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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 1.1]

Posted by: Trancient Ghost
I made a -blam!- thread about this but noone was able to come and reply, only because Wolverfrog makes it you haveto go right into it, but whatever.


What.

I'm not even that well known in the Universe to be honest, maybe the replied because they thought it was a nice theory.

  • 09.02.2009 2:27 PM PDT
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Are you ever, will you please reply to my mast post.

PS, my secret, This trancient ghost account is been used by 5 people, but whatever, just rply to the post.

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Yeah, just Reply to the las post/question.

  • 09.02.2009 2:32 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Trancient Ghost
Yeah, just Reply to the las post/question.


Yeah. STAY ON TOPIC.

  • 09.02.2009 2:40 PM PDT

Spark had been alone for over 100,000 years, some of which were rather boring, he says. He was actually happy that the Flood had broken out, to give him something to do.

He was rampant, it occurred naturally. Self aware entities don't fare well when left alone for so long, AIs can go senile too.

  • 09.02.2009 2:41 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Spark had been alone for over 100,000 years, some of which were rather boring, he says. He was actually happy that the Flood had broken out, to give him something to do.

He was rampant, it occurred naturally. Self aware entities don't fare well when left alone for so long, AIs can go senile too.


Lol.

Also, his function is to protect his Installation. The Big 3 (Johnson, Chief & Arbiter) posed a threat to destroy the Installation and even the Ark.

  • 09.02.2009 2:55 PM PDT

Which is why Spark superdeathed Johnson...

  • 09.02.2009 2:58 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Which is why Spark superdeathed Johnson...


Lmao.

"You must win this fight on your own... Abandonment will lead to a fate worse than death... Superdeath!" ~ Prophet of Truth

  • 09.02.2009 2:59 PM PDT

"Peace, gentlemen...
Peace is the ultimate goal of the Traxus Project.
Peace not in our time but in the future.
Future generations will benefit from the work begun here today.
Gentlemen, I give you the Traxus Project"

Breaking the rules of...well..probably everything....
I'm certain I said this somewhere in an e-mail to someone over at HBO wayyyy.....back when..
Or at least something very like it. And I'd be lying if I said I didn't note a twinge of envy at the discovery of this topic...
Anyway..without flipping through all the other tons of posts I would congratulate the original on actually gaining notice with such a theory...

And before I go...Just..something to add to it of my own version(delusion?)...Something to potentially make the proposed theory all the more profound.

*whispers(for dramatic effect)*

"Marathon"

I know...I know....despite allllll of Bungie's miscellaneous actual and implied statements of Marathon and Halo -not- being connected...I'd ask others to just -imagine- for a while.
With the O.P.'s submitted theory at the core..consider the end of Marathon Infinity..after the dream had finally been realized and chaos brought to order, what reality was really awakened to? And how much witnessed previously in that series was merely a "dream on a sleeper's eye"?
And furthermore...supposing at the end of Infinity, that series' "reality" is indeed just that ...Just where do Humanity, -&- the S'pht, -&- Durandal, -&- Leela, -&- the Pfhor, -&- your very character go from there? And what really happened to the Jjaro I wonder(perhaps I have merely forgotten)? If you're still following me at this point it might also behoove you to also remember that "The Jjaro were on Earth." (and don't get me started on the Vylae and the Nar)
I'm sorry if I seem delusional here..but that's just too many open ends to ignore to one with an active imagination. And when I put some of those open ends together with this very theory..well...the "impossible" just might almost seem plausible.

Idk..maybe I'm to be silenced in some way for propogating such a rumor. But at this line of thinking, I just can't help but remember Marathon Infiniti's final screen. Maybe...its story being a creation of the long-departed Double Aught renders all this completely irrelevant.
I imagine I'm soon to be corrected if wrong.


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  • 09.02.2009 5:08 PM PDT

Smerious!

And how would this happen when the forerunners wiped themselves out with the halo array and only those on the ark could survive.

But I have theory of my own....... As you know the precursors just disapeared from exsistence then the forerunners showed up. In most theories the precursors were to die with the creation of the flood... but since their technology surpased that of even the forerunners they could have possibly escaped the universe before destroying there own. Then they could have returned when the universe was an chaos and give life back to it.

  • 09.02.2009 5:42 PM PDT

"Peace, gentlemen...
Peace is the ultimate goal of the Traxus Project.
Peace not in our time but in the future.
Future generations will benefit from the work begun here today.
Gentlemen, I give you the Traxus Project"

Posted by: The7thEra
And how would this happen when the forerunners wiped themselves out with the halo array and only those on the ark could survive.


I'm sorry...but I'm not sure who you are responding to..

That's something I admittedly still have some question about though.....
And maybe I've just not read far enough over at Ascendant Justice..
..but why is it so necessary that all of the Forerunner and any other advanced sentience(the Flood included) disappeared entirely from existence? They built the Ark far enough out of the radius of the rings....why couldn't they have taken a few of their remaining vessels and just left(the galaxy and the Ark) at the time of the activation? Again..maybe it's just me being..well wrong..but after constructing out that far...it would seem a simple matter of moving out of the way.

