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Subject: Would you like Brutes in MP?

I'd love to see Brutes in MP. I've wanted it since Halo 2. Not only because Brutes are my favorite race in the Halo series, but because nearly everyone seems to think that Spartans and Elites are superior. I know that the books and the games aren't the same, but MC was nearly crushed by a Brute in one of the books (I forgot which one). They wouldn't have to do anything major to integrate the Brute into MP, and I don't really think it would ruin anything. You're not forced to use it, so why complain about it? Just because someone doesn't want to use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option for the less competitive players (and even competitive players who like Brutes) out there.

  • 09.01.2009 1:14 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

It would form a Triangle, which we all know is the perfect, and most awesome shape...

  • 09.01.2009 1:15 PM PDT

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  • 09.01.2009 1:17 PM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

All I can say is read the books and play the games again. You will see Elites hiding when damaged and waiting for shields to recharge. In the books they create original tactics to defeat the foes by making flanks and neccesary sacrifices. Brutes do not do any of this. Their tactics are based on "More is Better" and have as many Brutes in a pack as possible, and force the opponents to back down by sheer force, not by military intelligence.

Spartans are not Robots with no emotional thoughts. Heard of Grey Team? What about Lucy? How about Kurt?

And we all know that Circles are the most perfect shape.

[Edited on 09.01.2009 1:18 PM PDT]

  • 09.01.2009 1:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: xDustyMonkeyx
I'd love to see Brutes in MP. I've wanted it since Halo 2. Not only because Brutes are my favorite race in the Halo series, but because nearly everyone seems to think that Spartans and Elites are superior. I know that the books and the games aren't the same, but MC was nearly crushed by a Brute in one of the books (I forgot which one). They wouldn't have to do anything major to integrate the Brute into MP, and I don't really think it would ruin anything. You're not forced to use it, so why complain about it? Just because someone doesn't want to use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option for the less competitive players (and even competitive players who like Brutes) out there.


well, in TFoR ... MC struggled a lot to kill an elite hand to hand too. elites are naturally as strong as spartans *cough cough*.
in any case, it's not even sure brutes will be in reach at all, in SP at least. and I doubt bungie will bother creating a model, textures, armor perms and animations for a character you only see in MP...

and even if they ARE in sp... fact is, there is not a lot of people who likes brutes. not a lot at all. mlg players say it's not competitive, regular players think they look dumb and stupid and fat, elite fans just don't like brutes at all...

plus, the more races there is, the less time bungie has to work on each race, the less content they have each.... I'd rather have 2 well done, complete races than 3 half done races (with one of these 3 races used by only a few thousands players... a huge waste imo).

[Edited on 09.01.2009 1:21 PM PDT]

  • 09.01.2009 1:20 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: NME Overlord
All I can say is read the books and play the games again. You will see Elites hiding when damaged and waiting for shields to recharge. In the books they create original tactics to defeat the foes by making flanks and neccesary sacrifices. Brutes do not do any of this. Their tactics are based on "More is Better" and have as many Brutes in a pack as possible, and force the opponents to back down by sheer force, not by military intelligence.

Spartans are not Robots with no emotional thoughts. Heard of Grey Team? What about Lucy? How about Kurt?

And we all know that Circles are the most perfect shape.

The AI doesnt matter though, its all about the player, the player behind the brute can do all that. So yeah.

And that was just a crack at how they spent their whole lives having the regular military BS pumped into their minds (and no, Im not talking about needles, Im talking about militaristic patriotism.)

  • 09.01.2009 1:21 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: NME Overlord
And we all know that Circles are the most perfect shape.

So...you either want infinity amount of races....or 1 race....hmm.....


Just face it, you don't want them in simply because you yourself are not keen on them. Not because you honestly believe it couldn't happen.

  • 09.01.2009 1:22 PM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Posted by: z0rgy
well, in TFoR ... MC struggled a lot to kill an elite hand to hand too. elites are naturally as strong as spartans *cough cough*.
in any case, it's not even sure brutes will be in reach at all, in SP at least. and I doubt bungie will bother creating a model, textures, armor perms and animations for a character you only see in MP...

and even if they ARE in sp... fact is, there is not a lot of people who likes brutes. not a lot at all. mlg players say it's not competitive, regular players think they look dumb and stupid and fat, elite fans just don't like brutes at all...

plus, the more races there is, the less time bungie has to work on each race, the less content they have each.... I'd rather have 2 well done, complete races than 3 half done races (with one of these 3 races used by only a few thousands players... a huge waste imo).

Marry me?

