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Subject: Would you like Brutes in MP?
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Posted by: z0rgy
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Posted by: NME Overlord
Me and zorgy are the only ones arguing against Brutes! Don't just say no then walk away!


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The only real, legitamate reasone why you don't want Brutes in MM is because there wouldn't be enough armor perms.

yes. less perms for elites and spartans. and the fact it basically is fanservice on a minority scale... apart from a few thousand players (ouf of the hundreds thousands), nobody would like it or play with them.
and, lastly, because if they're not in SP, then they won't be in MM either.

and I believe overlord meant "dont say "no" to us (me/zorgy) and then walk away"


Let's just hope that the minority doesn't leave the game just because of a couple perms.

If they aren't in single player. .

I think he meant don't say no and not give your position.

  • 09.03.2009 3:47 PM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

It was a combination of both.

No against Brutes without presenting an argument annoys me.

No against my arguments with no comment annoys me even more. They do not want me and zorgy's combined intelligence to fall upon them like a ton of feathers.

If you want to see my full arguements against Brutes, see page 3.

[Edited on 09.03.2009 3:56 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2009 3:56 PM PDT

Does anybody care what do Jackals think???!!!

  • 09.03.2009 4:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: D0nald Duck
There is a f1/\m3 war g01n 0n up in h3r3!

you obviously don't know what a flame war is XD
I'd call this a battle of arguments, if anything.

  • 09.03.2009 4:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: NME Overlord
Right, you've done it. This may turn into a wall of text, so bear with me.

A.I am not against Brutes being in MP. All I'm saying is that Bungie will have to change a lot of things to allow them to be the equal of Elites and Spartans in terms of attributes. Bungie would need to change the health of the Brutes, take off the armour, and add energy shields. That is the only way that it would be fair for Brutes to be involved in Multiplayer.

However, I seriously doubt that that will happen, as the reason you can play as Spartans and Elites in MP is because Bungie have to change hardly anything from their Single Player counterparts. They can jump the same height, have the same Melee Power (on Normal), take the same hits as you can (on Normal) and deal the same damage you can (on Normal). These four things allow botht the player models to be put into Multiplayer.

Of course you could say that they shouldn't change anything, and that they should keep the Brutes Shields as they are in Halo 3. There are at least 2 things wrong with this statement.

1. We do not know if Brutes are even going to appear in the Campaign in Reach, and so who knows what armour they will have? As zorgy said, why would Bungie put in a player model and have to design a completely new animation set and sounds just because 3 people in the forum want Brutes?

2. Keeping the Brutes shields as they are in Halo 3 would make the game unfair. Against the Brute player. If you have a 1v1 battle against a player, it is most likely that the shield would be blow off, and as we know from the campaign, a blown off shield cannot be replaced. Therefore at the end of this battle, the player has no choice but to act like a ninja for the rest of the game, or until they die. And as you will constantly be flashing sparks from your loss of shield, this ninja tactic does seem like the mission impossible.

Yes, the Brutes melee could do more damage, but if you are putting in unequal opponents into a game which is know for being fairly equal, you are basically putting in classes. And as we know from the many flame wars that are being fought right now, many, many people are against classes. Me included.

Now I know that my opinion does not matter to you, and that this next sentence will not make any sense to you, but if you have read this far, I'm sure you can survive one more statement.
I am not against Brutes being in multiplayer, I am only against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game.


Okay, I read your wall of text, and this is what I have to say;

What side are you really on? "I am not against Brutes being in Multiplayer, all I'm saying is that Bungie will have to change a lot of things to allow them to be the equal of Elites and Spartans in terms of attributes." Then you say I am not against Brutes being in multiplayer, I am only against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game.
This is completely pointless. You told me that you are not against the ideas of Brutes in MM, yet you contredict yourself, saying that you are against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game? What are you rascist? The only thing you have pointed out is that it will take time and patience for Brutes to be welcomed in MM, virtues that you obviously do not have if you are complaining about it taking forever.

1. I can see why Brutes would not be in MM if they aren't in Reach. I agree with you, there. . With one exeption. Armor. Who knows what kind of armor they will have? My mind was blown when they even made the armor customization for the SPARTAN's and the Elites, so why not Brutes? I understand the animation sets, but sounds? I don't hear bullets pinging off of my armor, of hear them grind together, do you?

2. We are not talking about Single Player anymore. That means rechargable sheilds. Why? I don't know, lets say to make the game. . fair or equal to other races and PLAYERS. Same thing with melee damage or how high they jump or what size their body is without the use of classes.

I am not saying you should keep the Brute as it was in Halo 3, I'm saying you should change the Brute for Match Making purposes so it could be equal to other races or players.

Brutes would also be a big plus for Machinima. Seeing that there would be more races induced into Reach Multiplayer(IF this happens), then there could be a mix of stories and mini-series to go along with them.


[Edited on 09.03.2009 4:54 PM PDT]

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Posted by: D0nald Duck
Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: NME Overlord
Right, you've done it. This may turn into a wall of text, so bear with me.