[Edited on 09.02.2009 6:06 PM PDT]

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Posted by: flamedude
I personally believe that not every human is a Forerunner as suggested by Halsey's strict genetic profiling, the Spartans bizarre intuition with Covenant technology and the Onyx sentinels encounter with the S-IIIs.


When i read that i couldnt help but think, "maybe theres a reason the Combat Suits only work with the Spartans, and not regular marines." Now, i know your going to tell me "But Dr. Halsey said that it was because the Spartans had a reaction time greater than that of any human". Albeit this is true one could speculate that the Combat Suits were inadvertently created so only a specific gene pool could access it.

Possibly a gene pool with some forerunner DNA infusement?

But as with almost every single major aspect of Halo we just don't know enough about Precursor, Forerunner or Reclaimer. We just have snippets of information.
Unfortunately this is the only truth we can really appreciate...

  • 09.02.2009 8:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Crimius
I can definitely see the validity this theory holds, however i have reservations about saying that the precursors "devolved" into humanity. such advanced races don't simply fade out, there's some sort of event that either kills them or forces them to leave. In the Precursors case, it might have been a flood outbreak, they might have simply moved into a different dimension (because from what little we know of them, they were even more advanced at traversing the dimensions than the forerunners were, so this may have been a trivial matter). I highly doubt they all just devolved into humanity though.

I dont know whether this is already in here but mabye the precursors 'desentientized' themselves to protect themselves from the flood.

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  • 09.09.2009 2:19 AM PDT

Updated the original post slightly.

  • 09.18.2009 2:50 PM PDT

A soldiers sacrifice is never forgotten

here i am, going through the forums looking at theory threads and thinking, wow, i really know all of this stuff i've heard it all. then i see this. i decided to take a look, well what happend to me was similar to humpty dumpty except my head exploded. your theory is unbelieveable. It's like its been right in front of us just screaming at us for years but we never caught on. but then comes wolven and makes this thread. I have to say, i'm a VERY hard person on convince, i have my own theories and i stick to them. always have. but your post singlehandedly made me change all of them in but a few paragraphs.

I totally agree with your ideas and theories, but i think theres more to it, more having to do with the forunners. i'm going to gather my old group together and anylize this to death. once again, this is an amazing post wolven. you sir, are awesome.

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Oorah

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Posted by: flamedude
I personally believe that not every human is a Forerunner as suggested by Halsey's strict genetic profiling, the Spartans bizarre intuition with Covenant technology and the Onyx sentinels encounter with the S-IIIs.


When i read that i couldnt help but think, "maybe theres a reason the Combat Suits only work with the Spartans, and not regular marines." Now, i know your going to tell me "But Dr. Halsey said that it was because the Spartans had a reaction time greater than that of any human". Albeit this is true one could speculate that the Combat Suits were inadvertently created so only a specific gene pool could access it.

Possibly a gene pool with some forerunner DNA infusement?

But as with almost every single major aspect of Halo we just don't know enough about Precursor, Forerunner or Reclaimer. We just have snippets of information.
Unfortunately this is the only truth we can really appreciate...


No, actually the reason the combat suits only work with spartans is because the spartans were genetically modified when they were 14 and have bones and mucsles that are much more dense. this is mentioned in the book "the fall of Reach". and a regular marine did test the suit but when he moved his right arm, it moved so quickly that the bone shattered and he was killed in his own spasms of pain. every bone in his body having been pulverized.

  • 09.18.2009 4:25 PM PDT

Posted by: joey1859
here i am, going through the forums looking at theory threads and thinking, wow, i really know all of this stuff i've heard it all. then i see this. i decided to take a look, well what happend to me was similar to humpty dumpty except my head exploded. your theory is unbelieveable. It's like its been right in front of us just screaming at us for years but we never caught on. but then comes wolven and makes this thread. I have to say, i'm a VERY hard person on convince, i have my own theories and i stick to them. always have. but your post singlehandedly made me change all of them in but a few paragraphs.

I totally agree with your ideas and theories, but i think theres more to it, more having to do with the forunners. i'm going to gather my old group together and anylize this to death. once again, this is an amazing post wolven. you sir, are awesome.


Why thank you. I'm happy to see my ramblings are not crazy ramblings XD

  • 09.19.2009 4:30 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

"Eyes from Death's dream kingdom appear as sunlight on a broken column. There, in Death's other kingdom, walking alone, trembling lips form prayers to broken stone."

I think that the Flood are actually Precursors. The Flood, or at least the Gravemind, seems to be EXTREMELY intellegent, almost omniscient. Also, the Flood are extra galactic in origin. And the Precursors had the ability to create galaxies and accelerate evolution of life. If the Flood knew how to do this, it would be of great benefit to them as they could turn bacteria into sentient being which they could eat, which would give them a constant, steady supply of food. Also, remember what the Gravemind said? "Do I take life or GIVE IT!"