  • 09.01.2009 1:22 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: xDustyMonkeyx
I'd love to see Brutes in MP. I've wanted it since Halo 2. Not only because Brutes are my favorite race in the Halo series, but because nearly everyone seems to think that Spartans and Elites are superior. I know that the books and the games aren't the same, but MC was nearly crushed by a Brute in one of the books (I forgot which one). They wouldn't have to do anything major to integrate the Brute into MP, and I don't really think it would ruin anything. You're not forced to use it, so why complain about it? Just because someone doesn't want to use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option for the less competitive players (and even competitive players who like Brutes) out there.


well, in TFoR ... MC struggled a lot to kill an elite hand to hand too. elites are naturally as strong as spartans *cough cough*.
in any case, it's not even sure brutes will be in reach at all, in SP at least. and I doubt bungie will bother creating a model, textures, armor perms and animations for a character you only see in MP...

and even if they ARE in sp... fact is, there is not a lot of people who likes brutes. not a lot at all. mlg players say it's not competitive, regular players think they look dumb and stupid and fat, elite fans just don't like brutes at all...

plus, the more races there is, the less time bungie has to work on each race, the less content they have each.... I'd rather have 2 well done, complete races than 3 half done races (with one of these 3 races used by only a few thousands players... a huge waste imo).

Ive seen a LOT of chieftain players in Halo Wars. It wasn't Bungie, but he wasn't even IN campaign, and they made him a hero.

  • 09.01.2009 1:22 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: NME Overlord
And we all know that Circles are the most perfect shape.

So...you either want infinity amount of races....or 1 race....hmm.....


Just face it, you don't want them in simply because you yourself are not keen on them. Not because you honestly believe it couldn't happen.

He only wants infinity, one would be a dot (Pathetic)

2 is a line (not even a shape yet)

3 is a Triangle (Awesomeness is the triangle)

  • 09.01.2009 1:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: xDustyMonkeyx
I'd love to see Brutes in MP. I've wanted it since Halo 2. Not only because Brutes are my favorite race in the Halo series, but because nearly everyone seems to think that Spartans and Elites are superior. I know that the books and the games aren't the same, but MC was nearly crushed by a Brute in one of the books (I forgot which one). They wouldn't have to do anything major to integrate the Brute into MP, and I don't really think it would ruin anything. You're not forced to use it, so why complain about it? Just because someone doesn't want to use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option for the less competitive players (and even competitive players who like Brutes) out there.


well, in TFoR ... MC struggled a lot to kill an elite hand to hand too. elites are naturally as strong as spartans *cough cough*.
in any case, it's not even sure brutes will be in reach at all, in SP at least. and I doubt bungie will bother creating a model, textures, armor perms and animations for a character you only see in MP...

and even if they ARE in sp... fact is, there is not a lot of people who likes brutes. not a lot at all. mlg players say it's not competitive, regular players think they look dumb and stupid and fat, elite fans just don't like brutes at all...

plus, the more races there is, the less time bungie has to work on each race, the less content they have each.... I'd rather have 2 well done, complete races than 3 half done races (with one of these 3 races used by only a few thousands players... a huge waste imo).

Ive seen a LOT of chieftain players in Halo Wars. It wasn't Bungie, but he wasn't even IN campaign, and they made him a hero.

*claps hand*
have you played the game? honestly? well,do it now.
out of 50 online games, you'll face forge & anders 25 times, arbiter 20 times, and the 5 spots will be split with the BC and prophet.
don't forget the fact they added him only to have 3 heros per side, AND because they already had a prophet and an elite, and brutes were the only commanding race left.
lastly, it didn't take a HUUUUGE amount of time for them to design him : take a brute, give him a beard, and tada! he doesn't appear in ANY cutscenes, so there isn't even a CG model of him at all.

in other words, he's here for the balance, not by fan demand.

[Edited on 09.01.2009 1:29 PM PDT]

  • 09.01.2009 1:27 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: xDustyMonkeyx
I'd love to see Brutes in MP. I've wanted it since Halo 2. Not only because Brutes are my favorite race in the Halo series, but because nearly everyone seems to think that Spartans and Elites are superior. I know that the books and the games aren't the same, but MC was nearly crushed by a Brute in one of the books (I forgot which one). They wouldn't have to do anything major to integrate the Brute into MP, and I don't really think it would ruin anything. You're not forced to use it, so why complain about it? Just because someone doesn't want to use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option for the less competitive players (and even competitive players who like Brutes) out there.


well, in TFoR ... MC struggled a lot to kill an elite hand to hand too. elites are naturally as strong as spartans *cough cough*.
in any case, it's not even sure brutes will be in reach at all, in SP at least. and I doubt bungie will bother creating a model, textures, armor perms and animations for a character you only see in MP...

and even if they ARE in sp... fact is, there is not a lot of people who likes brutes. not a lot at all. mlg players say it's not competitive, regular players think they look dumb and stupid and fat, elite fans just don't like brutes at all...

plus, the more races there is, the less time bungie has to work on each race, the less content they have each.... I'd rather have 2 well done, complete races than 3 half done races (with one of these 3 races used by only a few thousands players... a huge waste imo).

