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Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

Ascend to what, though? I don't think the series actually wants to be spiritual and talk about divine powers and realms as if they exist. Halo seems to try to do the exact opposite of that, in fact.

  • 12.24.2010 8:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
I don't think the series actually wants to be spiritual and talk about divine powers and realms as if they exist. Halo seems to try to do the exact opposite of that, in fact.


it is all symbolic, like how the Thel's persecution and reinstatement as a hero for the Covenant as "Arbiter" is like Christ's crucifixion and rebirth a few days later (and Thel's persecution looked almost exactley like the Crucifixion, in the way he was strung up by the wrists in the shape of a cross.)

How the Ark was where all beings in the galaxy for Halo and the earth for the Bible both were the only way to survive an all consuming Flood.

don't know if you've ever seen thispage, but its got a whole list of how biblical Halo really is.

So it would actually seem it IS trying to instill at least some sort of religious-spiritual mindset. Is the entire premise for all of the major conflicts in Halo not based on the religious, spiritual, and faiths of civilizations?

The Covenant's searching for spiritual answers through the Great Journey

The Forerunners unwavering and blind worship of the Precursors and the Mantle of Life (and how that was there down fall)

All of Humanity's faith poured into a small group of near mythical super-soldiers

Halo is grounded very much in spirituality, but the thing is its not very obvious; its all hidden in obscure symbolism, but its there.

What we've seen, and how it can arguably be considered to be the opposite of spirituality, is a "realistic" view. Other stories take things too literally; thats why I like Halo so much.

Halo isn't filled with Chariots in the Sky, or Lightning Bolts from Heaven; it is based more in our small, insignificant interpretation of things far-- far --greater then us, things we can't comprehend.

So of course it'll appear as if this isn't a spiritual story; its how we percieve things in the modern world. But if you open your eyes and look at how truly deep this story really goes, you might just be amazed at what you'll find.

So it may not be a straight up story of religion on the exterior, but it is--at its deepest, most obscure core--something that definetly touches the religious side of things.

Remember: Halo is known for its obscurity, for its vast mysteries that we can't fully comprehend even ten years later.

I'm not saying you're ever going to see Jesus himself come down from Heaven and battle the Devil, but a symbolic event similar to that could happen.

And does the word "Tran-Sentient" not imply some sort of power we cannot comprehend? Does the ability to wipe out the entire galaxy with the push of a button not sound like playing God? Does accelerating Evolution and the Precursors apparently creating Humanity and the Forerunners "in their image" not imply some sort of god-like power (Even almost word for word taking something out of modern Religions)?

and on a less philosophical note: Does it HAVE to be spiritual for there to be gods and demons? Like the Ancients in Stargate, those guys from Warhammer 40K, etc.

Gods=/="praise Jesus"

It could also less symobolically be a simple plot element.


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Ascend to what, though?


Don't know, that's why it was an assumption. See, I, like you, enjoy thinking up random thoughts and opinions based on limted evidence, and seeing if they end up ammounting to anything.

  • 12.24.2010 9:53 AM PDT

Yes, there are many references to religion in Halo, but in all these cases there has been a rational explanation for them all. If the Precursors ascended to some kind of divinity then it would not, in my eyes, by a rational explanation.

They could have ascended to some higher state of being like existing as concious energy but that would be far too similar to Stargate for my liking.

  • 12.24.2010 12:09 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

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Forerunners created humans in the halo universe. Watch "Origins" in Halo: Legends.

  • 12.24.2010 12:32 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]
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Wolverfrog just read part of Cryptum, expecting update soon.

  • 12.24.2010 12:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: carby21
Forerunners created humans in the halo universe. Watch "Origins" in Halo: Legends.


No that was during the Great Journey when they were returning all the sentient lifeforms they had cataloged back to their home planets.

*at least that is the scene I believe you are referring to.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 1:09 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 1:08 PM PDT
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Not Precursors. Not Forerunners. Just Reclaimers, regular Humans, Forerunners' little friends. Similar to how Forerunners were Precursors little friends. That's it. End of story.

  • 12.28.2010 8:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
Not Precursors. Not Forerunners. Just Reclaimers, regular Humans, Forerunners' little friends. Similar to how Forerunners were Precursors little friends. That's it. End of story.

Yes, My Lord, my apologies for not recognizing your universal omnipotence and comprehension of the higher mysteries of canon.

Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn't make it fact any more than our suppositions are made fact by us calling them theories. They are not as likely given the new Greg Bear novels (well, mine isn't, but Wolver's is made even moreso) but they are still not impossible, and unless you do work for Microsoft (and are preparing to be fired, my guess would be) your knowledge is no greater than our own. Lesser, perhaps.

  • 12.28.2010 9:31 PM PDT

Will test for snacks!

KOTOR. JOIN.

End of story.

  • 12.29.2010 12:24 AM PDT

Some of the greatest characters in Halo are black....
Johnson.
Romeo.
Emile. (You know it's true.)

