Halo: Reach Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: Would you like Brutes in MP?
  • Subject: Would you like Brutes in MP?
Subject: Would you like Brutes in MP?

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

Posted by: D0nald Duck
Posted by: Tyguy101
I wish brutes would be in multiplayer and that they would give all three races different properties. Such as:

Spartans - Strong shields, low health, medium melee

Elites - Medium shields, medium health, medium melee

Brutes - No shields, strong health, strong melee


This would add a new dynamic to the game and make different weapons much more useful for different situations and against different enemies.

This? well the idea is good for one playlist. It wouldn't work for every single one but this is a good idea for one. Maybe the name could be Covenant vs USNC (i know not that creative).


I think it is time for some radically different playlists. BR's, with everyone the same, on symmetrical maps is getting kinda old IMO.

  • 09.04.2009 8:29 AM PDT

no dont have any follow the story

  • 09.04.2009 8:30 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

I know I started this war, but we do need to calm down people. I'm against Brutes, a few are you are with Brutes. Whatever. Remember that for all your arguements for Brutes, me and zorgy will be able to take you down with internet rapport.

  • 09.04.2009 8:36 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: NME Overlord
I know I started this war, but we do need to calm down people. I'm against Brutes, a few are you are with Brutes. Whatever. Remember that for all your arguements for Brutes, me and zorgy will be able to take you down with internet rapport.
But this fiery debate will just drag on until all of us die at the keyboard, or finally assassinate each other in fury.

Can't you just accept Brutes? It's not like you have to use it as your player model! If you hate them so much, you could kill them as an Elite/Spartan!!!!

  • 09.04.2009 8:55 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Join Sector 8b thats a awesome group, help us to save humanity

WE NEED YOU !!! FOR EARTH !!!

I agree

  • 09.04.2009 8:55 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

NO! I can't except the Brutes... I just can't... They did bad things to Elites, and I can never forgive them for that.

  • 09.04.2009 8:56 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Join Sector 8b thats a awesome group, help us to save humanity

WE NEED YOU !!! FOR EARTH !!!

you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real

  • 09.04.2009 8:58 AM PDT

If its war you want its a war you shall get!!! THIS IS HALO!!!
No, seriously just accept brutes.

  • 09.04.2009 8:59 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real

lolwut?

  • 09.04.2009 9:02 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: NME Overlord
I know I started this war, but we do need to calm down people. I'm against Brutes, a few are you are with Brutes. Whatever. Remember that for all your arguements for Brutes, me and zorgy will be able to take you down with internet rapport.

I beleive the OP started this.

And. . .

Why haven't you replied back?

  • 09.04.2009 9:25 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Posted by: NME Overlord
I know I started this war, but we do need to calm down people. I'm against Brutes, a few are you are with Brutes. Whatever. Remember that for all your arguements for Brutes, me and zorgy will be able to take you down with internet rapport.


Your strongest arguements together are that it'll take too much work, and people don't want brutes. Again, irrelevant seeing as they are just opinions.

And if brutes were to ever be in MP, then no -blam!- Bungie is going to make them even with Spartans and Elites.

  • 09.04.2009 9:44 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: NME Overlord
I know I started this war, but we do need to calm down people. I'm against Brutes, a few are you are with Brutes. Whatever. Remember that for all your arguements for Brutes, me and zorgy will be able to take you down with internet rapport.

I beleive the OP started this.

And. . .

Why haven't you replied back?

Because there is more to my life than spending 100% of my time on BNet.

  • 09.04.2009 9:46 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: NME Overlord
Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: NME Overlord
I know I started this war, but we do need to calm down people. I'm against Brutes, a few are you are with Brutes. Whatever. Remember that for all your arguements for Brutes, me and zorgy will be able to take you down with internet rapport.

I beleive the OP started this.

And. . .

Why haven't you replied back?

Because there is more to my life than spending 100% of my time on BNet.


Well, you're on now, aren't you? And it seems like you have, most of the time, been posting non-stop so I don't see why you couldn't just give my post a chance like I did to yours.

  • 09.04.2009 9:50 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Senior Mythic Member

Proud frenchie, elite fan, anthro artist not hellbent on yiff convention/pics/whatever, mature and intelligent forum guy, 4chaner, halo 2 lover and halo 3 hater.

Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real


dunno about him, but in my case, I'm 1 an elite fan... >.> so it's obvious I won't like brutes, and 2, they wouldn't fit in mp. I can't accept the idea of having a giant monkey with shields.

also, it wouldn't even fit, story-wise. I know mp is not cannon... but BRUTES (read the name again : "brute") rely on brute force (see what I did there?), they'd rather rush into battle and let their stamina save them. it's always been this way, and dont tell me bungie can fix it (because it'd make as much sense as saying "lets make hunters weaker but give them energy shields" or "make jackals invulnerable to headshot, have 20 times their health and make them tougher than hunters". rechargeable energy shields and covers aren't the way brutes fight.....unlike elites and spartans who have "normal" health and actually take cover if they want to live. so it's more sensed to stick with them rather than break the lore.

  • 09.04.2009 9:51 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real


dunno about him, but in my case, I'm 1 an elite fan... >.> so it's obvious I won't like brutes, and 2, they wouldn't fit in mp. I can't accept the idea of having a giant monkey with shields.

also, it wouldn't even fit, story-wise. I know mp is not cannon... but BRUTES (read the name again : "brute") rely on brute force (see what I did there?), they'd rather rush into battle and let their stamina save them. it's always been this way, and dont tell me bungie can fix it (because it'd make as much sense as saying "lets make hunters weaker but give them energy shields" or "make jackals invulnerable to headshot, have 20 times their health and make them tougher than hunters". rechargeable energy shields and covers aren't the way brutes fight.....unlike elites and spartans who have "normal" health and actually take cover if they want to live. so it's more sensed to stick with them rather than break the lore.


Elites are tactical strategic soldiers that know how to take cover and flank enemies using grunts. Yet in MM most of the biggest idiots and noobs play as elites. (You know the reputation of the dinos) So why would it matter?

Master Chief is suppose to be legendary, defeating covenant forces with ease, and yet I always see people in lone wolves/rumble pit wearing mark VI with default green that can't even aim with an AR.

And as for the brutes rushing into battle like idiots, blame the AIs.

  • 09.04.2009 10:02 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real


dunno about him, but in my case, I'm 1 an elite fan... >.> so it's obvious I won't like brutes, and 2, they wouldn't fit in mp. I can't accept the idea of having a giant monkey with shields.

also, it wouldn't even fit, story-wise. I know mp is not cannon... but BRUTES (read the name again : "brute") rely on brute force (see what I did there?), they'd rather rush into battle and let their stamina save them. it's always been this way, and dont tell me bungie can fix it (because it'd make as much sense as saying "lets make hunters weaker but give them energy shields" or "make jackals invulnerable to headshot, have 20 times their health and make them tougher than hunters". rechargeable energy shields and covers aren't the way brutes fight.....unlike elites and spartans who have "normal" health and actually take cover if they want to live. so it's more sensed to stick with them rather than break the lore.


Notice that this is Multiplayer, not Single Player. That means PLAYERS will be able to control the Brute, not the AI.
Well Brutes had energy sheilds to begin with. And it doesn't make sence giving a Hunter energy sheilds when they didn't and making a Jackal have an invulnerablility to headshots and have more health than a Hunter wouldn't make sence, Single Player and Multiplayer wise. I understand what you are saying, but the Brutes and the Elites role in SP was the same; stronger and more deadlier than a Jackal, Drone or a Grunt, but weaker and less deadly than a Hunter.

PLEASE read my post on page 5. I feel intimidated that no one opposed to Brutes in Multiplayer has actually tried to argue with my statements.

  • 09.04.2009 10:02 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real


dunno about him, but in my case, I'm 1 an elite fan... >.> so it's obvious I won't like brutes, and 2, they wouldn't fit in mp. I can't accept the idea of having a giant monkey with shields.

also, it wouldn't even fit, story-wise. I know mp is not cannon... but BRUTES (read the name again : "brute") rely on brute force (see what I did there?), they'd rather rush into battle and let their stamina save them. it's always been this way, and dont tell me bungie can fix it (because it'd make as much sense as saying "lets make hunters weaker but give them energy shields" or "make jackals invulnerable to headshot, have 20 times their health and make them tougher than hunters". rechargeable energy shields and covers aren't the way brutes fight.....unlike elites and spartans who have "normal" health and actually take cover if they want to live. so it's more sensed to stick with them rather than break the lore.