Ive seen a LOT of chieftain players in Halo Wars. It wasn't Bungie, but he wasn't even IN campaign, and they made him a hero.

*claps hand*
have you played the game? honestly? well,do it now.
out of 50 online games, you'll face forge & anders 25 times, arbiter 20 times, and the 5 spots will be split with the BC and prophet.
don't forget the fact they added him only to have 3 heros per side, AND because they already had a prophet and an elite, and brutes were the only commanding race left.
lastly, it didn't take a HUUUUGE amount of time for them to design him : take a brute, give him a beard, and tada! he doesn't appear in ANY cutscenes, so there isn't even a CG model of him at all.

in other words, he's here for the balance, not by fan demand.

Yes, I am waiting for them to Nurf the Arbiter. But Forge is only common for his role as a team player, the fact that he can feed all his cash to everyone else, other than that, he really sucks.

The two best players I EVER came across were a pair of Chieftain users in 2v2 Standard... OMG they raped me BAD. I have NEVER had problems with Arby-Forges.

  • 09.01.2009 1:31 PM PDT
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even if you indeed are right and lots of people use the BC (which, according to my (fresh) memories isn't the case at all, as everybody think he's awfully underpowered), my point is still standing : he's here for the balance only, not because people wanted him to be here.

  • 09.01.2009 1:36 PM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Right, you've done it. This may turn into a wall of text, so bear with me.

I am not against Brutes being in MP. All I'm saying is that Bungie will have to change a lot of things to allow them to be the equal of Elites and Spartans in terms of attributes. Bungie would need to change the health of the Brutes, take off the armour, and add energy shields. That is the only way that it would be fair for Brutes to be involved in Multiplayer.

However, I seriously doubt that that will happen, as the reason you can play as Spartans and Elites in MP is because Bungie have to change hardly anything from their Single Player counterparts. They can jump the same height, have the same Melee Power (on Normal), take the same hits as you can (on Normal) and deal the same damage you can (on Normal). These four things allow botht the player models to be put into Multiplayer.

Of course you could say that they shouldn't change anything, and that they should keep the Brutes Shields as they are in Halo 3. There are at least 2 things wrong with this statement.

1. We do not know if Brutes are even going to appear in the Campaign in Reach, and so who knows what armour they will have? As zorgy said, why would Bungie put in a player model and have to design a completely new animation set and sounds just because 3 people in the forum want Brutes?

2. Keeping the Brutes shields as they are in Halo 3 would make the game unfair. Against the Brute player. If you have a 1v1 battle against a player, it is most likely that the shield would be blow off, and as we know from the campaign, a blown off shield cannot be replaced. Therefore at the end of this battle, the player has no choice but to act like a ninja for the rest of the game, or until they die. And as you will constantly be flashing sparks from your loss of shield, this ninja tactic does seem like the mission impossible.

Yes, the Brutes melee could do more damage, but if you are putting in unequal opponents into a game which is know for being fairly equal, you are basically putting in classes. And as we know from the many flame wars that are being fought right now, many, many people are against classes. Me included.

Now I know that my opinion does not matter to you, and that this next sentence will not make any sense to you, but if you have read this far, I'm sure you can survive one more statement.
I am not against Brutes being in multiplayer, I am only against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game.

  • 09.01.2009 1:37 PM PDT

Burn in the flame of my passige

i would want to pay as them as long as the have sheilds not power armor

  • 09.01.2009 1:40 PM PDT
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well worded :D
plus, it'd feel weird to see brutes in mp too. you don't introduce a new character model in mp so late in a saga... if bungie wanted to add brutes, they could have done it for H3, couldn't they? :/

chances that they add brutes are (thanks god) very low.

  • 09.01.2009 1:44 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: z0rgy
well worded :D
plus, it'd feel weird to see brutes in mp too. you don't introduce a new character model in mp so late in a saga... if bungie wanted to add brutes, they could have done it for H3, couldn't they? :/

chances that they add brutes are (thanks god) very low.


They were going to add Brutes into Halo 3. Why do you think they suddenly had shields by H3's Campaign? Because it was Bungie's intention to include them in the MultiPlayer. A very tight schedule stopped adding them in, but they were going to be! And at some point, that was stated by Bungie.

I'd like to see you explain the mystical reason behind that.