A.I am not against Brutes being in MP. All I'm saying is that Bungie will have to change a lot of things to allow them to be the equal of Elites and Spartans in terms of attributes. Bungie would need to change the health of the Brutes, take off the armour, and add energy shields. That is the only way that it would be fair for Brutes to be involved in Multiplayer.

However, I seriously doubt that that will happen, as the reason you can play as Spartans and Elites in MP is because Bungie have to change hardly anything from their Single Player counterparts. They can jump the same height, have the same Melee Power (on Normal), take the same hits as you can (on Normal) and deal the same damage you can (on Normal). These four things allow botht the player models to be put into Multiplayer.

Of course you could say that they shouldn't change anything, and that they should keep the Brutes Shields as they are in Halo 3. There are at least 2 things wrong with this statement.

1. We do not know if Brutes are even going to appear in the Campaign in Reach, and so who knows what armour they will have? As zorgy said, why would Bungie put in a player model and have to design a completely new animation set and sounds just because 3 people in the forum want Brutes?

2. Keeping the Brutes shields as they are in Halo 3 would make the game unfair. Against the Brute player. If you have a 1v1 battle against a player, it is most likely that the shield would be blow off, and as we know from the campaign, a blown off shield cannot be replaced. Therefore at the end of this battle, the player has no choice but to act like a ninja for the rest of the game, or until they die. And as you will constantly be flashing sparks from your loss of shield, this ninja tactic does seem like the mission impossible.

Yes, the Brutes melee could do more damage, but if you are putting in unequal opponents into a game which is know for being fairly equal, you are basically putting in classes. And as we know from the many flame wars that are being fought right now, many, many people are against classes. Me included.

Now I know that my opinion does not matter to you, and that this next sentence will not make any sense to you, but if you have read this far, I'm sure you can survive one more statement.
I am not against Brutes being in multiplayer, I am only against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game.


Okay, I read your wall of text, and this is what I have to say;

What side are you really on? "I am not against Brutes being in Multiplayer, all I'm saying is that Bungie will have to change a lot of things to allow them to be the equal of Elites and Spartans in terms of attributes." Then you say I am not against Brutes being in multiplayer, I am only against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game.[quote]
This is completely pointless. You told me that you are not against the ideas of Brutes in MM, yet you contredict yourself, saying that you are against the introduction of an unequal race into an equal game? What are you rascist? The only thing you have pointed out is that it will take time and patience for Brutes to be welcomed in MM, virtues that you obviously do not have if you are complaining about it taking forever.

1. I can see why Brutes would not be in MM if they aren't in Reach. I agree with you, there. . With one exeption. Armor. Who knows what kind of armor they will have? My mind was blown when they even made the armor customization for the SPARTAN's and the Elites, so why not Brutes? I understand the animation sets, but sounds? I don't hear bullets pinging off of my armor, of hear them grind together, do you?

2. We are not talking about Single Player anymore. That means rechargable sheilds. Why? I don't know, lets say to make the game. . fair or equal to other races and PLAYERS. Same thing with melee damage or how high they jump or what size their body is without the use of classes.

I am not saying you should keep the Brute as it was in Halo 3, I'm saying you should change the Brute for Match Making purposes so it could be equal to other races or players.

Brutes would also be a big plus for Machinima. Seeing that there would be more races induced into Reach Multiplayer(IF this happens), then there could be a mix of stories and mini-series to go along with them.

Noice :)


I appretiate you being on my side and all, but seriously, I don't need a cheerleader. Just sit on the sidelines and watch me play.

No hard feelings. I just feel like you didn't, honestly, read my post that fast.

  • 09.03.2009 4:57 PM PDT
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I guess you didn't read that too..

Please believe that I truly am calm. And I'll say it again, I appretiate you being on my side. Notice that this isn't just my idea, but yours. You turned on the light in my brain to be a pro-Brutist( :) ). Thank you for thanking me, but I just find it annoying that you quote me and/or another bnet user saying good job. And AGAIN, I appretiate you being on my side.

And AGAIN, no hard feelings.

  • 09.03.2009 5:05 PM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

angry not everybody agrees that brutes are so l33t and cool, amirite?

1st : everybody agree that brutes sucks. go in the halo 3 forums, make a poll, and ask "which one do you prefer : elites or brutes?". don't do it, i'll buy you some time : the poll will say "elites". mlgers (whether they're mlg wanabes with "xXx", "itz", "br" or whatever in their GT, competitive players, and people who like the br), regular players and elite fans are the majority of the players. hope it's not too much of a news for you.
since the majority dislikes brutes, they OBVIOUSLY won't play with them.
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2nd : the more races, the less time for each, it's a fact. like it or not, my opinion is right AND worthy. since they give themselves a deadline, they have to do everything by that time. and since they can't slow time down, they are limited, and the more tasks they have to do, the less time per task they can afford to spend on. it's mathematical, and that simple.

3rd : brutes might not even be in sp AT ALL. bungie won't create a model for brutes in mp only.

4th : the game WILL have a huge graphical enhancement, they're making a whole new engine for it.