.... -blam!- its all coming together... this makes that new Halo Cryptum book all the more worthwhile

[Edited on 12.29.2010 1:33 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2010 1:28 AM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: carby21
Forerunners created humans in the halo universe. Watch "Origins" in Halo: Legends.
First off, I'm going to dismiss that by saying this, when the rings fired in origins, they destroyed everything. Forerunner, flood, everything. Here's the problem, and why i believe that legends is non cannoncidal (aside from 1337). Halo was created to destroy the flood by killing its food source. That means Humans, the Covenant, and forerunners were there food source. Kill the food, kill the flood. So when the rings fired on origins, they should have killed everything, BUT the flood!
The Sacred Rings. What are they? - Arbiter to 343 Guilty Spark.
Weapons of last resort. Built by the Forerunners to eliminate potential Flood hosts, thereby rendering the Parasite harmless. - To the Arbiter about Halo.
And those who made the rings. What happened to the Forerunners? - Question to 343 Guilty Spark.
After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center, died, as planned. Would you like to see the relevant data? - To the Arbiter.

Also, listen to what cortana says about halo.
You have no idea how this ring works, do you? Why the Forerunners built it? Halo doesn't kill Flood, it kills their food. Humans, Covenant, whatever! We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the Flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do; wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life. You don't believe me? Ask him.You may have seen the humans being returned back to Earth. That would be the only reason as to you thinking they created the humans.



*EDIT*
If you haven't read the terminals, the forerunner discovered the humans, not created the Humans. This furthers the point of legends being non cannoncidal.


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  • 01.03.2011 7:39 AM PDT
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UPDATE 3.0

Humanity is not Precursors

Halo Cryptum FTL

  • 01.04.2011 5:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: falconslayer93
UPDATE 3.0

Humanity is not Precursors

Halo Cryptum FTL


But the Gravemind is.

  • 01.04.2011 6:01 PM PDT
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If you think nobody cares about you, miss some car payments.
Hard work never hurt anyone, but why take the chance.
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Posted by: falconslayer93
UPDATE 3.0

Humanity is not Precursors

Halo Cryptum FTL


But the Gravemind is.


Hasn't been stated. The flood attacked before the Precursor was found, so thus he can't be gravemind. My guess is that he just got infected and his knowledge was taken.

  • 01.04.2011 6:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Terminus
Posted by: falconslayer93
UPDATE 3.0

Humanity is not Precursors

Halo Cryptum FTL


But the Gravemind is.


Hasn't been stated. The flood attacked before the Precursor was found, so thus he can't be gravemind. My guess is that he just got infected and his knowledge was taken.


It is my opinion that whatever intelligence or overmind the flood had it was overwritten by the much stronger mind of the Precursor. Just as now Born Stellar is now Didact, The Gravemind is the Precursor.

  • 01.04.2011 6:10 PM PDT

Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now.

I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.

  • 01.04.2011 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now.

I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.


We all do.

  • 01.05.2011 3:16 AM PDT

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now.

I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.


Are you going to wallow in self pity as I was partially right and you were completely wrong? Are you?

Cryptm pwnt Wlvrfrg.

  • 01.05.2011 7:05 AM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw

Has no one read cryptum? The precursers are flood or at least a version of the flood. As far as i can tell the Graveminds are precursers. The Humans were fighting and actualy might have beat the forerunners had they not been killing the flood that had mutated itself into them from precursor ships. The book explains all of this. The only reason humans ended up as they did in Halo is because they fought the double sided war between fleeing and killing the flood while having to push into forerunner territory to find unninfected worlds.

  • 01.07.2011 12:25 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now.

I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.
The books may have proven the theory wrong as far as the humans go, but it still does not prove where the flood came from. This theory is not over. The precursors may have created the flood in the beginning though, we don't know. The flood is still up to debate.

  • 01.08.2011 6:34 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?


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*Head asplodes*

  • 01.08.2011 12:21 PM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

No, the last sentence in Cryptum tells us exactly where the Flood came from. They are a bio weapon created as a parting gift of sorts left for the Forerunners. The captive is not the Gravemind nor the flood, although he could have been consumed by the flood. The Gravemind was established before Mendicant spoke with the Precursor thus proving the Precursors are not flood themselves.

  • 01.08.2011 12:31 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: mchalo and fries
No, the last sentence in Cryptum tells us exactly where the Flood came from. They are a bio weapon created as a parting gift of sorts left for the Forerunners. The captive is not the Gravemind nor the flood, although he could have been consumed by the flood. The Gravemind was established before Mendicant spoke with the Precursor thus proving the Precursors are not flood themselves.
Too bad now. Good threads are going to get locked up now. (SAD FACE!)

  • 01.10.2011 4:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Well this sucks, now some of Insurrection and this thread is obsolete.

  • 01.12.2011 7:48 AM PDT
Subject: Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors?

No they are not the precursors. Read Cryptum. it explains everything.

  • 01.12.2011 7:54 AM PDT