  • 09.01.2009 2:12 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

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Posted by: AYuDEAD
This question keeps getting asked, WHY? Elites in MP are already dumb, why would anyone who like a competitive match say yes. Brutes in Customs/Social , fine. Brutes in Ranked, hell no.

so you are one of those one minded Halo 8 year olds arn't you? I can bet you are because you will say no and lie about your age and say your 38. You are a toatally wrong why would you every NOT want customisation?! It is ridicoulas i see all of these people on this forum only wanting forums. I mean stfu kid you dont know what you are talking about katana boy.
Okay normaly I don't defend people, but kid if you're going to flame someone at least spell check it so you don't look like a dumb ass.

  • 09.01.2009 2:16 PM PDT

Posted by: D0nald Duck
Bungie made the Brutes look really bad in Halo 3. I mean with the armor just breaking off with mear bulets, 2 weapons, slang and bad dialect etc. In Contact Harvest the Brutes are actually striving to the top and arn't primative monkey boys anymore.


Do you mean the book right? If so hel yeah! The brutes were described really well in the book. H3 doesn't do them justice at all.

They should look like 1 or 2

[Edited on 09.01.2009 2:25 PM PDT]

  • 09.01.2009 2:21 PM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

I wish brutes would be in multiplayer and that they would give all three races different properties. Such as:

Spartans - Strong shields, low health, medium melee

Elites - Medium shields, medium health, medium melee

Brutes - No shields, strong health, strong melee


This would add a new dynamic to the game and make different weapons much more useful for different situations and against different enemies.

[Edited on 09.01.2009 2:35 PM PDT]

  • 09.01.2009 2:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: z0rgy
well worded :D
plus, it'd feel weird to see brutes in mp too. you don't introduce a new character model in mp so late in a saga... if bungie wanted to add brutes, they could have done it for H3, couldn't they? :/

chances that they add brutes are (thanks god) very low.


They were going to add Brutes into Halo 3. Why do you think they suddenly had shields by H3's Campaign? Because it was Bungie's intention to include them in the MultiPlayer. A very tight schedule stopped adding them in, but they were going to be! And at some point, that was stated by Bungie.

I'd like to see you explain the mystical reason behind that.


they added energy shields because they SAID in the making of that brutes in H2 were not interesting to fight, they were bullet sponge. that's all. they'd stand still and shoot you till they die, now, they take cover (sometimes).
it was never planned to add them to mp. never EVER.

besides, their energy shields are not even like the ones spartans and elites use...

  • 09.01.2009 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: z0rgy
well worded :D
plus, it'd feel weird to see brutes in mp too. you don't introduce a new character model in mp so late in a saga... if bungie wanted to add brutes, they could have done it for H3, couldn't they? :/

chances that they add brutes are (thanks god) very low.


They were going to add Brutes into Halo 3. Why do you think they suddenly had shields by H3's Campaign? Because it was Bungie's intention to include them in the MultiPlayer. A very tight schedule stopped adding them in, but they were going to be! And at some point, that was stated by Bungie.

I'd like to see you explain the mystical reason behind that.


they added energy shields because they SAID in the making of that brutes in H2 were not interesting to fight, they were bullet sponge. that's all. they'd stand still and shoot you till they die, now, they take cover (sometimes).
it was never planned to add them to mp. never EVER.

besides, their energy shields are not even like the ones spartans and elites use...


They were going to add Brutes! It was confirmed!

The Brute shields are almost exactly the same apart from the break-off feature. Without that frankly rubbish break-off feature, Brutes are fine.

  • 09.01.2009 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: z0rgy
well worded :D
plus, it'd feel weird to see brutes in mp too. you don't introduce a new character model in mp so late in a saga... if bungie wanted to add brutes, they could have done it for H3, couldn't they? :/

chances that they add brutes are (thanks god) very low.


They were going to add Brutes into Halo 3. Why do you think they suddenly had shields by H3's Campaign? Because it was Bungie's intention to include them in the MultiPlayer. A very tight schedule stopped adding them in, but they were going to be! And at some point, that was stated by Bungie.

I'd like to see you explain the mystical reason behind that.


they added energy shields because they SAID in the making of that brutes in H2 were not interesting to fight, they were bullet sponge. that's all. they'd stand still and shoot you till they die, now, they take cover (sometimes).
it was never planned to add them to mp. never EVER.

besides, their energy shields are not even like the ones spartans and elites use...


They were going to add Brutes! It was confirmed!

The Brute shields are almost exactly the same apart from the break-off feature. Without that frankly rubbish break-off feature, Brutes are fine.

I'll believe it when I get a proof somewhere...

  • 09.01.2009 3:07 PM PDT

if u have brutes they are bigger and i personally think it would be pointless... maybe having them would add a new layer but they can die easily and are a much easier target to see and hit

  • 09.01.2009 3:10 PM PDT