  • 09.19.2009 5:14 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [NEW Update 1.2]
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Maybe spark wasn't rampant. bear in mind that there are theories flying around about Chief and time travel. after H3 legendary ending, he gets chucked back in time, fights some more flood, then activates the rings for the first time.


^made up off the top of my head^


BS!

I was one of the first to come up with that I believe.


Find your post and we will compare post dates ;) Mine is dated 10/27/07. Though well thought out, it was one of my first actual theories where as most times I was satisfied in reading and replying to others such as Eagle.

Posted by: mr 3l1te
I think that the Flood are actually Precursors. The Flood, or at least the Gravemind, seems to be EXTREMELY intellegent, almost omniscient. Also, the Flood are extra galactic in origin. And the Precursors had the ability to create galaxies and accelerate evolution of life. If the Flood knew how to do this, it would be of great benefit to them as they could turn bacteria into sentient being which they could eat, which would give them a constant, steady supply of food. Also, remember what the Gravemind said? "Do I take life or GIVE IT!"


I can't say that I agree with the Flood being the Precursors. Also, where is the referance that they can create "galaxies"? Not doubting your information, but I don't recall where this would have been mentioned or implied. As for taking of life, I believe you are looking too much into his words here. As a flood lifeform, you would last for hundreds of years instead of the typical 70 or so (possibly more due to the date being 2552 and not 2009). So in a sense, he does give life rather than take it and I would assume that he is refering to this gift of "eternal" life as compared to a normal human life span. Also, who knows if he doesn't gain the memories of those whom he devours. Perhaps with you body still alive and your memories forever preserved inside of his mind as a part of his own being, you do actually live forever (or however long Gravemind can maintain himself).

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Posted by: Agustus
Posted by: Telec
Maybe spark wasn't rampant. bear in mind that there are theories flying around about Chief and time travel. after H3 legendary ending, he gets chucked back in time, fights some more flood, then activates the rings for the first time.


^made up off the top of my head^


BS!

I was one of the first to come up with that I believe.


Find your post and we will compare post dates ;) Mine is dated 10/27/07. Though well thought out, it was one of my first actual theories where as most times I was satisfied in reading and replying to others such as Eagle.

Posted by: mr 3l1te
I think that the Flood are actually Precursors. The Flood, or at least the Gravemind, seems to be EXTREMELY intellegent, almost omniscient. Also, the Flood are extra galactic in origin. And the Precursors had the ability to create galaxies and accelerate evolution of life. If the Flood knew how to do this, it would be of great benefit to them as they could turn bacteria into sentient being which they could eat, which would give them a constant, steady supply of food. Also, remember what the Gravemind said? "Do I take life or GIVE IT!"


I can't say that I agree with the Flood being the Precursors. Also, where is the referance that they can create "galaxies"? Not doubting your information, but I don't recall where this would have been mentioned or implied. As for taking of life, I believe you are looking too much into his words here. As a flood lifeform, you would last for hundreds of years instead of the typical 70 or so (possibly more due to the date being 2552 and not 2009). So in a sense, he does give life rather than take it and I would assume that he is refering to this gift of "eternal" life as compared to a normal human life span. Also, who knows if he doesn't gain the memories of those whom he devours. Perhaps with you body still alive and your memories forever preserved inside of his mind as a part of his own being, you do actually live forever (or however long Gravemind can maintain himself).



My original time travel theory was probably lost in HaloWars.com. I became inactive and my account was deleted. But I have replaced that theory with my "Halo 4 in plain sight" one, favoring it in the shear supportive evidence it contains.

And I have long thought that the flood really does believe it is giving life. But what is life? Being "alive" and life are two different things to me. A frog and a Human are both alive, but a human is actually sentient. What makes a human human? His independent thought, his emotions and feelings. You may live forever inside the flood but in return you are striped of every thing that makes you human. Once infected you lose all thought, all feelings, in essence, your soul. It is a fate worse than death. You lose your identity.

  • 09.25.2009 12:26 PM PDT

This is a really well written theory. I enjoyed reading it. It held my intrest because I have had this same thought once before. I never followed it up as thoroughly as you have, but our mindsets where the same. I believe it to be a highly probable theory. I saved this. I will input more when I find things myself!

  • 09.25.2009 2:05 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

the brutes weren't "brought down" to the stone age, they reverted back to the industrial age.

  • 09.25.2009 3:25 PM PDT

Posted by: sMile FAse
the brutes weren't "brought down" to the stone age, they reverted back to the industrial age.


I said Industrial age...

And something worse happened to the Precursors than the Brutes.

  • 09.25.2009 3:31 PM PDT

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What happened to the Precursors?

  • 09.25.2009 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude
What happened to the Precursors?


Probably consumed by the flood. And This theory works nicely with mine. It can also explain "Reclaimer" in a way much more meaningful than just to reclaim what was the Forerunners.(See "Halo 4, in plain sight. V 1.1 REVISED!)

  • 09.25.2009 3:42 PM PDT