to their chosen race to continue their legacy: the Forerunners.
That makes sense, because in halo 2 where was the key found to activate the halo ring?


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  • 09.02.2009 1:32 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]
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I made a -blam!- thread about this but noone was able to come and reply, only because Wolverfrog makes it you haveto go right into it, but whatever.

343Guiltysparks had only 45% of processing power that Cortana has, and Sparks was only specifically built for the maintenance of one of the many halo rings there are. so he was not Rampant until the End. surely the Foreruners where not stupid enough that when they built AIs they would not turn Rampant unless they where tampered with.

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