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Subject: AR needs a Rebirth!
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The assault rifle in Halo is like the lancer in GOW. It's the iconic weapon of the game. You could sense the worthiness, and appreciate the AR in CE. It was very inaccurate, BUT, it required skill to operate long range. short controlled bursts. And at point blank range it was very deadly. The AR had an amazing 'Roar" that sounded cool and intimidating in CE.

Halo 3's AR is nothing special. I could care less about using it. It sounds like an automatic potato gun, and they should have kept the hammer bar (bolt that ejects spent rounds) as it was in the Beta but then taken out. Bungie needs give AR a fixin in Reach! Let me end by saying this is my opinion.

[Edited on 08.30.2009 7:28 PM PDT]

  • 08.30.2009 7:27 PM PDT

This.

  • 08.30.2009 7:30 PM PDT

if they were to fix it, why would they make an older model beter than the new model of the AR or fix it up for reach but then restrain it a bit in halo 3

  • 08.30.2009 7:38 PM PDT
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You can't kill what's dead.

Stand. Fight. Resist. S2F.

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
This.


I love your head shot idea, but keep in mind, you have energy shields. No matter where you shoot, you're still shooting at shields. So you don't die faster if shot in the head. Shields won't power down faster if you're shooting at the head, it doesn't make sense. But if the shields are down, EVERY weapon should be able to pull of a headshot. Not just a BR or sniper.

But to the OP, I really would like the AR to be beefed up, especially in the sound effect department. The Halo 1 AR had so much kick behind it, but the H3 AR sounds so wimpy. And it's range should be increased. The current AR is so inaccurate at long distance, which it shouldn't be, compared to a BR which can be used at any range.

  • 08.30.2009 7:42 PM PDT

If you post on the thread, I will explain a lot to you. But I do not want to distract people from the topic of this thread. Just copy and paste what you typed in a reply to that thread =)
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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
This.


I love your head shot idea, but keep in mind, you have energy shields. No matter where you shoot, you're still shooting at shields. So you don't die faster if shot in the head. Shields won't power down faster if you're shooting at the head, it doesn't make sense. But if the shields are down, EVERY weapon should be able to pull of a headshot. Not just a BR or sniper.

But to the OP, I really would like the AR to be beefed up, especially in the sound effect department. The Halo 1 AR had so much kick behind it, but the H3 AR sounds so wimpy. And it's range should be increased. The current AR is so inaccurate at long distance, which it shouldn't be, compared to a BR which can be used at any range.

  • 08.30.2009 7:44 PM PDT
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No.

So....one second of spraying on the head results in an instant kill? That sounds kinda cheap :/

Unless that only applies to unsheilded players...

Meh. But yeah the AR needs a HUGE overhaul. Especially in the sounds department.

[Edited on 08.30.2009 8:00 PM PDT]

  • 08.30.2009 7:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Chuck in shredder rounds like in the novels.

  • 08.30.2009 8:47 PM PDT

I would definately like it to "sound" better, and I wish it was a bit more accurate, but other than that its fine as is.

  • 08.30.2009 9:17 PM PDT

Not just the sound..but the flashing effect too

  • 08.30.2009 9:21 PM PDT

If you post in the thread I can clear things up for you.

But basically, this would be my response:

Is it really that likely that at maximum rate of fire, all 10 rounds would land on the players head? Especially with barrel climb, and spread. The barrel climb and spread would force players to slow down in order to hit their target. Increasing the kill time.

Posted by: master piraka
So....one second of spraying on the head results in an instant kill? That sounds kinda cheap :/

Unless that only applies to unsheilded players...

Meh. But yeah the AR needs a HUGE overhaul. Especially in the sounds department.

  • 08.30.2009 9:37 PM PDT
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No.

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
If you post in the thread I can clear things up for you.

But basically, this would be my response:

Is it really that likely that at maximum rate of fire, all 10 rounds would land on the players head? Especially with barrel climb, and spread. The barrel climb and spread would force players to slow down in order to hit their target. Increasing the kill time.

Posted by: master piraka
So....one second of spraying on the head results in an instant kill? That sounds kinda cheap :/

Unless that only applies to unshielded players...

Meh. But yeah the AR needs a HUGE overhaul. Especially in the sounds department.


If you use it the way AR whores use it, hell yes. I mean spray at the enemy until you're 2 feet away from them and melee.When you're that close, a spread isn't gonna do much, and climb might actually HELP you get to the head.