Im not angry, lol. Don't try and make this personal and stay on topic. I prefer Elites over Brutes personally. *Note the Avatar of Nthro Sraom or whatever*

1. You should be ashamed of yourself asking me to go to the halo 3 forums and make a poll, you know its -blam!- state.

I love how you have the balls to speak for the ENTIRE Halo Community, acting as if every single word you say is 100% Accurate. Your words don't speak for everyone... and no biased forum poll on Halo 3 will prove you right. I'll save myself some time and not bother with your ridiculous retort.

2. Again, you know about as much about Project Reach as the average ape. You have no clue how many staff members are working on Reach, The only thing you know is that its an FPS, and adding a Brute Skin will take more work. Don't give crap about some deadline... I don't know if you've noticed... But Duke Nukem Forever has yet to be released.

You don't even care about the quality of work, you just have some sort of innate hatred for a fictional race of creatures. Your excuses are always the same thing... THEY DON'T HAVE TIME, PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEM, I KNOW CAUSE I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. Your like Southern Folk back in the old days, afraid of change.

3. You are an idiot, rofl. If they ever make Brutes in MP then no -blam!- they'll be in Campaign as enemies as well. Thats a no brainer. I never said Bungie will make a model for brutes exclusively for MP instead of Campaign.

4. Thank you for backing me up, with the new graphical enhancement, no doubt they will work on the image of brutes. They already started in halo 2-3. Eliminating brutes will give a feeling of absence that just wouldn't work.

I mean what would Brutes be doing in the battle of one of the UNSC's most powerful military colonies? Supporting the Covenant? Or sitting in the sidelines?

yes. less perms for elites and spartans. and the fact it basically is fanservice on a minority scale... apart from a few thousand players (ouf of the hundreds thousands), nobody would like it or play with them.
and, lastly, because if they're not in SP, then they won't be in MM either.

and I believe overlord meant "dont say "no" to us (me/zorgy) and then walk away"


Im sure lots of other people in this forum can make estimations as well.

[Edited on 09.03.2009 6:33 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2009 6:27 PM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Brutes would also be a big plus for Machinima. Seeing that there would be more races induced into Reach Multiplayer(IF this happens), then there could be a mix of stories and mini-series to go along with them.

This is a key point I have missed out on.

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Brutes would also be a big plus for Machinima. Seeing that there would be more races induced into Reach Multiplayer(IF this happens), then there could be a mix of stories and mini-series to go along with them.

This is a key point I have missed out on.

Same, until last night when I remembered about machinimas. :)

  • 09.03.2009 6:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: YumBuscuitMan
Brutes would also be a big plus for Machinima. Seeing that there would be more races induced into Reach Multiplayer(IF this happens), then there could be a mix of stories and mini-series to go along with them.

This is a key point I have missed out on.

Same, until last night when I remembered about machinimas. :)


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oh man stop it

it wouldnt change anything its just another kind character

  • 09.03.2009 6:57 PM PDT

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I'd think Brutes would appear, they did in the Halo Wars campaign, which was 20 years before Halo 1, which starts very soon after Reach is attacked.

Whether you count Halo Wars as canon or not, I think it is. Of course, one would then wonder where things like the Locust and Vampire went, I guess you could say that they used them for large engagements only or that as MC, you just never happened to encounter them. I think it would be cool to see Halo Wars units in this game to, in a way, help connect it to Halo as a shooter.

In the end, if this is the case, Brutes in MP would at least make sense. Rather than them just being there and not being in the campaign at all, so yeah I'd like them in MP.

[Edited on 09.03.2009 8:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2009 8:24 PM PDT

thats just dumb bcuz reach takes place before halo: CE, so brutes really arent even there. and brutes are waay bigger than spartans so thats really dumb and spartans and elites are equal in everything.

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I hope you 'new comers' read every wall of text before you voted because your logic is undeniably insane.

  • 09.03.2009 8:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Famous_Hijkkr
thats just dumb bcuz reach takes place before halo: CE, so brutes really arent even there. and brutes are waay bigger than spartans so thats really dumb and spartans and elites are equal in everything.


In the events of Halo: CE, Te PoA was followed by an Elite Fleet led by Thel Vadam (The future Arbiter). Do you really think an elite commander would want to have Brutes for soldiers?

  • 09.04.2009 7:03 AM PDT

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Bruts are to big so they would be easy targets for sniping

  • 09.04.2009 7:07 AM PDT

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Yes i would love Brutes for MP


Whilst i didnt feel they were as good in campaign of halo 3 as the elites had been back in halo 1 and 2, i did always feel that they would have been cool in MP

In fact there used to even be a group dedicated to this, which had huge threads wanting brutes in Halo 3.

  • 09.04.2009 7:52 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

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Posted by: count peter
Yes i would love Brutes for MP


Whilst i didnt feel they were as good in campaign of halo 3 as the elites had been back in halo 1 and 2, i did always feel that they would have been cool in MP

In fact there used to even be a group dedicated to this, which had huge threads wanting brutes in Halo 3.


Loads of members in that group!!!

I think there nearly 500 now, without much advertising too. :D

I shall get a lnik for the group, should any other peeps want to join. There's lots of cool threads on the group's forum.

  • 09.04.2009 8:08 AM PDT