Notice that this is Multiplayer, not Single Player. That means PLAYERS will be able to control the Brute, not the AI.
Well Brutes had energy sheilds to begin with. And it doesn't make sence giving a Hunter energy sheilds when they didn't and making a Jackal have an invulnerablility to headshots and have more health than a Hunter wouldn't make sence, Single Player and Multiplayer wise. I understand what you are saying, but the Brutes and the Elites role in SP was the same; stronger and more deadlier than a Jackal, Drone or a Grunt, but weaker and less deadly than a Hunter.

PLEASE read my post on page 5. I feel intimidated that no one opposed to Brutes in Multiplayer has actually tried to argue with my statements.


Obviously you already won and there is nothing else that could be said to oppose your opinion.

GG Everyone, we should do this again next week.

  • 09.04.2009 10:09 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Senior Mythic Member

Proud frenchie, elite fan, anthro artist not hellbent on yiff convention/pics/whatever, mature and intelligent forum guy, 4chaner, halo 2 lover and halo 3 hater.

Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real


dunno about him, but in my case, I'm 1 an elite fan... >.> so it's obvious I won't like brutes, and 2, they wouldn't fit in mp. I can't accept the idea of having a giant monkey with shields.

also, it wouldn't even fit, story-wise. I know mp is not cannon... but BRUTES (read the name again : "brute") rely on brute force (see what I did there?), they'd rather rush into battle and let their stamina save them. it's always been this way, and dont tell me bungie can fix it (because it'd make as much sense as saying "lets make hunters weaker but give them energy shields" or "make jackals invulnerable to headshot, have 20 times their health and make them tougher than hunters". rechargeable energy shields and covers aren't the way brutes fight.....unlike elites and spartans who have "normal" health and actually take cover if they want to live. so it's more sensed to stick with them rather than break the lore.


Notice that this is Multiplayer, not Single Player. That means PLAYERS will be able to control the Brute, not the AI.
Well Brutes had energy sheilds to begin with. And it doesn't make sence giving a Hunter energy sheilds when they didn't and making a Jackal have an invulnerablility to headshots and have more health than a Hunter wouldn't make sence, Single Player and Multiplayer wise. I understand what you are saying, but the Brutes and the Elites role in SP was the same; stronger and more deadlier than a Jackal, Drone or a Grunt, but weaker and less deadly than a Hunter.

PLEASE read my post on page 5. I feel intimidated that no one opposed to Brutes in Multiplayer has actually tried to argue with my statements.


well, since you understood my point (you reworded it well btw), then I still don't understand why brutes could ever be in mp.
elites and spartans have the same strength physically, same abilities, and they fight in the same fashion, they assume the same role. sure, you could just change the skin of an elite and replace it with a brute's... but if you go that way, you can also include jackals, marines and odsts in mp, if it's only a matter of skin (literally, since WE are assuming the role of the AI). I can't imagine seeing brutes or whatever else in mp. the mp is not cannon but still kind of follows the story, and brutes don't have the same role than elites and spartans.

I read your post on page 5 (aswell as your "cheerleader" complaint), but I don't respond to it... mainly because it's an argument with overlord, not me :)

[Edited on 09.04.2009 10:16 AM PDT]

  • 09.04.2009 10:16 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Senior Mythic Member

Proud frenchie, elite fan, anthro artist not hellbent on yiff convention/pics/whatever, mature and intelligent forum guy, 4chaner, halo 2 lover and halo 3 hater.

Posted by: YumBuscuitMan

Im not angry, lol. Don't try and make this personal and stay on topic. I prefer Elites over Brutes personally. *Note the Avatar of Nthro Sraom or whatever*

1. You should be ashamed of yourself asking me to go to the halo 3 forums and make a poll, you know its -blam!- state.

I love how you have the balls to speak for the ENTIRE Halo Community, acting as if every single word you say is 100% Accurate. Your words don't speak for everyone... and no biased forum poll on Halo 3 will prove you right. I'll save myself some time and not bother with your ridiculous retort.