Posted by: lotrguy
In both Halo CE and Halo 3 it sounded horrible.


That's the funniest damn thing I've ever heard. Even funnier than the time that 8 year old said he wanted Breaking Benjamin to be in reach.

[Edited on 08.30.2009 10:03 PM PDT]

  • 08.30.2009 10:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: lotrguy
In both Halo CE and Halo 3 it sounded horrible. However, in Halo 3, it is actually a decent weapon, but in Halo CE.... It was almost the definition of patheticness and fail. You could kill someone with a plasma pistol faster than an AR. I do hope that it remains a good weapon in Halo 3 however.


You should leave.................NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 08.31.2009 12:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: lotrguy
In both Halo CE and Halo 3 it sounded horrible. However, in Halo 3, it is actually a decent weapon, but in Halo CE.... It was almost the definition of patheticness and fail. You could kill someone with a plasma pistol faster than an AR. I do hope that it remains a good weapon in Halo 3 however.



Wow...what planet did you drop down from? That's the most ridiculous post i've ever read! Anyone who knows halo,, knows the HaloCE AR was a Beast in the sound effects department.

  • 08.31.2009 12:19 AM PDT

How 'bout this. Any weapons in Halo:CE are to be reformed to what they were in Halo:CE and any weapons that were in Halo 2 but not in Halo:CE are to be reformed to their Halo:2 versions. Perfect the way I see it.

  • 08.31.2009 12:20 AM PDT
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their fine how they are ~

don't say they'll not be in it so it wont happen
Of course the AR's are going to be in it. Every game will have it thats made from Bungie. I mean look all the marines use that gun what'd ya expect?

[Edited on 08.31.2009 12:23 AM PDT]

  • 08.31.2009 12:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Own3dS1nc31337
their fine how they are ~

don't say they'll not be in it so it wont happen
Of course the AR's are going to be in it. Every game will have it thats made from Bungie. I mean look all the marines use that gun what'd ya expect?


You can't even use correct grammar. And hard to understand what your even trying to say.

  • 08.31.2009 12:31 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
This.

I'm sorry, that balance is actually not that good... At all... You made the Human weapons even BETTER in comparison to Covenant, which is retarded.

  • 08.31.2009 1:01 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Own3dS1nc31337
their fine how they are ~

don't say they'll not be in it so it wont happen
Of course the AR's are going to be in it. Every game will have it thats made from Bungie. I mean look all the marines use that gun what'd ya expect?

1: No they aren't the ARs are horrible in Halo 3

2: Myth had no ARs

3: Halo 2 had no ARs

4: Bungie won't be making more Halo games.

  • 08.31.2009 1:08 AM PDT

Posted by: master piraka
So....one second of spraying on the head results in an instant kill? That sounds kinda cheap :/

Unless that only applies to unsheilded players...

Meh. But yeah the AR needs a HUGE overhaul. Especially in the sounds department.


Actually, the Assault Rifle is quite a powerful weapon. it's far more useful than most other close range weapons in the game, and if fired in short bursts of two rounds it's also very accurate. The only reason it sucks at anything more than mid-range is because it lacks a scope, headshot capability and the auto-aim required to effectively hit a target outside the intended range (Which is the whole point, of course). The only problem I have with the current Assault Rifle is the small clip size and the staple-gun sound effects, but hopefully these will be changed for Halo Reach.

  • 08.31.2009 2:41 AM PDT
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No.

Yeah. I don't ever hold my finger on the trigger. I press it extremly fast. It maintains accuracy, and it shoots a bit faster than normal. Who needs modded controllers when you've got fast hands?

  • 09.01.2009 12:57 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

It is simple, Deep sound, Larger Clip, Stronger Bullet Damage, ALOT less accuracy. Lower Fire Rate. BOOM. Instant perfect AR.

  • 09.01.2009 1:02 PM PDT

Screw recon, I want my 42 steak dinners.

If they made it sound like the original, I'd be happy. the H3 one sounds like a bb gun.

[Edited on 09.01.2009 1:02 PM PDT]

  • 09.01.2009 1:02 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Keep H3 version.

Double damage for unshielded headshots.

Add in a more powerful sound

Have the slide move when firing.

36 round magazine.

  • 09.01.2009 1:44 PM PDT