2. Again, you know about as much about Project Reach as the average ape. You have no clue how many staff members are working on Reach, The only thing you know is that its an FPS, and adding a Brute Skin will take more work. Don't give crap about some deadline... I don't know if you've noticed... But Duke Nukem Forever has yet to be released.

You don't even care about the quality of work, you just have some sort of innate hatred for a fictional race of creatures. Your excuses are always the same thing... THEY DON'T HAVE TIME, PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEM, I KNOW CAUSE I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. Your like Southern Folk back in the old days, afraid of change.

3. You are an idiot, rofl. If they ever make Brutes in MP then no -blam!- they'll be in Campaign as enemies as well. Thats a no brainer. I never said Bungie will make a model for brutes exclusively for MP instead of Campaign.

4. Thank you for backing me up, with the new graphical enhancement, no doubt they will work on the image of brutes. They already started in halo 2-3. Eliminating brutes will give a feeling of absence that just wouldn't work.

I mean what would Brutes be doing in the battle of one of the UNSC's most powerful military colonies? Supporting the Covenant? Or sitting in the sidelines?

yes. less perms for elites and spartans. and the fact it basically is fanservice on a minority scale... apart from a few thousand players (ouf of the hundreds thousands), nobody would like it or play with them.
and, lastly, because if they're not in SP, then they won't be in MM either.

and I believe overlord meant "dont say "no" to us (me/zorgy) and then walk away"


Im sure lots of other people in this forum can make estimations as well.


1 - lucky for me you didn't respond *rolls eyes*
2- ... DNF? I'm not even going to bother. it's like talking to wall. except that the wall listens and isn't hellbent on his arguments. nor he insults me.
3- sure. a game is built around mp. they think 'hey guys, lets map a GRATE mp game, then lets build a campaign with it." it sure works that way. totally.

  • 09.04.2009 10:20 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: iMatt360z
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: SpecOps1491
you are probably one of these guys who thinks halo is real


dunno about him, but in my case, I'm 1 an elite fan... >.> so it's obvious I won't like brutes, and 2, they wouldn't fit in mp. I can't accept the idea of having a giant monkey with shields.

also, it wouldn't even fit, story-wise. I know mp is not cannon... but BRUTES (read the name again : "brute") rely on brute force (see what I did there?), they'd rather rush into battle and let their stamina save them. it's always been this way, and dont tell me bungie can fix it (because it'd make as much sense as saying "lets make hunters weaker but give them energy shields" or "make jackals invulnerable to headshot, have 20 times their health and make them tougher than hunters". rechargeable energy shields and covers aren't the way brutes fight.....unlike elites and spartans who have "normal" health and actually take cover if they want to live. so it's more sensed to stick with them rather than break the lore.


Notice that this is Multiplayer, not Single Player. That means PLAYERS will be able to control the Brute, not the AI.
Well Brutes had energy sheilds to begin with. And it doesn't make sence giving a Hunter energy sheilds when they didn't and making a Jackal have an invulnerablility to headshots and have more health than a Hunter wouldn't make sence, Single Player and Multiplayer wise. I understand what you are saying, but the Brutes and the Elites role in SP was the same; stronger and more deadlier than a Jackal, Drone or a Grunt, but weaker and less deadly than a Hunter.

PLEASE read my post on page 5. I feel intimidated that no one opposed to Brutes in Multiplayer has actually tried to argue with my statements.


well, since you understood my point (you reworded it well btw), then I still don't understand why brutes could ever be in mp.
elites and spartans have the same strength physically, same abilities, and they fight in the same fashion, they assume the same role. sure, you could just change the skin of an elite and replace it with a brute's... but if you go that way, you can also include jackals, marines and odsts in mp, if it's only a matter of skin (literally, since WE are assuming the role of the AI). I can't imagine seeing brutes or whatever else in mp. the mp is not cannon but still kind of follows the story, and brutes don't have the same role than elites and spartans.

I read your post on page 5 (aswell as your "cheerleader" complaint), but I don't respond to it... mainly because it's an argument with D0nald Duck, not me :)


In Single Player and in the books, I agree that the Elites and the SPARTANs are equally matched; but this is Multiplayer. That means EVERYONE is equal; MELEE is equal, HEALTH is equal, etc.


I'm NOT saying that you should simply change the skin of an Elite with a Brute! I'm saying you should CHANGE the Brute to fit multiplayer purposes, to make it more EQUAL. That means you don't have to include Jackals, ODSTs, and Marines in MP, simply because of their role in SP. And THAT MEANS we don't have to see Hunters and Grunts with energy sheilds walking around Multiplayer.

Oh, and uh.. see what I did thar?

(Cheerleader..thingy \:)

  • 09.04.2009 10:32 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

1 - lucky for me you didn't respond *rolls eyes*
2- ... DNF? I'm not even going to bother. it's like talking to wall. except that the wall listens and isn't hellbent on his arguments. nor he insults me.
3- sure. a game is built around mp. they think 'hey guys, lets map a GRATE mp game, then lets build a campaign with it." it sure works that way. totally.


Two skins. A normal one for Campaign thats canon. And a scaled down version for Multiplayer equalization that has the same hitbox as spartans/elites. Its not mission impossible, but for some reason you act as if it will take too much manpower and destroy the game.

[Edited on 09.04.2009 10:39 AM PDT]

  • 09.04.2009 10:37 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Senior Mythic Member

Proud frenchie, elite fan, anthro artist not hellbent on yiff convention/pics/whatever, mature and intelligent forum guy, 4chaner, halo 2 lover and halo 3 hater.

EXACTLY, we're getting there.

the brutes would (obviously) need to be CHANGED, so they can get into mp. so if brutes are CHANGED, why wouldn't bungie consider adding marines too? just change them a bit, add shields, and tada!

so, why would there be BRUTES instead of, lets say, ODST?
bungie just copy/pastes elites and spartans from sp to mp. brutes would need changes, and that's another con to adding them in mp.
so, having brutes makes as much sense as having marines or anything as tall as a spartan in mp.

  • 09.04.2009 10:43 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: z0rgy
EXACTLY, we're getting there.

the brutes would (obviously) need to be CHANGED, so they can get into mp. so if brutes are CHANGED, why wouldn't bungie consider adding marines too? just change them a bit, add shields, and tada!

so, why would there be BRUTES instead of, lets say, ODST?
bungie just copy/pastes elites and spartans from sp to mp. brutes would need changes, and that's another con to adding them in mp.
so, having brutes makes as much sense as having marines or anything as tall as a spartan in mp.


Brutes had sheilds. ODSTs don't.
Brutes role in single player is almost identical to the Elites.
There is no character that has the same role as MCs.
That's why Brutes should be in Multiplayer with minimal changes.
Having characters like the ODSTs in multiplayer would be obsurd considering that you could just do the same with any other character such as a Grunt or a Jackal.

  • 09.04.2009 10:49 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Why would we have to put an emphasis on Marines? It'll be like futuristic COD. When it comes to squad on squad battles. Marines are basically the same as grunts except they are a bit better. They can hold many weapons, take cover, and throw grenades. But overall, to an elite/brute, they're no big threat.

The main threats in the battlefield are Spartans, Elites, Brutes, and Hunters. And lets face it, nobody wants to be a slow hunter that can get killed by a few easy grenade sticks.

So now we have Spartans, Elites, and Brutes. We already have Spartans and Elites in Matchmaking. So why not fill the void for the brutes? You had to fight Elites in Halo 2 campaign and you had to fight elites in Halo 2 multiplayer. Why couldn't they do the same thing for Halo 3? Time, and they were still focusing on changing the brutes entirely from halo 2.

Now they can finally be able to make Brutes playable in MM, so I say why not?

Halo CE- Spartans + Colours
Halo 2- Spartans + Elites + colours+ Secondary Colours
Halo 3- Spartans + Elites + Colours + Secondary Colours + Armor Perms
Reach- Spartans + Elites + Brutes + Colours + Secondary Colours + Armor Perms.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? *Twirls Fake Mustache*

[Edited on 09.04.2009 11:05 AM PDT]

  • 09.04.2009 10:55 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Revival.

  • 09.04.2009 4:01 PM PDT